The List: Numbers Behind the Season
Thursday, February 2, 2012 | 11:35 AM
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This is 4x4 week—and we’re not talking trucks. You might have heard about four winners in four rounds. But what other numbers have come to define the first month of Monster Energy Supercross? Here’s a look.
6: Red plates this year in SX Lites and SX Classes. Six different riders have held points leads in either the SX of Lites class after just four races. With the East Lites tour getting underway in two weeks, we could be looking at a lot of overtime work for graphics companies.
2: Supercross class points lead ties (not counting round one, where every single rider was tied with zero).
This marks the second time in this past year that Reed has shared the red plate with Dungey.
Photo: Simon Cudby
0: Points difference between the top two riders (Reed & Dungey) of the SX class going into A2.
1: Position Ryan Villopoto and Eli Tomac have held on the fastest lap time leader boards for the first four main events. Yup, fastest lap in every main event so far.
2: Points lead deficit for Ryan Villopoto in a deep field of SX class talent.
15: Points lead for Eli Tomac in a comparably deep field of Lites West talent.
53.915: Eli Tomac's fastest lap time in L.A., faster than any other rider from both classes.
3: Jeff Ward loved riding with the number himself. Then he hired #33 Josh Grant for his team, and #333 Coy Mackie as a replacement when JG went down. Mike Brown, how’s that KTM contract looking?
Is this a phase of an integral plot? Perhaps not, but it's good to speculate.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
338: It's not J-Law, it's Z-Osb!
992: AMA number for Brazil’s Jean Carlos Ramos, the highest number rider to qualify for a main event this year.
10-10-7-10: Ultra consistent finishes for #100, Josh Hansen. Most expect Hanny to show flashes of speed but also some inconsistency—instead, he’s been the rock for team Dodge/H&H. Just about as consistent is the rider without a #3 for Jeff Ward Racing, Kyle Chisholm, who has 16-12-12-12 finishes.
200: All-time SX main event wins for Honda after Chad Reed’s L.A. SX triumph.
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JS7 got saved by Chad last week. Chad blocked RV and that kept JS7 in front. If RV starts upfront its over for JS. Not hating on JS just saying how I saw it. When Reedy crossed line up in the air it scared RV but A2 will be a different story. Right now RV2 is the man to beat.
@dgizzy1,, So if RV can't get by Reed, you think he could have gotten by JS ?? hahaha..
I will have to agree, Reed was riding a wide bike last week!! Not dissing him by any means, but RV was not gonna risk it.
OMG dgizzy1 prepare for an assault by the Stewbots.
No insults, I'm just hearing excuses by RV fans,, thats all.. Funny how things work one way, but not the other,, isnt it ?? If I remeber correctly, RV had a pretty good start in Oakland..
RV lost period, did not make it happen, thats the way it goes sometimes. If any of them were so dominant right now we wouldn't have four different winners. It is early still so maybe one of them will start clicking off wins untill then, 2nd 3rd or worse is because (insert rider here) didnt make it happen on race night no other excuses.
i dont think that triple did anything to RV he caught right back up to Reed shortly after and then RV himself seemed to try and stay out of the roost and took some bad lines one where he lost a full second by taking outside berm vs. Reed going inside. From that point on he started to drop off so maybe at that point he said its not worth falling but my question would be how come he didnt just pass James before Reed became an issue for him ?
Because he couldn't make it happen that race thats all. They arent chumps he is racing.
Ineresting stuff it keeps us wondering what is gonna hapen next? I truley would not be surprised if we have another winner this week, it a long shot? Trying to remember where I posted my boolie joke have not been online in a few days.
Well it lokes like we have a lot of new people commenting that is good and the chat is cleaned up. Gotta get some stuff done, take care all!!
LETS RACE!!!
Your right Welker who will be next rider to have a break through ride Short, Weimer? I'm not going guess.
One thing I know for sure CBS is going to screw us out of watching it because they are going to show 8 hours of Superbowl pre game BS. I'll be watching on you tube Monday or Tuesday
@mxmofo--Its not that RV "cant" get by Reed, when Reed crossed the face of a triple in front of RV, I think RV backed it down and settled. Why get killed for one race this early in the season. I know your a Stewtard, but Reed did do that and RV backed it way down.
He "Did" not make something happen is different than he "could" not make something happen.
when he "needs" to make something happen...he "will" make it happen.
That is what makes him the best rider on the circuit. He has the all teh components + that something extra that allows him to pull the trigger when he needs to.
More importantly, he has the maturity of a multi-time champion who always has his eye on the real prize. The title.
So quit thinking so damn short term and at least pretend to know what the hell is really going on. Races are skirmishes within the larger war. You do not risk the war at every skirmish. Some you fight to win, some you do not.
My money is on RV who has proven he has the mental toughness. I absolutely do not put my money of JS as he too has absolutely proven to not have teh mental toughness.
Reed and Dungy sit somewhere in the middle.
im trying to think of another rider that could possible win but i am having hard time finding another rider that can actually go 20 and have consistent lap times other then the riders that have already won this year. I really dont think JW has 20 in him at full speed yet. Not saying it can't happen but i think we have seen all the winners we are going to see for the rest of the year. I think the question is really who is going to get the second win FIRST ?
CBS is having 8 hours of pre-game for a game that airs on NBC? Probably only if you live within 200 miles of NY or Boston.
@Red44,, Facts are Facts,, RV got beat in Oakland.. Deal with it... Also, are you a mind reader ?
Attention all riders,,, if you are trying to pass someone, and they block you, just forget about them and hold your position...
People are overthinking this, RV got beat last weekend, it happens, it's racing. His laptimes and overall riding have shown he is ready to go and his speed and conditioning are top shelf. It doesn't come together every weekend, the poll this week showed he is by far the favourite to get the next win, which shows people are seeing his overall package as the best. When it's time to pull the trigger for a title under pressure RV is the safest bet in my opinion.
i know in the past i sort of agreed then disagreed with the comments that RV shut it down for the "bigger picture" i still have real hard time buying that RV shut it down to prevent a disaster at the MIDWAY point of the race or 12 laps in ? It's hard to accept but i'll give it to you. Reed i guess should be thankful for RV letting him run the RED plate this week ?
RC was never this kind and thoughtful. Could you imagine RC saying "yeah i didn't want to take a chance on racing and getting tangled with another competitor" on the 4th race of the year?
Some of you guys are to funny.... RV got beat, if he could have passed he would have, these guys race to win he was all over both reed and stewart without a pass because he couldn't end of story. Thats not to say he isn't going to get it all together and start clicking off wins but I dont know maybe this is the type of season it is going to be.
This thread should be called "RV Fans excuse posts"
I love all the experts figuring out RV... did'nt he just win EVERYTHING ,hes only 2 pts back..i think he might have an idea of what he needs to do...I really doubt he just was so scared of Reed he just lost it and gave up...yeah right ,maybe it was the Dungey force field he uses also works on Kawis... Reed is not only a good rider but a great RACER as well and it was clear he can pick it up when Havoc is near and also has every right to make that honda as WIDE as he can. Havoc7 is back and the word stewtard is wore out. Can't you haters come up with a new one ...that ones like three years old now.....Actually kinda quiet from the haters...winning will do that. Nice. Go RV there can be only 1. Meanwhile the other mighty 450 Suzuki sits.
MXBob We haven't got to watch a CBS race yet I'm just assuming that's what will happen.
mxmofo.....we all know RV can't pass...........lets see if he can learn from the expert riders on here how to by the end of the season...i did'nt hear him make ANY excuse.
"Stewbots...."! Sweet! I wish I had come up with that one.
@tonewall,, hahaha.. Some of these RV fans just don't think its possible for RV to get beat fair and square...
they should add some letters in front of numbers to this column and include dgizzy1... (does that mean you love Dungey jizz?
dgizzy1: possibly the most lame comment ever......serioulsy? So your saying Reed got saved by JS at Dodger then? I am no "Stew-bot" and pull for RV, but come on man....If you didnt learn from the nationals, RV will make things happen when he needs too....He didnt "need" to get by Reed....If anything, RV saved Reed...if he got 3rd, he probably would have broke that champagne bottle over his head, rather than pour it out on the ground......" SAVED"....what a clown.....
Lets see where we are when Daytona comes round. Then we'll talk.
JS7 and RV will take turns being the alpha male during this series...They have been the 2 fastest guys on the track at any give race and both have had some falls, which is a part of racing and guys like Reed and Dungey will be there to capatalize on those mistakes....however, Reed and Dungey are not exempt from these mistakes...so sit back and watch...nobody can predict anything...
WFO_UFO I was going to say the same thing...cant judge nothing by round 4 of 17....
well going by last years Daytona...the fastest guy on the track lawn darted?
I think there's a nugget of truth, facts and little realistic suppositions in most of these posts. We aren't behind their goggles or under their helmets so any opinions about who backed it down, who crossed lines or who is finally in race shape mechanically, physically and mentally doesn't really matter. Personally I'm an RV fan but don't want to comment on what happened because 1) I don't know and 2) I don't want to get harpooned by some of the more truculent people here. We all know something huge will happen this season that blows us all away and that it's just a great time to be a fan. Kinda makes me long for the comforting days of RC4 dominance.
@ mxmofo.........It's annoying hearing excuses eh? Anyone who isn't on Stewy's nuts has been dealing with this excuse crap for years haha.
@Retardcross,, I agree. Its just funny when JS doesn't win, he got beat, but when RV doesn't win, he was holding back... As far as JS excuses, I don't think he has any, except for not riding MX, and that's his own fault. But, I do know the 2010 and newer Yam 450's are not well liked by riders who have ridden them.
RV said it himself after the race, he tightened up. If anyone here races they will know that when you tighten up it's harder to push the envelope without crashing. Pure sign of weakness.
Stewies fault for not racing MX last year which he copped to and was bummed. Yamahas fault before hand. Anyone notice Chad Reed had a Supercross only contract when riding for Yamaha, what about Josh Hill? Everyone knows that Supercross gets the most coverage and has a higher payout then MX. Yamaha didn't want to waste the money paying a rider salary and everyone to support that rider at the outdoors with little pay out. Everyone blaiming Stewart can do so for 2010 but anything before hand not the case.
It's funny how the people who were making excuses for JS the last three races are now bashing on people making excuses for other riders.
On this website, whoever wins gets all the love while there are some haters, and who ever doesn't win people seem to think that they can't do it anymore. Yes I understand people were all like ''RV's gonna run away with this title'' yet there were also people saying JS would and RD would and CR would. Like I said before theres haters and there's lovers.
I am still on the fence about the bike thing because of how many fast lap times and heat race wins he had last year. I don't think there is a quirk that makes it un-rideable only in the main events. He's always crashed when pressured and last year was the most competition he has ever faced. If the bike is the issue, he deserves to suffer the consequences of selling out and passing on the Suzuki. Way I see it anyways. If winning is his priority (which I believe it is) then I think he would put himself on the best equipment available to him. If not, once again it's his own fault. As said before as well, he is not a rider that has the brain to develop a bike, and this is one of those quiet ingredients that adds to a rider's resume and overall package.
vet243 well said. Yeah you can't take everyone's post serious or you'll go crazy....it's all in fun and games. Just voicing our opinions whether they're wrong or not its a pretty cool forum to speak your thoughts....just like we dont really know the Riders peronally we dont all know eachother on this site but i think its safe to say where not much different from your average person with an opinion.
i think PW29 clears up alot of speculation on whether RV was backing it down in that race or if he simply just couldnt make the passes ?
@JaminGeorge That sucks that they haven't been showing them. Then when the Super Bowl is over, SX won't be on CBS for a while. If they could have just waited until after the playoffs...
Maybe start a "Occupy CBS Affiliate" movement. Of course, MXers may be the 1% and people who would rather watch pumped-up nose-bleeders talking about football. Sad to say, MX is still considered a fringe sport most places.
1% of the NOT 1% and
Thanks Skeetak, I wasn't baggin on anybody in particular, and agree this is a great place for interacting with people that share a passion. Def a cool forum true motoheads...
Stewart missed 3 of his possible 7 Daytona races because of injury- He won one over R/C straight up- and had very spectacular crashes in the other 3- I say the law of averages is on his side this year- One way or the other it should be fun to watch.
LOTS of good points on here...when it comes down to crunch time, I'd have to put my money on RV.He's the most consistent of the contenders & looks the most comfortable w/ his equipment. I think the main reason he tightened up at Oakland was because of the track layout. I'm diggin' the track layouts this year...a little more technical & a little less freeway-ish.
RV did NOT lose last weekend ,he got third. Placing ahead of 17 other racers, if you guys want to call that losing fine. RD, AS, KW, etc.... did NOT lose they all placed well into the top ten. Another way would be RV got beat by 2 and beat 17.
I haven't read one excuse on here just a lot of opionions on why RV did not pass CR and JS. These guys have all passed each other many times, and beaten each other many times. There are days when RD and CR pass RV and days when RV passes them. Good grief guys do you have a life? Calling each other names and getting upset over bench racing ?
I think RV decided the risk was to high for how he was riding at the time to pass them and rode within his limits that day, and I call that wise riding. I have seen RC, JS, CR, RD and dozens of others crash trying and I have seen them back down to race another day and not crash. On good days when you are feeling it you go for it. It's called a series and you can't win it in one race but you can sure lose it.
So far I haven't read a poster on here that said RV can't be beat. But for years posters have claimed JS either wins or crashes- this has proven to be VERY wrong. This is great for the sport and it is good to see JS finally be able to finish a race without going down and get a win so that he can at least stay close in points. I personally don't think RV is going to run away with this title, but I do think he will win and with larger margins than last year.
Cr and JS both blocked RV's line more than once, nothing dirty just good racing. and we all have seen days when they tried and couldn't.
I disagree that JS always or usaully crashes under pressure, case in piont Daytona last year he went down while WAY out in front with nobody pressuring him. I have seen this many times with him, on top of the regular fact that all riders go down when alone from time to time. JS just seems to go down a lot more than most. Other than that he's daamn fast.
I saw a stat on the broadcast that said Stewart won 68 out of 74 of his 450 heat races. That's a crazy stat. I guess he's nearly unbeatable for 8 laps.
Lots of talk about why things happened at the last race, as usual. The great thing about the sport is we don't have to wait very long before the next race goes, and then there's a whole other race to beat to death on these forums.
Since RC retired JS7 in his mind was unbeatable.. I think RV2 is in his head.. None of the riders were aggressive last weekend. The track must of been sketchy.. I think by year end RV2 will own him and it will be JGR and Yamaha's fault!
Oh yeah and Pirelli too!
RV took a dive! Here is why he let JS7 win.
1. Monster said they wanted JS7 to win for ticket sales.
2. His wife was kidnapped until JS7 got a win.
3. He was paid by my bookie to take a dive.
bookie.
Its only been 4 races so far, there has been 4 different winners, yet everyone keeps saying RV is the man to beat this season. well lets see:
He's been on the ground almost as much as JS
2 weeks ago he could not pass JS on the main with 6 laps to go
last week on the heat race he couldn't pass JS
on the main event RV followed JS from the start of the race until JS pulled away.
ONCE AGAIN TO ALL YOU KNOW IT ALLS, keyboard racers,
4 RACES 4 DIFFERENT WINNERS, nobody is dominating.
ENJOY THE GREAT SEASON WE ARE HAVING
OH and by the way, this saturday, JS, RD, RV or CR will win unless something really weird happens. To all you people, that does not mean that person is the dominant rider this season.
@davidl there is only one winner last I checked 1st place is the winner so yeah if your not 1st you didnt win the race. I race and if I dont get 1st place I also did not win and I'm irritated. If I had to guess and this just my opinion when the top riders dont get 1st they are pissed to, If you watch RV after races and he is on the box and not 1st place he looks irritated to me.
All 4 rounds RV2 has claimed fast lap. That's saying something. He's not going to win every week. But as of now he sure seems to be the one to beat.
I think this sport is awesome and one of the hardest sports there is. I like most of the riders and just want to see great racing and who ever wins the title will deserve it thats for sure.
I think some people on here think no one is allowed to have an opinion especially if its not their opinion. Then comes the "you key board jockeys dont know anything" comments. I guess we all should state our years riding and racing and see if we qualify. I'll start, I've been riding for about 30 years racing most of them, still racing now, Currently I won the VET B Title at a local track in my area that runs its own very popular series also won the 40 plus class title this year. I dont race professional but I know enough to have an opinion. Who's next lets see what qualifications we have going on here.
Reed had the same line off that triple every lap. He may have went a little bit wider when RV had to double but it certainly did not look like an intentional take out. Plus with 9 laps to go, RV had plenty of time to make a pass happen if he was able to.
a good one would have been number of broken vertebrae so far. what are we up too like 10?