by Aaron Hansel
Bench Racing Ammo: Stats on Baggett, Tomac and Barcia
Tuesday, September 4, 2012 | 10:50 AM
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PrintYou already know just how close the racing has been in the ultra-competitive pressure cooker that is the 250 Class of the Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship. Everyone is working hard, nobody wants to give anyone an inch and it shows in the results. To get a better idea of just how close things are heading into the finale, let’s take a look at some of the stats from Blake Baggett and Eli Tomac, the two racers that currently sit in first and second place in points.
| Rider | Overall Wins | Moto Wins | 2nd Place | 3rd Place | 4th Place | 5th Place | Holeshots |
| Baggett | 4 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Tomac | 4 | 8 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 |
As you can see, Baggett and Tomac are incredibly close. They both have the same number of overall wins, they are very close in seconds and thirds, and are tied in fourths and fifths. Neither racer has finished worse than fifth overall, either. Another interesting point is that both of them have been absolutely terrible at nailing holeshots. Baggett leads Tomac in holeshots taken, 1-0, but with twenty-two motos in the books, they might as well be tied in this category as well.
It all comes down to the season finale for Barcia (left), Baggett (middle) and Tomac (right).
Simon Cudby photo
These stats have the potential to tighten up even further this weekend at The Red Bull Elsinore National. If Tomac goes 1-1 and Baggett records another 4-4 (which is what happened at Steel City), the two will find themselves tied in points with 508 apiece. In this scenario, Tomac would take the title due to more overall wins. But if Tomac goes, for example, 1-2 without winning the overall and Baggett goes 4-6 or 6-4, they’ll be tied with 505 points, they’ll have the same number of overall wins and they’ll each have nine moto wins. Tomac would still get the championship nod in this situation by virtue of holding more second place finishes than Baggett. It could come down to the third tie-breaker!
That's close, but don't forget that Justin Barcia also sits just four points behind Tomac in third. Those two GEICO Honda teammates have been nearly deadlocked all year, remember, they split the East and West Lites SX Titles in Monster Energy Supercross, and then went 1-2, in the shootout in Vegas, seperated by just a few bike lengths. How close are they outdoors? After 22 motos, Barcia and Tomac carry the exact same average moto finish of 2.9.
Throw in comp from the Red Bull KTM duo of Ken Roczen and Marvin Musquin, and this just might be the closest year we’ve ever seen in the history of 125/250F/Lites racing, and we’ve still got one race to go with a championship still on the line. Buckle up race fans, Elsinore could be a wild one!
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Ol Baggett has to go 1 on 4, He will get no help out there but the Geico team can help Tomac a LOT. I just hope this great season does not come down to team tactics...That would be a shame
A shame for who ??
Not Geico Honda !!
Looking at the stats you have above it looks like Bagget has one more 9th place finish than Tomac which would give him the championship if they tie in points.
A shame for the sport,and would look bad for Geico too if they need to do it to win Over_the_bars, Its been clean all year and if Tomac needs help like that to win it thats crap. He rides clean lets hope the others do too.
Bagget will take it home
Pro Circuit does this every year. Now they are on the other side... Karma!
I havent missed a moto all year and was surprised to see BB and Tomac tied for moto wins. I would have guessed Baggett had at least two more. He's had the red plate from the first race on and at times seemed on another planet compared to everybody else.
It wasnt until Southwick that I saw a different Tomac. Taking out four seconds a lap late in a moto was Baggett like. I didnt see it coming and in fact, like everyone else, expected all that from Barcia, who has crumbled as of late.
Its been an amazing year and I'm already pumped for next years lites battles!
I totally agree that wouldn't be ideal -- but with everything more and more money focused these days and with limited AMA rules in place -- From a business standpoint Geico Honda may more more to gain by such tactics.
I’m on the fence with using team tactics. Specially with these 2 teams. Lets not forgot that Tomac and Geico kind of owe PC one. How about Hansen blocking Tomac in Vegas so Tickle could win the 2011 West SX Championship?
I'd like to see Tomac take it. kind of tired of PC winning titles. I wonder if BB will be able to handle the pressure this weekend?
Lets not forget Barcia is still in this and there is no way he will give in to Tomac that would be stuipid. As for trying to take anyone out I think riders learned a lesson from Deano that does not pay. If Baggett cannot pull a couple of 3rds then he does not deserve to win, however that will not happpen. Tomac has been taking lots of chances lately he even admits that so I would not be surprised to see him wad it up.
Wow handlebar dragger - you are old enough to remember that? Given this fact, it is a shame that in your age wisdom did not follow (at least on posts related to you know who.)
Jackass.
Anyway I remember the c'ship when Cooper won it over the MXKied...by one point... Suzuki dropped down some of its 250 riders to help out Cooper ...the rate they were pulling to the side in the waning moments of the final moto at unadilla was a bit "shameful" I'd say.
Motod6 @ Chillimatic I agree - to a point. But you reap what you sew in this life...
Modod6 When did Hansen block Tomac at Vegas? To my recollection there were no PC bikes blocking Tomac in 2011 in Vegas. If anything, it was Cole Seely, on a Honda, who slowed Tomac up.
iv a feeling tomac might steal this thing....his rideing so well and has nothing 2 loose....BB will need to ride with a strong head....
i hope the racing stays clean....both of them will make great champs...both have rode great this year....
that's right Aaron Hansel , Hell did Hanny even make 2 laps? or was that this year?
Dirty racing, team tactics, pull-overs... I don't really care. Both Tomac and Baggett have proven this year that they can rise above any of it when needed so I'm hoping for and expecting great racing.
@ Aaron Hansel. It wasn't much but Hansen was trying to block. He was being dirty or anything but you can tell he was trying to hold him up. 5:20-6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8kDol9QUc4
This is big business people. Geico & Monster don't even know who BB & ET are. They represent championships to these corporate sponsors that want payoff for their investments and a controversey might be the best way to generate media coverage.
I like the idea of the Honda sweep because it's been a while for them and the novelty is lost on PC / Kawi.
I am a "purist" AND a "realist" so, it's a conflicting situation. What better way to decide a Championship?
I think BB, ET & Bam Bam would have to be abducted by aliens for Roczen to win this championship so, I'm rooting for an entirely different E.T.
@Cooks6161 - So "Karma" doesn't care about Blake Bagget's actions, just Pro Circuits'? Is that how Karma works?
F**k karma, f@@k team tactics, leave your panties at home and settle it on the track. Baggets gonna fall moto 1 and end up 12th while eli gets the win. moto 2 is gonna be an EPIC battle between eli and blake. the mx crystal ball has spoken....
In the unlikely event it came down to it, the sign could read:
Let Ely Buy
It is a very similar situation to that year, but no way a pit board message like that would ever come out again. They might talk about it ahead of time, but any message would be in code, or at least not contain two misspellings out of 3 easy to spell words.
here brainiac!
by
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preposition
1.
near to or next to: a home by a lake.
2.
over the surface of, through the medium of, along, or using as a route: He came by the highway. She arrived by air.
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on, as a means of conveyance: They arrived by ship.
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to and beyond the vicinity of; past: He went by the church.
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near; in the immediate vicinity; at hand: The school is close by.
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over; past: in times gone by.
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by me,
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Gotta love these idiots that respond to a post that they clearly didn't read or comprehend.
Seefu and your stupid azz will vote for F_ ckin Rom nuts. Loser
my response was not directed @ mx-bob by the way!
SEEFU, YOUR THE DUMB ASS. Mxbob was referring to a pitboard from 1982 that said "let brock bye" you moron.
Read his context before you blab brainiac. In any event, its BY moron. Buy = purchase, Bye = a missed event.
Mxbob was being cynical.. oh lord
Sorry, you're...
Again sorry, 1977. In 82 hannah let baily bi
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/JODYS-TRUE-STORY-OF-LET-BROCK-BYE--4855.aspx
JMB didn't do team tatics. He wasn't a "Team Player" haha.
Yeah I also hope it wont come down to a "Let Broc Buy" moment. That really upset Hannah the most I think. Yes Handlebardragger said it first. Its a big game come SAturday, May the best, fastest and Luckiest pereson win! Lets hope for an all out but fair race! Naw that is not possible that is why we have the comment board.
4 Dumb Renè: you are not allowed to enter the USA, keep that in mind. You are garbage, Mohammed is garbage, Islamic retards like you are the enemy.
4th children? From 4 different prost***
Whats wrong with team tactics? Whats the point of having a "team" then?
I love tactics. Its a part of the sport. Teams pay big money.. i say "let it ryde"