Motocross of Nations Spoiler Report
Sunday, September 30, 2012 | 11:00 AM
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It's over in Belgium, and history has been made. For the first time in 66 runnings of the Motocross of Nations, Germany has won the Chamberlain Trophy. The team of Ken Roczen, Max Nagl and Marcus Schiffer--led by Roczen's win in the MX2 class--rode solid all day to snag the win. And Team USA's seven-year win streak has been snapped. The Americans did have some bad luck throughout the day, but at no point did they show the potential to win motos, which meant they would have needed inconsistency from the other teams to squeak out the title. And both Germany and Belgium were consistent--enough to finish up 1-2, with the Americans third.
But oddly, moto wins didn't come from either of these teams. Italy's Tony Cairoli went 1-1 in his two motos, including the win in a much-anticipated third-moto showdown with Holland's Jeffrey Herlings. But Herlings lived up to his "sand master" hype, winning the second moto by over a minute. In his only match up with Cairoli, he started 28th while Cairoli led early, but he then reeled the MX1 World Champion in from way, way back to challenge for the lead. Cairoli hung on to win the moto. Unfortunately for both riders, their teammates weren't strong enough to allow them to contend for the team win.
The bottomless sand of Lommel, Belgium definitely served as the equalizer for Team USA. Moto one was a rough one with Blake Baggett and Ryan Dungey both having crashes, and Baggett finished 14th, with Dungey 7th. Cairoli won with ease. In moto two, Justin Barcia tried to get the team back into contention with a good start, he was second and battling with Belgium's Ken de Dycker when they collided, and Barcia busted his front spokes and crashed. He dropped back to fifth, but on the last lap the front wheel locked up, costing him a ton of spots as he had to get the bike fixed to even cross the finish. Baggett was better in moto two--inside the top ten, but it was not enough. Germany had more solid rides from Roczen and Schiffer, giving them a big points lead heading into moto three.
Belgium, meanwhile, had a second-moto DNF from MX2 rider Jeremy Van Horebeek cost them big time. They still had a shot at Germany in moto three, but they needed some help, and Germany didn't give them any--Nagl rode solid to seal it. The Americans had more bad luck in the moto. Barcia and Dungey started 2-3 right behind Cairoli, and Barcia made a pass on Dungey for second. Then Dungey crashed again and lost a bunch of time. He would only finish ninth. Barcia ran second for awhile, but Herlings' crazy charge from way, way back eventually overtook that spot. Herlings went after Cairoli but couldn't get him. Barcia finished third--the only moto podium for Team USA.
Look for a full race report, results and photos later this afternoon.
But oddly, moto wins didn't come from either of these teams. Italy's Tony Cairoli went 1-1 in his two motos, including the win in a much-anticipated third-moto showdown with Holland's Jeffrey Herlings. But Herlings lived up to his "sand master" hype, winning the second moto by over a minute. In his only match up with Cairoli, he started 28th while Cairoli led early, but he then reeled the MX1 World Champion in from way, way back to challenge for the lead. Cairoli hung on to win the moto. Unfortunately for both riders, their teammates weren't strong enough to allow them to contend for the team win.
The bottomless sand of Lommel, Belgium definitely served as the equalizer for Team USA. Moto one was a rough one with Blake Baggett and Ryan Dungey both having crashes, and Baggett finished 14th, with Dungey 7th. Cairoli won with ease. In moto two, Justin Barcia tried to get the team back into contention with a good start, he was second and battling with Belgium's Ken de Dycker when they collided, and Barcia busted his front spokes and crashed. He dropped back to fifth, but on the last lap the front wheel locked up, costing him a ton of spots as he had to get the bike fixed to even cross the finish. Baggett was better in moto two--inside the top ten, but it was not enough. Germany had more solid rides from Roczen and Schiffer, giving them a big points lead heading into moto three.
Belgium, meanwhile, had a second-moto DNF from MX2 rider Jeremy Van Horebeek cost them big time. They still had a shot at Germany in moto three, but they needed some help, and Germany didn't give them any--Nagl rode solid to seal it. The Americans had more bad luck in the moto. Barcia and Dungey started 2-3 right behind Cairoli, and Barcia made a pass on Dungey for second. Then Dungey crashed again and lost a bunch of time. He would only finish ninth. Barcia ran second for awhile, but Herlings' crazy charge from way, way back eventually overtook that spot. Herlings went after Cairoli but couldn't get him. Barcia finished third--the only moto podium for Team USA.
Look for a full race report, results and photos later this afternoon.
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Glad to see Roczen win, he is a good guy.
Congrats to Germany for winning it for the first time. I have been very impressed with Ken Roczen from what I have seen of him racing over here in the US. Always tries his hardest and never complains - a class act. Great for the German team and well deserved.
WOW, after Herlings caught Cairoli, Cairoli got even faster...MR. Sandman.....
great racing! thats all it is about.
im not american, im from a country who doesnt play a role in MX.
BUT.....i think the AMA should put in real sandtracks in the national series!
The us boys did not look to good here.
but don’t cry….
U r the still MX country #1, no one has won more this event!
Motocross is united
Who knew Barcia would be our best finish? Too bad kdd ruined Barcia's front wheel in his first moto !! Our first loss in 8 years!! as opposed to Germany's first win.....
EVER!
Just like the Yankee's can't win every year,just most,nice try boys.
CONGRATS TO GERMANY!!!
Great Job Germany, but we'll be back with a Vengeance next year, ready to start another 7-8 year streak
Congrats to Germany
Roczen & GH rode great.
I bet we learned a lot.
Next year will be epic!
Congratulations to team Germany for consistant finishes to take the win and happy for K-Roc as well...It's always tough to lose but you man up and give credit where credit is due...Cairoli and Herlings were fabulous in the sand...woulda shoulda coulda, our team did what it could do and we didn't perform consitantly...time to reload and come back next year...
No one but us seven year streak Americans could be upset with a 3rd at MXoN. USA still owns Motocross.
Stone - Excellent reference. It's nice to see intellect here.
Racer761 - I agree. It was really cool to see a track made out of beach sand. That would be a great way to shake up the championship.
Herlings is the real deal....2 minutes Barcía in moto 2, and lap for Bagget, this kid is better than all 250 riders in USA....ja,ja,ja
Congrats to Team Germany, Team Belgium and Team USA.
Awesome performance from KROC who took 1-1 in the 250 class. Consistency won this, and the USA had overestimated the sand track, as the Lommel track was the overall winner.
Next year in Germany, we will start the overall wins again.
Still tho.......in the last 31 years, Team USA has won 22 times. No other Nation is even close to this winning percentage over the same period of time since 1947.
Again, big time congratulations to Germany, Belgium and the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what racing is all about. Loved every minute of it! I expected more out of the Carioli and Herlings showdown. Would have been great to see them start together. Belgium had some really bad luck. Van Horebeek is very quick in the sand but that dnf costs them the win.
Kudos to Germany and Belgium. Got a track that the US couldn't master. 3rd is not bad. Those dudes rail in the sand. We'll get em back!
i wonder which brand took top honors today ! i dont think the the jap bikes faired well this weekend against the ktm's ! or how about the huskies ? i saw one smoking good !
Jeffrey M/F'n Herlings ..It ain't Sh!t talkin if you back it up ...
Quality day of racing. So happy for Cairoli, AT LAST he gets to have his day at the MXdN! It's about damn time son!! K.Roc, top mx2 guy the last 3 years, you can always count on the dude to perform at this race, and today his rides won his country the trophy. Perfect way to end a tough year for him. And Herlings. The guy is a freak of nature. To win by over a minute in that first one, have 30 mins rest and then come back from that far down to reel in Cairoli..? Unbelievable. He might not of got the 1-1 he wanted, but he more than proved himself today. Team USA.. Still on the box after everything. Respect.
....so when is AC and GH coming to America for an AMA season ??
#we'reready!
SUMBITCH ! This humble pie tastes horrible in the morning. The bad luck that usually gets Cairoli got the USA instead.
Congrats to Germany and Belgium for first and second.
I am glad to see parity in the motocross world. Everybody benefits when the racing is not lop-sided. My opinion, for what it’s worth, it’s all about the tracks. In the 1970’s, our tracks were too easy, and beginner friendly. We could not develop the skills on the level of the Europeans. In the 1980’s the Europeans tracks were getting too easy, and were not getting their riders experience jumping a modern bike to its capabilities. We were killing them. A track that is not physical can never beget a strong rider. A track that is beginner friendly cannot beget a skillful rider. It is all about the tracks. You want better riders, make the tracks more difficult. Hopefully, the tracks in Europe are getting as bad-ass as ours now!
Congrates to Germany. Since both of my parents are from Germany there is a feeling pride to see them win especially for the first time.
Being born and raised here, still of sad U.S.A. didn't win though. With out seeing any of the racing and from what I read, sounds like U.S. day just started bad and snowballed from there.
After this,I hope KTM keeps Max for next yea, rafter watching a video of him on this website, he seems like a cool guy.
Maybe there is a track here or at least a location to build a track that has similar soil/sand to Lommel and have switched with one of the Nationals to make our racing more diverse.
I'm just glad to see a AMA racer lead his team to victory and win the cup. Racing in the states has paid off for KRoc. AMA #1
the one thing everyone seems to forget and that this is racing and in a one day event anything can happen . being a track made in deep sand , that adds an other equilizer. its just like a mud race and that you just never know who might get lucky. i know sand skills help and being as though the euros race this all the time , it would only figure to play into there hand. well i say cudos to them and good luck next year. congrates to both germany and belgium ! kroc rocked the house today, so usa will have to regroup and come back strong next year . thats what we do . we dont get down, we get pissed and we go back to work and prepare for next year .
Villopoto or Steward are better than Cairoli?
Congratulations to All German fans for the outstanding performance of your MX team!
After the year that K Roc had in the US series, and the unfulfilled promise of his potential, It is fitting he comes out a national hero!
I felt blessed to see the KTM youngsters race so well in our outdoor series, they added so much competitiveness to the racing and upped the excitement level at every venue.
Congratulations to the US team for never giving up, and demonstrating the fine sportsmanship that makes me so proud to be an American.
This will really motivate the US next year. Unfortunately, I may have to put up with Euro mike for a while after he sobers up.
Well done yanks. To podium in Lommel is awesome. I think you up played your chances before the event, and are down playing them after finishing on the podium. The races panned out exactly how we thought they would, but then we know Lommel and how incredibly difficult it can be. Your guys did awesome, considering everything.
I think the real winner today was MX. It was madness here today. I´ll never forget it.
So happy for Kenny, Max and Skip. Well done boys.
Oh, and one last thing. Tony showed today what a great champion he is. I hope I never have to read anybody on here disrespecting him again. The man is a class act, not only on a dirt bike, but also as a person.
Maybe we can stop racing TT tracks and start racing real motocross tracks again. Hannah and the boys are laughing at us once again. Decoster is even snickering but he looks real good at KTM. Send the A team next time and we may have a chance. None of our 250 riders should of even been there. I saw a Can Am Spyder make it around Unadilla a few years ago do you think it could of made it around this track?
Great race and congratulations to Germany for their first MXoN win.
We struggled a little and also had a little bad luck, but 3rd is okay considering. Was awesome to see Cairoli go 1-1 and on the 350 never-less. Interesting that the 350 went 1-1-1 overall with Cairoli and Herlings on-board today, but the way they were riding they could have probably been on 125s.
We will come back stronger than ever next year. Great racing
Oh well that was the "B" team anyways. Good job K'rocks. keep the momentum into next SX series. I kind of knew this track would take us out. Baggetts too inconcistant in the sand, Bam Bam thinks every other rider is a berm, and the dunge str8 up had a bad day. Shoulda sent Dunge, tomac, and robbie marshall. Even BillC's favorite ryan would not have done good there!
One more thing, was a great day for KTM too, as a manufacturer they dominated, period,..... loved that as an old and long time KTM rider :-) A bet the smell of burnt rice there today is overwhelming... Go KTM!! (now I said that they well probably never win another race)
Congrats to Germany on their first Cup Win. Also congratulaions to Belgium on their second place. Also Awesome rides for Caroli it was nice to see him redeem himself this year. The youngster "Sandmaster" Herlings proved once again in the sand no matter how far he starts back he will be at the front,well second in the final, but only to the 6 time Champ, he is on another level. Congrats to him. Now that being said I think our US boys did us proud. You need more than partial track and quali practice to dial in Lommel. KEEP YOUR HEADS HI TEAM USA!! Well be back swinging next year!!!!
Note to everyone
KdD did not do anything to JB´s front wheel,.
You cant make such a pass at a sandtrack.
If a rider runs into a rider in front of him and its a bad move by the rider in front, we might just quit MX all together.
I always cheer for a US mx rider to make a sick whip (@MXdN) but it doesnt count on race day...!
Congrats to Team USA to finish on the podium at a gnarly sandtrack (Lierop is even vorse).
On to Teuchtental 2013!!!! Not sand!!!
on this given day, the euro's rode a great race and bettered the usa ! i know they all tried there best , and thats all we can ask. could rv, tomac, stewart, alessi, canard, tickle, sipes, weimer, nelson, windham, m stewart, wharton, milsap, tedesco, seeley, hahn, grant, davolos, and many others we will never know ! but know this, whoever races for the usa next year will be highly motivated to run up front and take the chamberlin trophy back. so again congrates to germany and belgium for a outstanding outing on this one given day !
I would love to see all of this weekends individual moto winners and Cup winners at the MEC in Las Vegas.
I would love to be able to see the FIMs best riders come to the USA for at least one race a year.
Maybe even a short winter series that runs in the southern states, that doesn't conflict with either the FIM or AMA racing schedule.
Hmmmm.... I'm reading the comments here and there is virtually no whining or sniveling, as some European fans predicted there would be if the US didn't win. The Americans are giving credit where credit is due. Good to see.
And that's the right things to do, considering that at last year's MXdN in France, the crowd (obviously mainly French and European) were very respectful of the Americans, and gave them a great ovation on the podium, even though it had been a particularly heartbreaking loss on home soil.
The trash talking is all part of it, I guess, but what you say and do after winning or losing says a lot about you....
Get real "cesarbasto", as I said yesterday that Herlings would win in the sand. This youngster is the best sand rider in the world, bar none. Having said that, if Roczen would of stayed in Europe, he would of won the MX2 championship again and beat Herlings in doing so. Now, how did Roczen do in the US this year? To say that Herlings is the best 250 rider in the world is ridicoulous. These two Euros possibly have the potential to be as good or maybe even better than their US counterparts, only time will tell. Europe tracks are way different than the US tracks are, that's why I think that Roczen didn't do as well as a lot of people expected him to do. He still did a great job in his first year here. Give him a couple more years and we will see where he is at. I think he might be on top. Herlings is coming here too, and we will see what he has to offer. He might do better his first year. But for now let's just say it as it is, Jeffrey Herlings is the best "sand rider" in the world period.
Congrats to Team Germany, their country and their fans. There were some young guns who showed what they were made of and the fine performance they put on. Also congrats to our boys from USA, I know you guys gave everything you had. Also let the Eurothrash/nazi/mike gloating begin, this one is for you! A strong job well done to all teams and their riders who had to tough out the Lommel track and for representing your country proundly.
Barcia rear-ended KDD in a doomed & frantic pass attempt from 20 feet back. This is what later killed his front wheel. Self-inflicted all the way.
Have to see it from another angle, but looked like Barcia's wild almost-crash at Dungey's 10-o'clock is what wrecked Dungey.
Barcia was not an asset today. After his panicky qualifier yesterday one would hope Roger would have settled him down. Or tried. Maybe he did.
On Herlings vs Caroli in race 3..... Herlings ran race 2, Caroli did not.
Yes "cesarbasto", Villopoto and Stewart are both better than Cairoli. That is to say if Stewart can stop crashing. However there are tracks that Cairoli would beat both of them on, and Lommel is probably one of those tracks
If Herlings had got into the lead earlier, he would have won. But coming from 28th to 2nd, in like 3 laps was something special. Plus he had only just raced the 2nd moto. Still think he would have won on his 250F.
Congrats to Team Germany.
Entertaining day, and great job by the Germans. There is no question that the GP riders had a huge advantage on this particular track. I don't know about those who are calling for a "Lommel-like" track on the US circuit, though. How often will we have to ride that kind of track? We'll see next year how much of a difference it made. A lot. Nonetheless, the Euros took it to us today. Good effort. Tough luck. Get 'em next year!
It's cool to see another country win the trophy but we got to admit, if it wasn't for the track the race was held on USA would have dominated again this thing! They are just plain better than the GP guys, the proof Roczen and Musquin this year against BB, JB and ET. Just wait till next year when Zach Bell and Justin Bogle catch fire they will probably won stand a chance
Congrats K-Roc and Germany! Congrats Cairoli! And congrats to the Global MotoX community!
Good racing overall and I for one am glad to see that all Nations are well represented and capable of laying it down at MXdN... or anywhere else for that matter.
Good show!
Congratulations to Germany for the win it was well deserved.
Bottom line is this for team USA
Barcia rode great and tried his hardest BB rode just ok but he tried.
WTH is up with Dungey? I think he rode to his level which is just not good enough when it comes to being fast.
To beat a man you have to attack his weakness----Deep sand
To Break a man you have to attack his strength---- Conditioning
So the Europeans not only beat us they broke us this day and we must admit
it. We brought our best team and lost, we do not have RC or RV those days
are gone. I think JB and BB are the future which is bright and I think RD is just
not able to cut it in the big world. RV coming back is going to be great next year
and will help bring us back at Glen Helen. RD got a great start again but his speed
is not there and never will be, but he tries. I am happy with 3rd its what we deserved and nothing more. We got our butts kicked but good but experience should help, the Euros are better rough track riders and thats it!
Proud Euro supporter here, got into a few fights on racerx a few days before MXoN but I must say it's very good to see all u Americans being such good losers, very impressed. Just pls don't say it was ur B team 1) current 450 champ 2) current 250 champ and 3rd rider still awesome so it was ur A- Team. Well done to Germany for the win and well done to the American fans for not being sore losers.
Congratulations to the Germans. Very well deserved. I know I will get booed on this one, but I have always said Dungey is overated. Every title he has one has been when three or four fast guys have been sidelined. He will be back to a fifth place rider next year.
Hey Elsinore, Get off Barcias back RD wrecked himself and at least Barcia was on the gas not trail riding like RD. I am not a Bam fan but I give him all the credit in the world for bringing his best effort. You want to get on someones case go after the team leader who looked like he was locked up.
Props to the winning teams and moto winners ....
No excuses...........I too am eating sand .....grumble grumble....
"I'll be back"
JimM
Pala374
I think Dungey made too many mistakes, Barcia after the second moto understood he just had too take it easy and get the result with no mistakes, the mot wins were out of question today. Belgium and Germany were so fast today, no doubt. I just disagree with this B team thing: USA is such a big country with so many awesome riders that just hearing this B team story makes me laugh. I am from Italy and we havent' had a decent MX2 rider in the last years, what should we say? Also Germany had a weak man, Schiffer, who did an excellent job. So, I am sorry to say this but the B team thing does not exist at all.
@Claxton.... wtf are you talking about? Dungey is your two time mx national champion and 1 time supercross champion! not cutting in in the big world? come on he crushed Cairolli a couple of years ago on Colorado! He's just not that good on that kind of sand which is the case of almost every rider on the US. RD is just as good as RV on any given day
Somewhere in America Mike Alessi is laughing his ass off. Did you know he is REAL GOOD in the sand. Bummer. Too Bad Old Roger is still carrying some bad feelings around about Mike.
I think MA800 is pissed, he is not laughing, just like the rest of the US moto fans!
congrats to Germany, Belgium, USA, and the rest of the guys that raced MXoN
congrats to germany.
congrats to germany.
congrats to germany.
11sha, Decoster said RV carried the team last year don't you remember? RV is always the hero at the Nations he don't get smoked, thats what I am talking about. I don't wanna hear about the track when our B team went there in 1981 and won the trophy. The Euros kicked RDs butt so admit it.
It's good for the sport that the USA didn't win. They will win again next year. Herlings is from another planet. Too bad that he crashed with the start.
Congrats to Germany.
i remember in the seventies, when USA finally got the ISDT to come to America. Before it was finally held in the Berkshires, similar to other European events in so many ways, there was a strong movement to have it in the So Cal desert, and make the USA team up of Desert Masters, who knew the terrain expertly. With temperatures over 100 degrees, most Europeans who are used to wearing shorts when it 40 degress out, would have struggled to compete. The ISDT organisers would have never let it happened, because of that. Congratulations to Germany for their efforts on home turf.
Cool to see a rare American loss. Reminds me of Vietnam.
Claxton, your a F-ing F a g, nuff said
Let's give all them riders who lined up to race the roughest track in the world a round of applause .... We should all can the smack talk and realise that the best riders in the world raced the toughest track that was the same for everyone. Team USA did brilliant considering they had no real exposure to a track that all of us would struggle to walk let alone race for 30+2 ... i know i've be to Lommel and its one of the places you can only understand when you walk it after 3 long motos :-) (one for the bucket list of die hard MX racers). I've been lucky to go to many Des Nations over the years including Budds Creek and Colorado and seen the best in the GOAT, Everts, Roczen, RV .. the list goes on, lets not forget that no matter how much BS everyone talks, the day is the pinnacle of true Motocross and whoever wins is the best on the day. I'm sure team USA will strike back and it will be always upto the rest to muster 3 equal riders to beat them ... Long live MX and her younger brother SX .. i for one can't wait for next season on both sides of the ocean to kick in again (we're lucky in the UK to get all the races so appreciate the talent from both sides of the water) .... maybe one day we'll have a true 'World Championship' of all the top riders across all tracks across the globe, i for one would like to see the racing today every weekend no matter where on this planet it came from :-)
So Claxton, Dungey went out on a track unlike anything our guys ever ride and was beaten by lifelong sand riders, and that wipes away all the winning results he's had over the past four years? That's one of the stupidest comments I've read on here. Villopoto would NOT have won a moto today. That track was an anomaly; when we go back to a more "normal" track next year, Dungey will again take his place in front of most or all of the other riders (and hopefully Villo will be there, too).
And I'm not taking anything away from the Germans, Belgians, French, Cairoli, Herlings, or any of the others. But this is a track that requires riders to have experience with ... and our guys simply don't.
We expect GP rides to be better but Bagguette an Barcia getting lapped thats a different level alltogether...
Anyway happy for germany especialy Max Nagl he deserve lot more pride then is getting...
I am publically coming out and saying that I was wrong, and that Germany deserves the accolades. Congrats to all the compeditors for giving it their all, but special congradulations for Germany putting it down with authority. Well done Germany!
@Sef your magic 8 ball tell you RV couldn't win a moto there or are you just guessing? And I totally agree with whoever claimed RD is overrated. As long as DeCosters around though you can probably expect to see him on every MXoN team
@Pitbull- I stand corrected! Euromike was more than a gentleman about this, i guess his past posts just kind of leaves a lingering effect upon one.
Congrats Germany. Scrub generation.....meet old school mx.
@ClappedOut - No, I expect a boy from the State of Washington would adapt to the sands of Lommel like a duck to water. Maybe you weren't watching, today. Going over to Europe and riding sand tracks for a week was a nice try and all, but it wasn't going to offset years of living, training and racing in that stuff - not even for RV2. I doubt you'll find many reasonable fans who would disagree.
From Portugal: Some comments here are so... l don't have words to describe that!
1º - some peolpe here (americans) are saying that usa send "B" team? RD, BB and JB are the best riders you have in this moment and they do well today! Send RV or JS or MAlessi, not change a thing because they won't win a moto, period!!
2º - Lommel is a real deal, not your flat tracks!
3º - "If's" don't count...
4º - Cairoli a Herlings are not second line champs like some people think or saying in the last few days!
5º - Dungey is a great rider, and when "TheMan"Decoster drop team usa, they will win less!
Moto 3. Herlings crashed in the start. He broke something in his chest. Restarted at place 32. Still he could manage an almost win. After finish he did go straigt to the hospital.
US was one big joke this weekend. Spend two weeks in the sand before MXON, didn't help at all, they looked like women
For all you guys that think that Villipoto would do better than Dungey must have already forgot about Southwick and Millville last year. Dungey was faster at both tracks. RV would have not made any difference in the outcome this year in my mind. It wouldn't have mattered who the U.S. would have sent this year. The outcome would have been the same.
Would RV have won...NO but I believe he would have beat RD, This makes 2 years in a row that RD got passed by our MX3 guy. RD fell and rode in 11th place for the hole race!!! Picked up one spot when the Rusky crashed and not sure how he got the other spot to finish 9th but either way unless he was hurt from the crash that wan NOT a good ride at all. He also crashed in his other moto. Over all I was a little let down by how he did. Barcia pulled a VERY stupid move in his first moto whitch came back to bit him on the last lap an cost us 9 points but his second moto was GREAT. Baggett had a bad firts moto because of a bad start and two crashes but he aswell put in a GREAT 2nd moto ride. The way I see it if JB had stayed in 4th in his firts moto and not made the stupid move and if RD had not crashed in moto 3 and got 4th or 5th we would have won it. so over all we had a shot whitch is more than most thought over there.
bdrvr40 I dis agree, a few bad moves cost us the win, we had a shot for sure if the guys did not crash. we lost well over the 14 points we needed from crashes and lack of passes. So I would beat on team USA if it was run again next weekend. (not that it matters cuz it is run once and we got beat) I said last week we wont beat herlings and don't need to be him or Cariolia
Euromike's joking about the World Trade Center buildings coming down negates any humility he shows now. I knew people that were in those buildings.