Observations: Daytona
Tuesday, March 12, 2013 | 5:45 PM
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The Daytona Supercross by Honda (Honda’s done a good job in locking this thing down for, seriously, the last 22 years. Glad to see it happening, but the big green claw seems to be more and more involved with Daytona every year. Get the checkbook out Honda, they’re coming for you!) is a unique race for so many reasons and I hope most of you dear readers know why it is so different. It’s Daytona man, there’s nothing else to say.
And as I wrote in Going for the W on Saturday morning HERE this race almost needs to be divided into two races. Like a Daytona I.D. (in the daytime) and a Daytona A.N. (at night) so for example, when discussing Ricky Carmichael one could say “RC won Daytona I.D. and A.N. which proves he’s a bad ass” or you could sit around with some buddies and ponder, “Man, I wonder if Mike Kiedrowski would have won Daytona A.N.?” because there’s so much different from Daytona pre-2004.
The track’s different, the time of day is different, the format is different; it’s really not comparable to the old Daytona in any way, other than the soil quality and the cranky security guards. As a mechanic back in the day for Daytona I.D., it was a tough, tough race that taxed your bike and the rider’s body. And while it’s still a tough race, in many ways it’s much easier. So, one of my questions to a lot of the old-timers that were there was, “Which Daytona (I.D. or A.N.) do you prefer? Surprisingly, a lot of the old timers think it’s better now. Not as dangerous, a better built track and a better format according to the guys I spoke to. One of the guys that did like it the old way? Jeff Stanton. Shocking, eh?
Daytona is a unique experience.
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By the way, if you ask the Speedway people promoting the race, I have no doubt they would take Daytona A.N. because opening up the tarmac (for an extra ten bucks) and holding the race at night has increased the attendance by, I’d say, 50 percent. The stands and NASCAR track are full. Huge crowd. No doubt about it, the people are coming out in way bigger numbers than Daytona I.D..
The track itself was designed by Ricky Carmichael and it was the same as last year because, well, it poured last year and the track was a mess. So this year we got to see RC’s vision in full effect, as the weather was perfect. The track was tough. It developed its usual chuck holes, braking bumps and ruts along the way, but it also had a lot of jumps in it and there wasn’t really anywhere for the guys to rest. There was always something there to challenge the racers, and all in all it was a good track. I’ve been going on and on about the tracks these past few weeks, but I liked this one because there were a couple things that only the elite riders could do. That made it cool.
Most of us thought that either Ryan Villopoto or James Stewart would win Daytona this weekend and most of us were proven right when Villopoto passed early leader Ken Roczen (??!?) and took off for a nice win. When I asked about the track and if he had any sketchy moments out there Villopoto replied, “It’s Daytona, if you don’t have any sketchy moments, you’re not pushing it out there.” That’s the truth. Even with his great ride, this one didn’t come easy. He made a mistake early in the race, panic revved his way out of a crash and had Ryan Dungey quietly sneak up to him three-quarters of the way through the race. Villopoto used his fifth win in ten races to grab the points lead over Davi Millsaps, who had a poor race. Ten weeks ago RV was twenty points behind Millsaps. It’s taken some time, but he’s now two points up with seven races left. I don’t see him letting this thing go either, as he’s won three out of the last four races. It’s taken a while longer than most of us thought it would, but Villopoto is heating up.
After the race, Villopoto mentioned that he and Dungey thought that the lighting was tough out there, and there were a lot of dark spots. Then he mentioned it again on Monday’s Pulpmx Show. So clearly, it was a factor and upon watching the GoPro footage HERE, you can really see that RV’s concern was correct. It was dark out there. I recommend watching these GoPro videos after each race. I don’t really watch any of the videos (I’m in the minority in this, I know) out there on the internet, but the GoPro stuff is must-see TV.
Villopoto celebrated his win in classic Daytona fashion.
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I was worried a bit about Ryan Dungey going into the main event. He didn’t qualify that well and his bike setup didn’t look that great to me, but as usual, Dungey fought through all that to put in a nice second-place ride. The Dungenator almost bought the farm over the bars at one point in the main but in typical fast-guy fashion, he saved it, slammed on the brakes and still made the inside of the next turn. I’d have been thanking Jesus and probably would have stopped right there if I was Dungey but this move didn’t even faze him. He just motored on. Dungey’s third in the points and he’s his usual fast and consistent self this season.
Hey by the way, Dungey’s contract is up this year but there hasn’t been much of a peep of him shopping around. I would imagine that he’s looking to stay at KTM for his next deal, and why not? The switch to orange has definitely worked out for him and for the team.
One rider that is definitely on the market is GEICO’s Eli Tomac. It was thought to be a done deal that he would stay at GEICO and be the team’s next Kevin Windham (as in, a long-term 450 guy). But it clearly isn’t done and Tomac is out there shopping around. He’s going to the 450 class next year (and possibly this year for the outdoors), and if the word on the street is to be believed, he’s got a test ride lined up on an RCH Suzuki this week or next. There’s also a rumor that Monster Energy Kawasaki is talking to him, as they might add a third rider for 2014. And of course, there’s a great chance he stays on with GEICO Honda. No matter which way you slice it, Eli Tomac’s life is pretty good right now.
And as long as we’re talking about Tomac, he just couldn’t get the new fangled air forks working for him on the bigger 450 and ditched them at Daytona in favor of the good ol’ spring fork, a decision he says he’s very happy with. It showed on the track, and as the third race of his four-race 450SX stint was by far his best race. He started outside the top ten and worked his way up to fourth, right on Justin Barcia for third, before spinning out and settling for fourth. Tomac was very good at Daytona. He charged the whole race and those people that were quietly whispering, “See, the kid isn’t that good,” should maybe pipe down a bit. His speed has been great, he just hasn’t put it all together. But at Daytona, he did.
Speaking of people that “whisper” things, I heard someone tell me, in regards to a conversation that we were having about Dean Wilson stepping up to a 450, that Justin Barcia was struggling. Man, I’d love to “struggle” like that. One race win, three other podiums, sixth in the points – all in your first year in the 450 class! In Daytona, Justin rode well to a heat race win and a third in the main event. He didn’t have anything for Villopoto and Dungey, but he had plenty for the rest of the class.
Dungey would take second behind Villopoto.
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Before Daytona, Trey Canard came down and spent the week at Barcia’s house in Florida getting ready for Daytona. I’m not sure if it helped or not, but with Daytona A.N., most guys kept their usual supercross settings. Still, it’s always good to bond with your team and Florida is a beautiful place this time of year.
Before 250 east kicked off, it was assumed that Wil Hahn and Marvin Musquin would both be getting their first career wins this year. For Hahn, it’s been a great start to the Eastern Regional 250SX series. For Marvin, not so much. Yeah, going into Daytona he was fourth in points, but he just wasn’t up there with the leaders. He’s had speed, but his starts and opening laps have really hurt him through the first three rounds. But in Daytona, it all came together as Marvin pulled a start that racers can only dream of and led the rest of the way for his first career 250SX win. After the race he told me that he was going no matter what, and it was either holeshot or get stuck in the gate. Well Marvin, good guess because it was a huge holie as the gate fell right at the moment he decided he was going. It was a picture perfect ride from Moose-can. Now we have yet another guy that’s now on a roll in the 250SX class.
What’s going on with Dean Wilson? The Pro Circuit rider was widely expected to be the man this series but we’re four rounds deep and he only has one win. The other two losses to Wil Hahn can be explained and understood because his starts weren’t good, but in Daytona, Wilson just didn’t get it done. He was the fastest man in practice, he won his heat and got into second behind Marvin early on in the main, which was all great. What he did around halfway was not. Wilson just faded backward, making some mistakes along the way and dropped to fourth by race’s end. It was SO not like Dean. I don’t even know what happened. I went to go interview team owner Mitch Payton afterward but Bones Bacon, head suspension guru over there, suggested that perhaps it wasn’t a good time. I don’t know what happened and I know I’m painting it out to be a disaster, but all in all, he’s only five points out of the lead with five races remaining. If he goes on to win this thing, no one will remember this Daytona race. But if he doesn’t…
Let’s take a look at the results shall we?
Where will Tomac head next year?
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250SX
1. Marvin Musquin Corona, CA KTM 250 SX-F- Nice old-school heel clicker over the finish. Somewhere in Southern California, there was a French guy nicknamed Le Cobra that was smiling and nodding.
2. Wil Hahn Decatur, TX Honda CRF 250- Hahn had a strong race and stretched his points lead over Wilson. We thought he could possibly do this but even his team is surprised with these results. He’s just been solid every single week. The real test will come when he doesn’t get a good start. What will he do then? We know he’s in shape and limiting the damage is always key in any series. On another note, it’s nice to see him dedicating this season to all the Honda Ridgeline owners of America.
3. Jeremy Martin Millville, MN Yamaha YZ250F- Martin had a nice ride as he came from the back (yet again) to get his first career podium. Nice to see, as Martin’s one guy that we thought would be capable of breaking up this podium group (Wilson, Hahn, Musquin, Blake Wharton) that we’ve been seeing in this class. He did it the very next week after we’d been talking about it.
4. Dean Wilson Wesley Chapel, FL Kawasaki KX 250F
5. Blake Wharton Pilot Point, TX Suzuki RM-Z250 – Wharton didn’t get the start and that was it. He spent the rest of the race just working up, but he’s not good enough to give up that much time to the top guys and still reel them in. He’s better than all the other kids in the class and can catch them, but not the top guys.
6. Justin Hill Yoncalla, OR Kawasaki KX 250F- A nice result for Hill, who rode well.
7. Kyle Peters Greensboro, NC Honda CRF 250- This was a big week for Peters. He’s been a surprise this season but he didn’t qualify last week, which was a bit of an upset. He needed a good result to show that he was for real, and a seventh is nice to see. Peters has been solid.
8. Zackery Freeberg Riverview, FL Honda CRF 250- Nice ride by Freeberg. He’s getting some tips and advice from the great Tim Ferry, so there’s that.
9. Cole Thompson Brigden, Canada Honda CRF 250- The Canadian has had two nice races in a row after a rough start to the season. And this week he came from eighteenth! This was a great ride, I texted his brother after practice to tell him I thought Cole’s suspension looked way too soft out there but clearly, what do I know?
10. Vince Friese Cape Girardeau, MO Honda CRF 250- C’mon Vince, it’s the heat race and you’re safely in position to qualify with one turn left to go and you take Gavin Faith way too high in the berm and knock him over? There’s no money, points or anything on the line and it’s the last turn. Really? Really?
11. Mitchell Oldenburg Alvord, TX Honda CRF 250
12. James Decotis Peabody, MA Honda CRF 250- Jimmy D had a great heat race but fell in the main event while running seventh, prompting all of New England to shed a tear. I think I saw Brotocross use a whole box of tissues.
13. Peter Larsen Menifee, CA Yamaha YZ250- Yes, this is PJ Larsen. Despite it saying Peter right there.
14. A J Catanzaro Portland, CT Kawasaki KX 250F- That’s two weeks in a row I’ve recommended Catanzaro for a sleeper fantasy moto pick and two weeks in a row that my pick has been laughed at. Look, people, these are good rides!
15. Lance Vincent Youngsville, LA KTM 250 SX-F- Vincent’s starts weren’t there this weekend. He’s got to go looking everywhere for them this week.
16. Brady Kiesel Fort Worth, TX Yamaha YZ250
17. Daniel Herrlein Bethesda, OH Honda CRF 250
18. Zachary Bell Cairo, GA Honda CRF 250- Rough night for Bell, as a couple of crashes sent him back. Yeah, again. I don’t know man, if I were the GEICO guys (and I’ve spoken with them about it and they don’t agree with me) I’d think about using the old Jason Anderson plan and perhaps send Bell home until the outdoors. These young kids are like delicate flowers and you have to be careful to not ruin them. Bell’s been crashing a bunch and things are just starting to snowball for him, and not in a good way. I spoke to manager Mike LaRocco after the race and he said that he’d rather have a guy like Bell, who he has to pull back because he’s got the speed, than try to inject speed into a guy. That’s a good point, and he knows him better than I do, but if this debacle of a season continues like it's been going, there's a chance Bell could be ruined mentally.
19. Gavin Faith Fort Dodge, IA Honda CRF 250- Faith hurt his shoulder in the crash with Friese in the heat and called it a night in the main because holding onto the bars on that rough track was getting to be tough. Bummer for Gavin.
20. Shawn Rife Mechanicsburg, OH Honda CRF 250- Someone needs to break down the number of finishes to the number of DNF’s that Rife has had in his pro career. The dude’s fast but he just cannot, for whatever reason, finish a race. Ask any fantasy moto player out there. They’ll tell ya.
This start by Musquin helped him capture his first career SX race.
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450SX
1. Ryan Villopoto Seattle, WA Kawasaki KX 450F
2. Ryan Dungey Belle Plaine, MN KTM 450 SX-F- Don’t you feel like Dungey is just lurking there, doing his thing and if something happens to RV, he’ll be there to win this thing?
3. Justin Barcia Pinetta, FL Honda CRF 450- I’m not feeling the A-Star gear. I loved it on Alessi and Musquin the last few years but I don’t know, it’s just not that special this year. Is this just me? Does anyone else feel this way?
4. Eli Tomac Cortez, CO Honda CRF 450
5. Chad Reed Dade City, FL Honda CRF 450- Reed won’t be happy but he rode a great race. He achieved this result with one crash and showed great speed in practice and in the main. It was a tough night for TwoTwo and he probably deserved better. On track walk he told me that he wished every supercross could be like Daytona and that all the Nationals could be like Redbud.
6. Trey Canard Shawnee, OK Honda CRF 450- A decent night for Trey and what about that save in the heat race? C’mon, that was ridiculous. A massive air wheelie, into the next lane and right back again was something special. That was insane and I’m glad it worked out okay. It could’ve been disaster.
7. Ken Roczen Murrieta, CA KTM 350 SX-F- Great ride for Roczen on ‘ze 350. He led the heat and the main! That’s pretty cool, and although he was bummed after the race, I thought he did fine. He got the same result he scored last year but this year, he did it with flash.
8. James Stewart Haines City, FL Suzuki RM-Z450- Daytona’s a special place for Stewie. We’ve seen a lot of magic, speed and some BIG crashes from James at the speedway. In a sense, he’s delivered for all of us, both good and bad, over the years. This year, Stewart showed some magic in tripling a rhythm lane that no one else I saw do and was his usual fast self in practice. But he didn’t get the start he needed, went down after that and it was over from there. Bummer bro, I was expecting some RV/JS magic on Saturday night. After the race, Stew Tweeted that his bike setup was off. He went with the wrong front tire and took the blame.
9. Broc Tickle Holly, MI Suzuki RM-Z450- Tickle was Tickle. He wasn’t great but he wasn’t bad. He was just there. A ninth is about what he’s been doing all year and that’s not bad, but hasn’t taken “the leap” like some people thought he would.
10. David Millsaps Murrieta, CA Suzuki RM-Z450- Millsaps’ worst result of the year (with one crash) and he told me that he hurt his knee on Wednesday before Daytona. Let’s hope it’s nothing too serious. Davi’s got to get some of his mojo back after two subpar races.
11. Matthew Goerke Lake Helen, FL KTM 450 SX-F- This is where Goerke and Tickle differ. They battle every week and are right by each other a lot, but Matt’s been a surprise and Broc’s been just okay. Different expectations I suppose.
12. Andrew Short Smithville, TX KTM 450 SX-F- Short didn’t have a good race and I’m guessing that the KTM setup wasn’t on point this weekend for him. Having his finger broken by Tickle in the heat probably wasn’t ideal, either.
13. Jake Weimer Rupert, ID Kawasaki KX 450F- Weimer’s struggling to get that “edge” back after missing some races due to injury. He’s frustrated right now (after the race he didn’t want to do an interview with me because he had “nothing” to say about his race, but he relented as long as we didn’t talk about his race, which made for the weirdest interview ever) but he’ll be all right. It’s just going to take some time.
14. Les Smith York, SC KTM 450 SX-F- Les is back in the main and a fourteenth is a good result for him. Les is a good dude. He tries hard and is one of those guys in the pits that’s out of the spotlight, but he’s a good rider.
15. Joshua Hill Yoncalla, OR Suzuki RM-Z450
16. Mike Alessi Hilliard, FL Suzuki RM-Z450- Tough night for the 800 as he had to go to the LCQ and then from there, he was off the track in the first turn and fighting the whole way.
17. Ben LaMay Wasilla, AK Yamaha YZ450F- LaMay made his third main of the year after a good heat race ride.
18. Weston Peick Wildomar, CA Suzuki RM-Z450- After all that drama, Peick’s bike broke in the main. Maybe it was mad at being kicked off its stand and decided to get even? Just saying. Can you tell I was once a mechanic?
19. Phillip Nicoletti Bethel, NY Yamaha YZ450F- Step one for Filthy- get into the main events. Step two- finish them. Filthy is still working on step two but he’ll get there.
20. Justin Brayton Cornelius, NC Yamaha YZ450F- JB10 crashed early in the main and knocked his head a bit. He’ll be fine but that was it for Brayton, who’s a huge NASCAR fan and I’m sure he wanted to do well at historic International Daytona Speedway.
Some other news and notes from Daytona
- Privateer Ryan Smith was out there on a YZ250 two-stroke racing around. Some fans cheered him, which is all well and good, but that doesn’t get him any of the cash as he failed to make the night show. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I always wonder why dudes show up on these things when it’s clearly disadvantageous out there. Like, why bother?
- Once again Shift knocked it out of the park with some new gear debuted by Chad Reed. It was a simple theme with nice colors and it flowed nicely. I’m not sure what Shift did but the shift (get it?) from the gear that had the hideous flaming skulls on it to what they’re doing now is more drastic than Meg Griffin pre and post face surgery. Shift’s got it going on right now and no, I’m not just saying that because Beeker got me a free backpack.
Yeah, the Peick and Kiniry battle was that close!
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- Some controversy in the 450SX LCQ where Bobby Kiniry and Weston Peick once again went at it in a great race (maybe the best one of the year), with Peick getting beat for the final transfer spot according to the transponder pickup at the bottom of the jump. But, according to the three AMA scorers, Peick ended up getting the win at the top of the finish line, where the official scoring is. We saw this exact same thing last year with, funny enough, Peick and Faith, where Faith was given the win for edging out Peick at the top of the jump. I had never seen this before last year and now, I’ve seen it twice and with the same rider. Weird right? Anyway, Peick got the spot after review by the AMA. Kiniry and his team were of course upset, but it looked to me like they got it right, as Kiniry seemed to slow a bit up the face of the finish line double. No matter what the deal was, these two warriors put on a great show.
Afterward the SPEED TV cameras showed an angry Peick (he hadn’t yet been told that he had actually gotten the spot) kicking his bike’s rear tire, which caused it to topple on the ground. I’m not sure whether Weston meant to kick his bike over or not, but he didn’t exactly leap up and pick it up as it lay there on the concrete. I’m fine with a dude being upset and showing emotion but you can’t kick your bike over. It’s not a good look for Weston or for his sponsors in my opinion. Yeah, he didn’t think the camera was on him but you’ve got to be aware that you could be being watched by a camera or perhaps a future team manager. As a former mechanic, I’ve seen plenty of helmets being tossed, doors being slammed and gloves being thrown, but it’s all happened inside the truck away from the public. I like Weston. He’s a good dude and he issued an apology that we posted on Racer X afterward, but I didn’t like that move one bit. Reminded me of Heath Voss on factory Yamaha hitting his bike with a hammer over and over at Millville one year. No, he didn’t get a ride the next year.
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I think Dungey will finish out his career with Roger, or until Roger retires. Roger did the unthinkable And had Ryan a chance, which he turned into a championship winner.
Without roger taking that risk, Ryan would be working at Target in Minnesota. I know Ryan ha paid roger back by bringing him championships, but it seems to me like those two just work well together like Jeremy McGrath/skip Norfolk. Don't untie a winning combo..
Tomac should move to KTM. The best thing that could happen for us consumers, is to watch KTM be one dominant. Then the slopes would need to beef up to good parts on the jap bikes.
Just look at a stock KTM!! It's top of the line everything.. Brembo, renthal, DID etc.. Pretty sweet machines. Competition would hopefully bring the price down, especially on that 250SX I've been eyeballing.
James Stewart needs something, I don't know what.. But he needs someone to light his pilot light. How we used to bashing him for riding over his head, now I think it's WORSE that's he's riding so conservative!!
It seems ridiculous that Peick is getting more grief for kicking HIS bike than James Stewart has for ALL the bikes he's kicked over (that were NOT his)
Nealio. Your an idiot for that comment.
I hope everyone reads Matthes' articles with an open mind. While he obviously has knowledge of the workings of MX/SX, its history, and a unique insider perspective, he seems to twist details to fit his stories.
During his weekly podcast, a Yamaha/JGR topic came up. He Blurted out that J-bone "Refused" to go on his show last night. Later he said that J-bone didn't return his call. There is a HUGE difference between the two. Makes me question everything that he relays from his interactions.
Did Bones at PC really tell him that it wasn't a good time to chat with the PC crew? Probably, but we don't know for sure. Makes a good story.
I know he has a lot of good material. I read and listen to most of it. There is a lot of crap tied into the content if you listen.
musquin 350? no , unbelievable start
I like that Peick actualy showed some emotion; don't be such a sissy Matthes. Heck, I'd donate a few bucks if he has a Paypal account for micro-sponsors.
The Present:
Villopoto and Dungey are both amazing athletes and riders! The old saying "When the going gets tough, the tough get going" applies with the Two Ryans! RV may be a little faster and better passer due to being more aggressive, while RD seems more unflappable and consistent, even though Roger says Dungey is a worrier. No matter who you like better, your cheering for a deserving champion and good ambassador for our sport..
The Future:
Barcia and Tomac in a few years, may be the next Two Ryans, difference being, they are not named Ryan and both of these guys will be aggressive. While Justin may hold an edge in Supercross, Eli takes it back on the Motocross track. The future of our sport will be in good hands with these two alpha dogs fighting it out each season..
The Past:
Reed and Stewart are both still fast enough to win and have amazing talent on a motorcycle, but time is not on their side. Age may add wisdom and cunning, but it takes away the will to ride on the edge and the ability to bounce back up from those hard hits. I was not a big fan of either of these guys while they were young due to their brash attitudes, but now, I like and respect them both, as time and maturity has down sized their ego.
The Daytona Supercross was so good, I never missed the Monster girls..wonder if that means I am getting old???
Tell 'em, Nealio. @Preston, that's on the REALIO.
Leave it to the flaming Liberal to whine about a grown man expressing anger about losing. He didn't attack or berate another rider, he didn't endanger anyone... all he did was kick over his racing bike which he owns. Go back to Canada with your spineless fat-ass crap and stop torturing us with this crap you call a career.
Hey Steve,
About Zach Bell your an F-ing idiot !
@nealio I agree. Not a stupid comment. Maybe other folks don't realize you're referencing Stewart kicking over Reeds bike in the pits. Now, that's being a poor sport.
But when you are Mr Wonderful and your fans are blind to most of your games, It's all good.
I say Stewie switched the tire on purpose so he would have an excuse to lose. Easier to say "I mad a bad choice" then "I couldn't hand on for 20 laps".
I'll bet even money he puked after his heat race. Looked like he was about to afterwards.
Friese took like 5 riders high during that heat race. AMA needs to start fining him or something so he gets the point. He's gonna take out a big name and really start drama. Feel bad for Faith
@BD25, that was superb and well stated. Nice job.
323MX. The only person that could possibly be negatively impacted by Peicks' action is his sponsors. In case you haven't noticed he has been the talk of the soundboards this week. From what I can tell, 95+% of the feedback has been positive. Do you think his sponsors have a problem with that? How much sponsor time has Kinirys' good sportsmanship gotten his sponsors?
The most negative press from this incident has come from Matthes. He is the same person who went on a rant about commentators not respecting sponsors when a rider is in the spotlight. Weston was in the spotlight (good or bad) and Matthes has gone out of his way to criticize him and eliminate the benefits to his sponsors from the incident. Another example of Matthes' biased reporting and working his personal agenda.
preston ONLY has a comment on a Stewart post, never anything else, and he says he is a "fan" of the sport!! LOL!! Yea right!!!
Its funny how Tomac couldnt get the air forks to work on the Honda either, just like Reed.. maybe they should ditch them completly.. I would be shocked if Tomac leaves Honda, but you never know.. Maybe Reed will go after him to replace himself... That would be a good fit.. But I dont see Tomac on a Suzuki, that is weird..
I may be wrong, but I don't recall Matthes being this outspoken about the Barcia incident last year when he purposely roosted an injured rider and Doc Bodner. I know he said it was bad but I don't remember him pushing the issue like this.
Come on Matthes!
Comparing Weston's outburst to the example you gave of Heath Voss, big difference!!
It's Weston's bike he owns, not a teams equipment, he was in his own pit area, the spectators where in the stands and Speed aired his dirty laundry on TV.
Boo Hoo Hoo, he kicked his bike over after traveling on his own dime from California to Florida to end up not making the main when he disagreed with the finish results. Why wouldn't he be pissed off enough to kick his rear tire to let of some steam. At least he's got enough heart to give a Sh@t. So why is this anyones business and why should Weston feel like he needs to apologize to anybody. Maybe his lever sponsors are pist and threaten to drop him if he didn't apologize, that would be a career ending sponsor loss!
Hell Bob Hannah would kicked over Howerton in the race and then say in the intervue that he'ld break his leg next time if has the chance. You would never see Hannah apologize to anyone in his day!
This is Motocross, stop trying to pussify the riders by making them feel like they have to apoligize for kicking their own bike over. The reporters hunt them down like poparazzi to get their pissed off reactions on TV for rating, then want an apology. Of course he's pissed off by not making the main by one position!!!! Politically correct BS doesn't need to be a part of our sport. This is motocross, not badmittin!
Keep up the fire Weston, at least you want to win bad enough that it pisses you off when Sh@t happens, you have the right to kick your own bike over if you want! You're not hurting anybody else or their equipment, so WTF is the big deal?
Peick doesn't care.
@323mx.
During his podcast he carried on about his mechanic days, giving him another opportunity to slip that in (as if we hadn't heard it). He expressed his opinion that "when he was a mechanic" he would be pissed if his rider kicked the bike over. He chose not to say that Peick bought his own bike and serves as his own mechanic.
I guess his dad could have been pissed since he was helping Weston at the race. Steve didn't mention that either.
As I said, it is Steves story and he tells it as he sees fit.
I never heard about the incident with Voss before. I've talked to him a few times over the years and he seems like the last guy who would go off like that. I'd be curious what lead to it.
I agree with the general consensus that I'd rather see a guy get pissed about losing than saying "Oh well, I did my best." His bike didn't' deserve to be the target of his rage, but it's not like you are thinking things through calmly and rationally when you lose your temper.
323mx. In the podcast, JT commented on how much of his own maintenance that Peick does. JT made it sound like he does his own work during the week then has someone to help at the races. It is a fact that his father was his mechanic this weekend. Not a hired mechanic. I obviously don't know all of the info but I am using the details from his own work to poke holes in Steves stories.
I don't care about kicking the bike over at all, but it is pretty damn ironic that the bike got him back in the main. Always treat your bikes well. You need them on your side when the stuff hits the fan. On the whole, I never understood taking anger for your own mistakes/failures on something else such as a bike. If he hadn't made the main, it was his own doing. On another note, how did Kiniry react after being the winner and then the loser?!
Meg Griffin? The daughter on Family Guy had surgery? Or is Matthes talking about Meg Ryan? Melanie Griffith? Kathy Griffin maybe?
Regarding Peick kicking his dirt tosser:
They should not have shown this on the broadcast. I think that this is a possible outcome of frustration in such a heated moment, in agreeance with JT$. It happens, and everyone has witnessed moments in time where somebody has acted upon emotions in a way that, maybe they didn't really think anyone would see. The camera caught this fit and displayed it to our customers and now we have the joy of benchracing about it.
It happened and has been a great conversation peice but, maybe instead of a representation of now not to deal with your anger or frustration we could show a representation that displays a better influence on the younger members of the family. It may make a difference.
I feel like somebody made the wrong decision in showing that on the broadcast. Weston is probably a little embarassed? No wait, do Nihlist get embarassed for their actions? Doubt it, he's a pretty gnarly dude.
Man did he give'er a good boot though? He was wicked pissed!
PS - I think the list for people "Re-Frieseing" Vince Friese is getting sooooo much longer. Does he even realize the chaos he causes? Maybe we should paint him up in a mexican wrestler uniform and send him out on the track as the demo man and his duty would be to take out as many riders as possible during the race? He doesn't get scored by place, he gets scored by how many riders he takes out, and is paid via performance contingency? That sounds awsome. Maybe this is the idea that Feld needs to boost audience engagment of their show? Gladiator style!
I think there are two reasons why Weston Peick's outburst doesn't bother me. First, he thought he was in private. He checked his emotions until he was out of the view of the fans in the stands, then he let his frustrations and his disappointment get the best of him. I can understand. We've all been there.
Second, Weston is an underdog. It’s not like he was a petulant factory rider kicking over his bike because he didn't get another million dollar bonus. He struggles to make the main event and earn his way to the next race. Again, I can identify with that.
I have never met Weston and I don’t know if he is a good dude or not. But, if we are talking about how this looked on TV, I think it played out well for him.
Quick side note: Matthes, I’m not sure if the actress you are referring to is Meg Ryan or Melanie Griffith, but they both would have been better off letting nature take its course.
I support PEICK 100%!!!!!!!
He is a privateer and pays his own way. He breaks it, he pays for it. Whoever is mechanic was, either a paid guy, or his dad, I doubt had a problem with what Peick did.
Just because you "were" a mechanic, doesn't mean you have and insight to what Peicks mechanics feeling were on the incident.
Oh get real, a bike falling off of a stand probably does the least amount of damage than anything that the bike goes through in a a day at an event.
There wasn't anything wrong with Weston Peick showing a little anger. Matthes you sound like a bi_ch, I hate you guys that act like your righteous and there is only one way the act. That's why you where only a mechanic and not a racer, it takes heart and desirer to race. If you didn't have it so be it, but don't put a racer on blast because he wants to be successful in his own career.
You always come with those bi_ch ass comments, but its you I guess we just have to deal with it. LAME A_ S !!!
Someone whispering about Wilson and they said Barcia is struggling.. Did they watch the event.. Barcia was riding well to a podium in the most stacked 450 class I remember... Wilson got ran down riding the best lites equipment known to man by a rookie on a privateer YZ with a carburetor... Braaaappp what's up with that .. He better get off those monster girls and hit the gym...
@pizzaconer
"Leave it to the flaming Liberal to whine about a grown man expressing anger about losing. He didn't attack or berate another rider, he didn't endanger anyone... all he did was kick over his racing bike which he owns. Go back to Canada with your spineless fat-ass crap and stop torturing us with this crap you call a career."
You should be proud of that post.......shows your character.
@ pizzacorner
please refrain from speaking down about us Canadians..you may not agree with our politics but we're nothing close to soft.
We've helped drag your American assess out of some pretty tenuous situations in the last couple of centuries! I consider Americans and Canadians pretty much one of the same.
Wfodave- you can donate to Weston, head over to ProRide and do so there.
Of course the lighting is bad for SX.
It is a stock car track.
1+1 = 2
Matthes I totally agree with you about Peick and his behavior; very immature but his apology was very mature. I am sure he just learned a valuable lesson in PR.
pizzacorner is a moron for somehow bringing a political side into the Peick dialogue. I am as conservative as you can be so my guess is he is probably a crazy libertarian. And apparently enema186 does not understand the importance of sportsmanship and maturity. Peick is not a Hannah that he can do anything he wants and still go out and win a race. He is a young rider hoping to score some sponsorships in a sport that does not have a lot of potential in that area. Peick keeps this stuff up and he will continue to travel across the country on his own dime. Ask Roger D how important it is to show class and professionalism.
Amazing that there was actually quite a bit written up about Dungey; about time.
JonR145 wrote:
@BD25, that was superb and well stated. Nice job.
Firstly, it was crap. He never even mentioned the man who will probably rule MX in the future, and secondly, I have a feeling you and BD25 are one and the same person. You've been blowing his dong on here on a regular basis over the past few weeks, even suggesting he should be hired by racerx to write stuff.
This is a comments forum, not a showcase for budding journos, and anyway, even if it was, there are a dozen people with more knowledge and who write better than him.
You can swallow hard take it out of your mouth now.
"Privateer Ryan Smith was out there on a YZ250 two-stroke racing around. Some fans cheered him, which is all well and good, but that doesn’t get him any of the cash as he failed to make the night show. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I always wonder why dudes show up on these things when it’s clearly disadvantageous out there. Like, why bother?"
Why not ? Anyone getting into a main event on a 2-stoke these days will become an instant hero of the castor oil underground, of which I am one.
They should have let Kiniry race the main event as well. Transponder says one thing and AMA officials say someting else...what is the point in having transponders then? Plus, having one more rider on the track what difference does that make. They used to have 40 riders in the main at Daytona not so long ago.
Regarding riders going off the track. does somebody know what the rule book says about that? don't they have to reenter the track where they left it? I always assumed it was the case...
Privateer Ryan Smith was out there on a YZ250 two-stroke racing around. Some fans cheered him, which is all well and good, but that doesn’t get him any of the cash as he failed to make the night show. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I always wonder why dudes show up on these things when it’s clearly disadvantageous out there. Like, why bother?
Hey Matthes, why don`t you ask Jason Thomas, Kiniry, Peick and Tyler Bowers what Florent Richier and 18 year old Dennis Ullrick on their SX 250 KTM's did to them this year in German SX? Frenchman Richier won the championship against those guys on his smoker. So much for what you know.
@pippidekok (which I assume refers to your lack of manhood), I think you have me confused with someone else. I have only posted a couple times in the last few weeks. This is the first time I recall saying much of anything about @BD25. Lastly, I think @BD25 is located in OK or TX. I live in Minnesota.
I apologize if our free speech without insults somehow violates your rules of what can or cannot be said. Silly me, I thought that was the right of Racer X.. Perhaps you should give us some guidelines on what we can or can't say. Better yet, start your own website and leave here.
JonR145-Very well put. Why he would put BD25 down escapes me. And his comment about BD and writing for Racerx Was OVERTHEHILL hilarious, as some of us here know that BD25 actually wrote not one but TWO articles for them!! LOL It always helps to have a bit of knowledge before posting, but that isn't required here. And, as I see it, tons of readers here keep asking BD for more! This is the first negative comment here I have read where BD is concerned. I actually had a phone conversation with him on Sunday to help him have a good visit come the Spring Creek round. Maybe we can all hook up for a chat? He's a good guy, as I had the pleasure of meeting him last year. The negative comments here are sometimes the most entertaining...
No confusion here JonR145. As Shakespeare once said, "Methinks he doth protest too much" LOL.
I'll be keepin an eye on you BD25........er...........JonR145..
Wowbucky394 as well? Well, howaboutthat, now ya a three headed snake? LOL
Little piperdok can we make it a political forum?? Huh?? Please can we?
I for one would love watch pizzacorner go toe to toe with realmofo. Make popcorn and watch..
Lay off JonR, pipehead, it was ME that said BD25 likes to write so they should give him a job. You got a problem with that?
Please please please let people race 250 2-strokes in the 250 class - that sure would make things fun to watch! Why can't the manufacturers let this happen? Too much $$$ to test two bikes and see which is better? Only two manufacturers of the big 5 selling 2-strokes anymore? Sorry, I realize I'm a fossil vet rider who still rides a 2-stroke, but hey....ya gotta hang on somehow!
pippideok Your right on several counts, there are many posters on here who may have retained more moto knowledge than I, plus many who express them selves better than I and this is a comments section, which is what I write, my comments. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I write, just as I don't agree with all I read.
What I won't do, is attack a rider or another poster by reverting to name calling. I learned in grade school, that does not do thing positive. We are all entitled to our own opinion and I find no need to disrespect some one who simply has a different one than I.
Now back to our discussion, who do you think will be the ruler of MX in the future?
Monster Energy Kawasaki's Report from Daytona: http://motocrossone.blogspot.de/2013/03/monster-energy-kawasaki-daytona-race.html
JonR145 Thanks for the kind words, glad you liked it and sorry it got you attacked for expressing that opinion!!
Bucky Thanks for coming to my defense, we mid westerners got to stick together!!! Talked with Sue and reservations are made..Thanks again....
RIck Thanks, always enjoy your posts and the technical knowledge you bring as a true motorhead...
@BD25. I agree with what you are saying about this being a forum for us to express our opinions and comments without being personally attacked. My opinion differs from yours in one respect. I do expect everyone to agree with what I write! Haha! Just kidding. Thanks for keeping it clean.
I enjoy debating the topics on here but would like to see more data and facts to support the opinions.
Steve "former mechanic" Matthes, you're making a big deal out of this Pieck thing.
The guy just had an emotional race, his clutch was failing him towards the end, he probably needs the main event money, he didn't appear to have the luxury of a mobile home to let off steam. He's probably not used to cameras following him anywhere. So his bike fell off the stand when he kicked the tire. Big deal. I think it's good to see how passionate these guys are in the sport.
@pippidekok, I have to admit I am a bit out of the loop. I enjoy reading comments from time to time but I still get Racer X by mail (along with 2 other publications) so I spend most time reading the publications in non-Internet format. I am probably not as up on the “current chat” as I need to be since I did not even recognize your screen name when you threw a volley my way. I actually went back and read a couple article comments and I see you have been throwing insults at others quite a bit and I happened to be your latest target. I also had no idea BD25 wrote anything for RacerX.
BD25 appears to be not only be a classy guy he is also a Suzuki guy. I have been a Honda guy my whole life (though I have no objection to Suzuki – I am a brand loyal guy). Not sure what your issue is but I do give you props for the Shakespeare quote – it does show some modicum of intellect in an otherwise hostile brain. I will give you once more distinction with BD25 – he appears to be a nice guy that does not throw when attacked. That is clearly not me. I worked as a bouncer in college and unlike the much classier BD25, walking away when a punch is thrown is not anywhere in my DNA.
I see nothing has changed since I've been gone.
SX is quickly becoming a Monster Jam. More about the show not the racing, except Daytona which seems to still want to be a race not a circus. I will NEVER go to a SX again.
anyone else notice that SM in observations rarely ever writes anything about Josh Hill? I get that Hill is not setting the world on fire with his 15 - 20th place finishes, no brain buster there, but no matter where he finishes or what he does or doesn't do, there's rarely ever a caption about him. he did get some love i think at san diego....which speaking of san diego here's a little fun fact for ya, it was discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vag.ina.
fyi...i'm not a Hill fan, nor am i a hater, just making an observation... :-)
rickamatuzio: Hey know-it-all, tell me how many wins, top 3's, championships and how much ink KTM and Roger got BEFORE Dungey signed?? If you don't like or respect the Dunge just say it and quit with your fake compliments. Truth be know, if JGE had signed Dungey, they'd be where KTM is now but they sold their soul to get "Bubba". Bet Joe would pursue the Dunge if he had that one to do over again....
Obviously I met "JGR" not J"GE"...but does it really matter now after the JS fiasco...lol
jw621557: Yes it is rare that Matthes has anything unambiguously positive about the Dunge.
Cranky: I'd say Matthes is by far the most agenda driven media guy of all the major ones out there. Him wuvs his Jamie Stewart!
Matthes actually apologized for bagging on Jeremy Martin. He admitted that it has been his dislike for j-star that has been the target of his criticism. It was nice for him admit that his journalism has been biased by his personal opinions. He also concluded by saying that he still expects Martin to be sucked into the destructive J-Star vortex. Oh well, it's a start.
323: As with 99.9% of readers on here, I can only use the info that is provided by the journalists. After I reassess my viewpoint, assuming that you are correct, my opinion hasn't changed.
Seems every championship comes down to the two Ryans. Not discounting Davi this year, he's been amazing, but Dungey and Villopoto are always pretty safe bets. I wish someone could step up to Villopoto's level on a more consistent basis, because it get old when the same guy wins over and over.
If all the tracks were like Daytona, I'd like Dungey's chances a lot more, but now if there are short races and hard to pass tracks, it might be tough for him to catch Millsaps, assuming he regains his previous form, let alone RV. I lived in Minnesota most of my life, so I hope I'm wrong.
It's both funny and sad that someone thinks that BD25, or anyone for that matter, would go to the trouble of setting up multiple log-ins, complete with different viewpoints, writing styles, and back stories. Within that context, I guess I could be another "BD25 in disguise".
323. Thanks for the info.
I respect all these guys on the track - but i do have my favorites which happen to be RV, Stewart and Canard to name a few..These are the guys I want to see be victorious....
That being said, I cant help but to give kudos for James.... First off, the guy is overcoming an ACL injury that most folks throw in the towel.... Second, he has shown in recent weeks that he is still very well capable of winning and yes tire selection can make or brake your night - He made a bad choice and owned up to it....Third, sure I would have liked to see him charge more at Daytona and go for it, but also I say "for what ???"... He had a small fall and pretty much stayed where he was the remainder of the race with the exception of Reed . Reed was pushing and charging because it seems he has more to prove than anyone right now as the series begind to whind down and he still strugglin to get a W, or even challenge.. While his arch rival James has tasted victory and been right there in speed the past few weeks... Stewart just settled, stayed up, stayed healthy and will be ready to go at Indy....he is out of points battle, probably wouldnt have made the podium after the fall anyway so why risk it or maybe injure the knee more.....so yeah, he cruised to an 8th place....He wanted better for himself, but there is always next week.....definatley a smarter James Stewart out there....
@MX Bob. I've had a suspicion that you were euromike as well. Haha.
I bet Ricky and Hart are going to try everything to get Eli on board with RCH next year.
Although, getting Eli apart of RV's program at Monster Kawi would be something to see.
Don't see Dungey going anywhere. he started the KTM program with Roger and i don't see him leaving until he's finished with it. . No way he riders Yamaha, Kawi is obviously a no go, and Honda has their guys already. Suzuki is locked up with Stewart and Davi and RCH.
Dungey will be on Ktm for years to come, in my opinion.
Could be wrong though.
@persona--Dungey stayed at Suzuki when Roger went to KTM--Roger had Short and Alessi there.. Then Dungey came when it was shown he could ride the new 450.. Honda really doesnt have anyone on the 450 right now.. Except Barcia.. he is the only one. Reed rides for his own team.. And Tomac isnt contracted anywhere on the 450 yet.. RCH isnt locked up anywhere, they are going for Tomac.. If Honda loses Tomac, who is thier 450 guy besides Barcia-- Reed rides for Two-Two Motorsports?? Even Short rides a KTM now..
KIinda got off topic--I dont see Dungey leaving either.. Just wondering who rides with Geico Honda on the 450 if Tomac leaves...
I agree, the Dunge doesnt leave KTM ..Maybe after Roger is gone ....Roger just extended his contract another 2 or 3 years and they are having some good success, so I guess Dungey does the same...If Tomac leaves GEICO, then I would guess they dump the 450 rider and just focus on the 250s.....Windham kind of made his own deal happen with the 450 and GEICO and Tomac isnt Windham... I say Tomac ends up Team Honda along side Barcia while Canard may end up at RCH or Kawasaki for 2014....I would like to see Tomac get that outdoor title on the 250 before jumping up to 450 full time...
Why am I getting ripped on?? I don't claim to know everything, except I THINK I do but that doesn't count.
KTM and roger had alot of ink, but your right dungey brought alot more. Don't you think Dungey owed to Roger? Roger took dungey on when he was as fast me!! Suddenly, he exploded into someone that would lap me twice.
I like dungey, I grew racing with him and his brother. I like seeing him where he is at because he seems happy, and roger seems happy. Roger Decoster knows one thing, WIN. He also knew he needed Ryan.. Like I said, they trust eachother it's a good team.
I hope, and I think he will, that Ricky Carmichael will become the next Decoster and make an excellent team manager that knows how to win. The sport needs that.. I think I know.
At least I don't set records for replicated posts.
At least I don't set records for replicated posts.
BD25, Bucky, Jon145, MNfan, MX Bob, Rickamatuzio, Ripdown... Do I smell a party at Spring Creek in July???
You do BD. And there is a reason for that. It's cuz I'm working on that very issue right now. Would be cool to have a chat with these guys. And I still need to remind BillC. that he and his brother were possibly going to make the trip from Conneticut this year. (They want to see the three headed snake!) LOL
Amaboozio retired from partying. Last time I tried to race a national at spring creek, I started drinking with a few friends the before when my buddy Bob Kohl called me out in a break dancing contest. I jacked up my knee for the 4th time, and was so hung over for qualifying Sunday that I swear they were going to give me a breathizilizer on the starting line.
I think I have only had about 5 beers since and that was 06ish..
I would love to sit back and watch somone else make an ass out of themselves for a change, I'm in.
I just had to comment on @RCRDDW's post. "If JGR had signed Dungey, they'd be where KTM is right now." Really? The truth is, according to moto press reports,Dungey would not even test ride the JGR Yamaha. Why? Because it is that backwards-engine piece of crap Yamaha. Those that didn't believe that the majority of Stewart's crashes were because of the bike should consider the fact that a) Josh Grant is out with an injury b) Justin Brayton is out with an injury, and c) Kyle Chisolm is out with an injury. And for those that said "the Yamaha seemed to work just fine for Millsaps", look what happened once he got off that piece of crap. So, no, if Dungey had signed with JGR, JGR wouldn't be where KTM is, Dungey would be where Grant, Brayton & Chisholm are.
i dont know about Eli going to RCH Ricky would love it but it might be to risky switching bikes and moving to an unproven team. Or it could work out great doesnt everyone love the suzuki and they are factory bikes
@KIlloMoto--I would love to see Tomac ride the 250 outdoors this year and go for that title.. Alot of people forget he didnt get a 250 National title at all.. I think he can definatly get it.. He got a big wake up call on the 450 in supercross.. Said himself the extra power and extra laps caught him by surprise and he was tired.. And had him frustrated he almost didnt race Daytona.. So it might be easier to convince him to spend the summer on the 250 one more time..
@mgwest..... What you failed to mention is Josh Grant is always hurt, even before Yamaha. Chisholm's crash had nothing to do with what bike he was on and he's been the same rider on Kawi's and Yamahas. Brayton finishes the exact same as on his Factory Honda and looks great on the bike. Millsaps looked great on the bike last year as well, and his new success is due to being fit and healthy for once. He may prefer the Suzuki but it's not the main reason for his success, preparation is. Stewart has crashed everything he's ridden, stop blaming his shortcomings on the bike. He hurt his knee on the Suzuki so is it a POS now too? His results aren't any better on the Suzuki than the Yamaha either, he's still the practice and heat race champ just like on the Yamaha. The Yamaha may be different but there is no way the JGR bikes are no good.
Hmmm... I'm not sure what to think of the Yamaha. I know this, if a rider doubts the bike in his head, that's enough for him to blame results on it. I can't remember MILLSAPS ever going as fast as Reed and RV on that Yamaha like he has this year.
I guessing the Yamaha is a good bike, but there really is no factory team. Maybe JGR doesn't have a very good setup and that's why riders are not confident on it.
The 09 Honda sucked a big one, but the team was able to setup around it. I wished Yamaha would field a factory support effort, they completely ignore snowcross too. Now they have contracted article car to put Fuji engines in their sleds. Queer as the day is long in my opinion
Artic cat to put Fuji engines in. I swear I hate APPLE!! iPhones suck a moose schlong too
mgwest 949, Looking at Josh grant - he has been injured on every bike he's ridden, Milsaps is exactly where he was last year on the Yamaha and I predict RD will set him back another place at least. I think different bikes fit different riders styles differently. I know the Yamaha is a great bike. The truth about RD's choice was not the bike at all he wanted to work with DeCoster and followed him there. Brayton has been injured more on other bikes than Yamaha.
I ride Honda but a lot of my friends ride and love Yamahas, and kick my butt.
I know of no rider that has had the worst results on Yamaha , actually at this point last year JS was doing better on Yamaha
Yep, just checked last year after daytons JS was in 3rd with 177 points on Yamaha and this year he is in 7th at 135 points on Suzuki, Hmmmm
Rickama I too have reformed from my party days...until this year, for my wife's birthday, I had not been inside a bar since 11/1/06..I may have the occasional beer, but no longer do I drink to get drunk, as I once did...I am not sure if it was the wisdom that comes with age or the disdain for hangovers that prompted the change..Heck it could be the expense, as I have gotten older, I have gotten cheaper..Still look forward to a bench racing party after Spring Creek...glad your in!!
I'm down for a RacerX poster party at Spring Creek. My wife and I bought a motorhome last year just so we could spend the week at Millville. What a great time! I don't post much on here, but it looks like Mn is well represented. MxBob, bucky, JonR, Rick Amsoil, myself...Not only on racerx forums, but at the races too. Dungey, Martins, Wentland, Williams, Oldenburg, Audette, Faith (close enough).
@Rick--I would LOVE to go toe to toe with pizzacorner, but not over a computer, I mean "toe to toe" I bet he either wouldnt show, or run like a coward...big mouths like him on a computer are usually cowards.. LOL!!
I'm in for the Spring Creek party. Unfortunately, I will probably miss some of the bench racing due to my frequent trips to the porta-john. I still like a few beers with the races. I am much smarter with a buzz so I will just focus on quality rather than quantity.
OK guys! I think this is great. We have plenty of time to toss this around, and we will have something to look forward to besides the races. If there is anyway I can be of assistance to any of you, please don't hesitate to ask. The motocross people are the best there is and I, like all the rest of you would do whatever I could to make your raceday a good one. Just so you all know, I live right here in Zumbro Falls, so I am pretty well in the middle of things. Spring Creek is 9 miles down the road, and again, if you aren't aware. I am proud to say that I know the Martin family and the surrounding area, quite well and, if needed, perhaps I could help with anything from a phone number to the track, to a motel, or other types of campgrounds, etc. I read this forum daily, so just send a shout out, and I will prolly see it, if you post on a thread that has A-Mart or J-Mart in it, I WON'T miss it! LOL Seriously guys, let's do this! By the way, Racer X staff,it's on the way home for you guys. Any interest in getting to know the "Mn crew + the old OAKIE BD25 & maybe Canada's own Ripdown? Now THAT would be cool...
@Mnfan-Oh yeah. You would fit in just fine in ZF! lol
@thorkline- Stay tuned buddy! The more-the merrier! You can plug your motor home in at my shop, and spend the night on Satutuday. Right in the middle of town. Or sooner. Or longer? Come early, stay late!
Thanks for the offer Bucky, but I live in Northfield, so only about 50 mins from the track. We will probably stay at the track until Sunday morning and then head over to either Kellogg, or Meadow depending on who is open for some riding. That's what we did last year and it was a good time. Everytime I drive through ZF I think about that river being 6' deep in town. Crazy!!
Mofo, you rapper types always talk big. If you're not hyperfocused on exaggerating about your genitalia, you're bragging about your rap ability, your bling, the fact that you're rolling on Dubs, your nine or keeping it real.
Yawn...zzzzzz...snore...
@speedshifter--sorry but you pegged me wrong.. I despise rap music, hate it completly... I only use this name to mess with MXMOFO, telling him I am the "real" mofo..LOL...
@bucky394, in spite if the allegation you, BD25 and I are the same person, I would appreciate periodic updates on the Millville get together since you appear to have taken the lead. Sounds like a nice opportunity to meet a few people.
@ Bucky
I'm going to price some flights in the morning and then clean the house and hope for an approval. Would be great to meet you guys.....while we all may have differing opinions and favorite riders we all are on this sight for the same reason.
PS...in case anyone is keeping track who still drinks.....I pound through those cheap American beers...lol.
Dungey, sooner or later, is going to have to win if he wants to be a champion ever again. You can't spend your entire career waiting for all the fast guys to crash out. And I mean win as in First Place. RV is owning him as he has done every other year they've raced together.
As to Peick or whatever his name is, you show me a rider who DOESN'T get pizzed off after losing a tight battle, and I'll show you a loser. Sponsors don't like losers. But they do LOVE publicity. There is no such thing as bad publicity. Publicity sells. I kicked over a ton of bikes in my racing days. That's what they're there for. If you don't like kicking bikes, stay the !@#$ out of my pit. And take your stinking cameras with you. I am more and more convinced that Matthes is a loser who forms an opinion based on what other people tell him to think.
@thorkline-6 feet? I had 8 1/2 feet inside my shop, on main street! When life deals you lemons-you make lemonade! Took advantage of the downtime, and remodeled everything. Made the changes needed to be more productive. Had flood insurance and found out what a great bunch of people our little town is made of. 16 houses torn down, due to the flood, however up on top of the hill, in our new development, there are 28 new ones! We made it! @Ripdown, We tried last year, so, this year, let's make it happen! Just let me know what I can do to help!! JonR- For sure! We will definately put something together. I smell the best Spring Creek weekend ever!
Hey @davidl: nothing like a little intellectual dishonesty. Millsaps is right where he was last year??? Ha ha. Ok, but last year, he was not in 2nd in points until there no Stewart, Villopoto, Reed or Barcia in the mix and Dungey had missed 5 races with an injury. Yeah, hmmm, that's EXACTLY the same as this year. Lol.