by Aaron Hansel
450 Words: Dungey Faces the Field
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PrintIt’s no secret that Ryan Dungey doesn’t always get full credit for his winning performance in 2010. Dungey did not have to go through James Stewart or Chad Reed on his way to the supercross championship last year, which has caused some people to put an asterisk next to his championship. This doesn’t mean that Dungey wouldn’t have won the title if Stewart and Reed hadn’t crashed out of contention, but like it or not, he didn’t prove that he could beat them, either.
Enter 2011. We’re three rounds into this season, and Ryan Dungey has beaten Stewart once, and Reed twice (If you’re a Stewart or Reed fan, you can say that Dungey has lost to Stewart twice, and once to Reed). In any case, we haven’t seen anything telling enough to lead to a definitive judgment in either direction, although the race in Los Angeles did leave us with some clues.
After winning his heat race, Dungey found himself leading the main after his teammate, Brett Metcalfe, went down while running first. After thwarting multiple attempts, Dungey surrendered the lead to Stewart on lap three, and it looked like the race could be over when Stewart started to very slowly inch away. You know what happened next; Villopoto got into the mix. Maybe it was the heat RV was bringing, or maybe Dungey just needed to settle down a bit. Either way, he upped his pace, and the Ryans actually started closing in on Stewart. During the charge, Villopoto was able to pass Dungey, but Dungey refused to give up the fight and made a run at RV that would ultimately backfire, causing him to bobble and drop down to fourth behind Trey Canard.
In LA, Dungey made major progress on speed. But will consistency still be his greatest asset?
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When it was all over, Dungey took third, behind Villopoto and Stewart, in what was by far the best race of this young season. Even though he didn’t take the win, Dungey’s speed and tenacity showed that he is still capable of battling for wins in this extremely stacked class. He’s also right in the thick of the points battle. His 58 points put him in third, 14 points behind Villopoto, nine points behind Stewart, two points ahead of Trey Canard, and ten points ahead of Reed. A closer look reveals that out of the current top five riders, Dungey is sitting in the middle of four guys who didn’t complete a full season last year. It’s a reminder of just how rock-solid Dungey truly is, and a possible glimpse at what an injury-free 2010 might have looked like at this point.
Before the season started, nobody doubted that Stewart and Villopoto would be fast. However, Stewart has demonstrated a penchant for big crashes in the past, while RV has yet to complete a full season in the supercross class. Will Dungey’s steady approach be enough to prevail over the competition? Hopefully, we’ll have to wait for the checkered flag to fly at the finale in Las Vegas before we know the answer to that question.
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Dunge is the man to beat! He keeps the mental side in check, He is going to keep all the racers in check as well. Just have to believe!!!!
Why is this about Dungey or Stewart when RV came through the back of the pack to catch and pass them both !!!! I dont care if Stewart crashed or not RV was going to win that race , and he was the fastest end of story..
Oddly left out is that JS7 crashed and then caught and passed RD1 for 2nd.
When it was all over, Dungey took third, behind Villopoto and Stewart....Was he even there. the author..about time a real season that will prove the best and deserving rider.not that rd didnt but know time will tell...............
Man...its like people think Dungey completely sucks or something the way this article is written. Coming into 2010 season, RD was expected to run up front with the top 5 guys and get some wins, he was the lites SX and outdoor champ and that has been expected with all rookies basically. Winning the title his rookie year was the SHOCKER. With 2 of the top 5 guys out after round 2 in 2010 and another dominating the second half of the series before injury, Dungey was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time, did what he had to do and got the championship, that is all part of racing and he is the defending champ.....Just like when Reed won while RC was out one year and Stewart was out the other...the next year he had to step up and he got beat and did not repeat, so he always has that "asterick" next to his name as far as "being the fastest". Dungey is awesome, great kid too....but is he the fastest out there? You dont need to be the fastest to win a title..but thats what people grade you on.
I know it is hard to talk Dungey into an interview but I would like some insite from him on how he feels racing in a fast crowd , it's much different situation but in LA he rode with a lot of determination . He has traditionally been a slow starter in a new series , is this the case in his opinion ?
anyone who has watched SX for awhile knows the rider speed changes from week to week.js and rv are starting out strong.but other riders are going to win.
Dungeys start to 2011 is slow because of all his success in 2010. He accomplished everything a rider dreams of in 1 year. that has no doubt affected his off season with all the new demands of being #1. there was no way that he could match the hunger that Villopoto and Stewart had right away. now Dungey is turning it up, but it may be too late already because he isnt gonna be faster than them he will only be as fast. and with the focus and preparation Villopoto has I just dont see him messing up bad enough to change anything, he looks like he can go faster if he needs too! Dungey is 3rd best and will fight with trey for that spot
Dungey was steady, and is starting to see he needed to pick it up a bit. Bubba is calming down a little but still making some mistakes. RV has SPEED, and looks to be riding in his comfort zone. At this time he seems to have it together the most. Chad who? Or is it twenty who?
I agree, Dungy, Reed, and even Canard are getting faster each week. i just want all the riders to stay injury free. This past race in LA was probably the best I have seen in Supercross. I have seen a lot of Races too! Jamey
This is really shaping up to be a great season. All the top guys healthy and riding well. No J-Law, no fights in the pits, no rider suspensions, or other crap. Just great racing and all the top guys in the top spots. Truly a great season for fans.
They all rode awesome!! you cannot count anyone out..
Aaron...he DID beat them, the others fell and hurt themselves, Dungey did not. There's more to this sport than a lap time.
They all rode great! Rv was strong right out of the gate and had a diffrnt panic about him he was charging hard everywhere! Js didn't start riding hard until after he crashed he started scrubbing everywhere, but when he was in the lead he looked like he was out there just ridin? Dungey rode grat but hes a racer who's mental toughness can be questioned he knows @ the end of the night James passed me while i was leading crashed got up and passed me again! Thats tough as a racer to swallow.
People complain about 7 being a media darling and hogging media time...but each week so far we have had at least one article or interview about a guy who hasn't won yet, and hasn't even shown he has the speed just yet...he went frantic for a few laps because 2 was pushing him...that's it...7 falls down, catches up, passes and leaves him...keep kissing his arse racerx...
I like your take on the season so far Aaron, for once a balanced opinion not centered totally around bubba..the best race of the year so far!
There is a video interview on supercross online.com from Dodger stadium with Jim " why am I screaming into the mic" Holley and J. Alessi talking about the "incedent" with Josh Grant.....what a punk that kid is....you cant compare the Stewart / Partridge crash at PHX last year to his actions this year....Stewie made a mistake....Alessi did it on purpose....the AMA gave Alessi a written warning and more or less told him he is on thin ice and to cut the crap...go AMA!!!
@BD - I agree..I am pulling for RV and Carnard - team Ginger baby!!! - but dont mind seeing JS7 putting it to them to uphold his speed credential of fastest man on the planet. During the race this week, he turned it up when he needed and did look like he was just cruizin' at times......just a different James Stewart I think...hiting the dirt and coming pass the champ and others is impressive considering it was a 13 minute race......
OK is anyone going to argue with me this week when I say RV and JS are at another level right now?? Damn RD better get moving!! 2 weeks in a row he got beat by someone who fell!!! RV from 9th to win!!! JS passes RD twice!!!! RD leads then fights with TC for 3rd after RV comes from 9th and puts 8sec on RD!! RV you da man it a fighr betwwen you and JS now. Great Ride by Reed also. Nasty crash in the first turn and then get 7th!! Very good ride.
joshua mccollum... RD has been beat 3 out of 3 so far.
Dungy made a lot of mistakes. He messed up on the triple and thats how RV got by him, then he made a dive move a lap later to try and get RV back. Remember one thing people, Dungy is on the best bike also. Look how fast 22 was on it and how bad he was on the Kawi!
@Redbeard to me RV rode in panic mode because he was buried in the pack, He had his head down and was layin down some solid laps while RD JS & TC where tryn to protect thier lines and riding a bit defensive RV was not following and made up tons of ground I don't like this new patient JS where we wanna just hang around and sprint the last 10 laps, that worked for RC but i don't think thats good for james go out @ 100% and see what happens thats what RV did and he looked super strong that night!
Aaron - you start out this piece by talking about CR and JS7 last year, and no mention of RV's performance up to the point where he got hurt. Did you sleep through the middle of the SX season. CR for one, had no chance of beating either JS7 or RV on that Kawi, it didn't work for him, no need to mention him. RD did win the championship, no asterik need be put on it, you can't win if you don't finish. He was the best of the rest last year, only this year they are back.
The top three are pretty close on speed, I think Stewart and Poto are more willing to push it a bit more....Dunge not willing to take a chance and also not crashing....some would say maybe he's thinking about the championship yes? Remember, Dunge was the only one of these three to finish the whole season in 2010. It's a long season and I can't wait to see how it plays out!!!! I'm sure Reed, Canard and a few others will have some aggressive rides to shake the top three up too!!
Really?... JS7 & RV2 Catch and pass RD5 at will.... C'mon... i think the verdict is out.. he's lucky to stay in the top 5 this year...
I thought Dungey did pretty good Saturday myself. He ran with the two fastest guys for a while. He was right there until he tried an very ill advised block pass on Rv2 at the start straight. then he washed out a little and gave Stewie a little gap before his front end went out. But guys are talking about Stewie crashing and then passing Dungey. It isnt like Stewie went over the bars and was down long. That crash may have cost Stewie about 3 or 4 seconds. He simply laid the bike down. Yes, Dungey should have held him off or whatever, but he ran a pretty good race I thought. And RV2 was just ripping Saturday. Stewie IS NOT the fastest man on the planet, sorry fantards. Not this time. Of course they tried to call him that when RC was winning title after title too, which I still dont understand. But a great race by all in the 450 class this weekend, hope to see more like this.
Did you guys see how Ralph Shaheen was shouting when stewart was down?? LOL he has a mancrash on Stewie. RV was good man. On the SX preview predictions on tv RC,Emig and Stanton chose Dungey over RV and I said RV was a sleeper. The only question is Can RV keep it on 2 wheels and be consistent. I think JS7 has a different ball game bcoz he was riding slow until he crashed then he was closing in on everyone. Stewie is mentally controlling this thing. RV is good but If I had to choose i would say Stewie or Dungey will win the title. RV is going balls out like stewie used to do and sooner or later it will bite him and cost him the title. He will make a rookie mistake. Notice Stewie could go even faster but he chose not to. Smart riding is what it takes to win not balls out fast.
I thought this was an interesting article -- no need to bash it. Articles like this provide a little extra context and background, they aren't intended to be race reports. If you want a race report, just read it over and over all week I guess. Otherwise, don't bash on RX for putting in the effort to write articles like this to give us something to do between races!
No matter the article or the rider, people have to bash out here. I'm enjoying a great season so far, and not counting Dungey out by any means! I expect Reed and Canard to be in the mix as well. 14 rounds to go....
Give it up! Some guys crashed out so Dungey won the tittle. It was lucky but he was still the best guy who completed the championship. However, he is yet to show that he can be faster than RV or JS (except when RV was way out of shape at the start of 2010). End of story. Lets talk about it if it ever happens.
DGIZZY I don't think RV is going ball out, He looks VERY smooth and in control. BD, Either way you slice it JS passed RD 2 times. Yes he just slid out but when you are that far into a heated race and fall it can take it out of ya but he got up dug down and blew past RD AGAIN. You are one of the guys who said I want to see RD get the lead and see what happens.... Well he got the lead and we saw him get his ass handed to him. I was really hoping to see the 3 of them battle all the way but RV and JS are just better.
"bd200", I'm a little surprised that you are reluctant to give James much credit for going down and then catching and passing Dungey again!!?? I mean it's DUngey, the defending champ, we are talking about here. If these top guys are battling the way they were and they are that close on speed, a little 3 or 4 second tip-over is a pretty big damn deal!! If RD fell and caught and passed "stewie", i bet you would think it was a pretty big deal!! C'mon man, i'm trying to give these dudes credit where it's due this year, they are ALL riding great, if you've noticed, even CR is getting major props from me this year. Give it a try!! And please put that "fantard" thing to rest, it just shows your continuing dislike for most things "Stewart" related!! Just enjoy!!
Seems like several of you Supercross Gurus have earned your PHD in armchair racing and commentating! Stop drinking the Haterade! Now don't get me wrong, I'm not hatin' on anyone BUT let's throw some facts out for those who want to put an asterisk by Dungey's 2010 Championships. 1. You gotta be in it to win it! If the supposed "fastest guy out there" crashes and takes himself out...how fast is he now! JS, RV, & CR found that out! 2. consistency is the key 3. Who was the fastest guy in St Louis last season? Dungey! Remember, he's the guy that got taken out by RV with a blatant cheap shot block pass cuz that's the only chance he was gonna have at making the pass! 4. Who looped his bike out in Atlanta and stuffed so much dirt in the exhaust pipe that it was unrideable? RV! (consistency is the key) 5. Who won EVERY Championship he contested in 2010 as a 450 ROOKIE? (SX, MX & MXON!!) Dungey!! I guarantee all the haters were singing a different song back in September when he blew away the entire field to put Team USA on top of the box for the second year in a row (for him) as the MXON Champs! Oh how soon we forget! Fickle fans! There's still a lot of racing left and all the top players are healthy! Hopefully they ALL can go the distance and make it an exciting series that goes all the way down to the wire! Don't be so quick to discount any of these guys cuz in this line of work...anything is possible! And to all the riders, Keep it on 2 wheels and keep it roostin'! You guys are creating an awesome season for us fans to enjoy!
Excellent article. There are 14 weeks of racing left, it will be very interesting to see who is still standing at the end.
DG429 Who looped out there bike and landed from 20 feet up and got REAL lucky to not get hurt or even have there bike stall?? RD thats who. RD rode great last year but also had some UNREAL good luck along the way.
Reed is only going to get better as the season moves along. I think he is going to shock a lot of people on these boards.
whatever You are right, If RD fell and Past JS people would be going NUTS!! But some will never give JS any props.
Ditch Reed is riding very good, A little of the pace but not much. He has had some bad luck so far too. Would love to see him holeshot soon and see what he has. He will not hold off RV or JS if they get good starts but sure could get 3rd.
BillC. You hit the nail on the head. Championships are most often about luck. The fastest and best are not always champs. Are the Steelers and Packers the two best teams in football? No way. But they are the two left standing and that is all that counts. Supercross is a classic example of the Title going to the guy left standing with the most points and not the fastest. If is was all about speed, JS7 would have 12 total championships by now and he clearly does not.
Bill C the guys are all riding on the edge, Dungey's bobble that backed him up supplied enough bad adrenalin to him to make it seem like a crash. Stewart crashed pushing the front end, RV is hauling right now and the points reflect that, If he has a couple of nights like Reed has had it will tighten up. And Canard is in the mix too and capable of winning. I think the other level you are talking about is the right set up on the right night and the top 5 will all have those nights. I think your perceptions of your top rated riders is probably really accurate if the races all came out perfect with no hiccups but this is Supercross.... a sport made up full of adversity. Besides isn't already knowing the outcome kind of boring? Don't you ever champion the dark horse? You mention betting often so you probable see everything for the odds. I see it for the entertainment and this is fantastic right now. This isn't an argument but merely a perspective
450 words should have been about RV 10th to 1st, or JS 4th to 1st to 5th to 2nd, or TC heavy crash to back in the mix. Instead it was a part of the moto medias lick Dungeys balls campiegn.
Im an RV guy but RD1 Is rock solid and has upped his game every week. 9 points down is right there . Maybe the 20 lap sprint set by 2 - 7 - 41 caught him by surprise. well all so his endurance / patience / setup outdoors What is it about redheads that makes them let it all hang out ? Honey, pick me up some red # 3 hair coloring at Walmart ! Go 22 ! JimM CarlsbadCa
The above ws meant to read "We all saw his endurance / patience / setup outdoors"
BillC, You're right, RD1 Did loop out his bike in San Fran and still managed to pull it together for a 2nd place finish. BUT, it certainly wasn't UNREAL good luck that brought about not 1, not 2, but 3 Championships in 2010! It was merely consistency and perseverance that made the difference. Ditch- I think you're right, the best from Reedy is yet to come!
Dungey shows a little personality in the podcast with Mathes. I thought it was good anyway. I am very biased though! Don't count him out yet. I believe he's just staying in the mix and not getting out of his comfort zone yet. Doesn't want to through it away and he'll start pushing the limit as the season progresses.
I cant wait for the outdoors, especially if all are healthy and JS7 races the series. Like the SX series, Dungey got a step up and a lot of help/luck from not having a "stacked" field and if Dungey was out, Metcalf would have won the series and people would be saying " there was nobody on the gate to race against"....Dungey is champ and you cant take that away from him, he earned it...now he needs to back it up and do it again. So far I am seeing what I expected. He may win some races when some of the guys have some bad night and be in contention in SX, he is a great rider.....But if all get out of the gate well like Saturday, I expect the same results....And outdoors,,,,,Villopoto will SMOKE em....If RV didnt get hurt in 2010, I think he would of had a perfect outdoors season like RC and JS7.....key ingedient...dont get hurt RV!!!!
Is Dungey even old enough to buy a beer yet??? He's still a fresh youngster to the tour if you ask me. He still has so much to learn. People have already written him off, IDK why. Stewey could crash tomorrow and RD would be swapping moto wins w/ poto. He proved to be faster than Trey, and Everybody is on trey's nuts??? I'm a poto fan, but people are so confused and stupid
Right now RV and JS are in their comfort zones for speed. RV just came into that zone and has already developed the confidence needed going against a dude that has just made it seem effortless. I think he's learning what it takes to beat him and I'm glad because I like competitors giving it their all and earning it. RD on the other hand will have to change things up from last year to reach their speed, if he thinks that's what it will take this year and TC is just starting to come into his own and is gaining confidence. Either way I'm glad their all healthy because they all seem like decent guys and its good for the sport.Go RV!.
I'm trying to figure out why people keep riding this dude's sack (Dungey). We all know exactly why he won the titles last year. Now, as predicted, he shows he can't hang with the top guys. They are simply way faster than him. RV and JS7 pass the dude with no problem at all. It's a joke. He's a good kid, but the whole wannabe RC act and his virgin antics are getting old. Dude is a square, man.
This was definitelly the best race of the season so far and its still verye early to guess, but they're all very close and all will get better as the season moves on. This is shaping up to be a great series, hopefully they will all stay healthy. So far Dungey needs a little more speed and Reed needs better starts. Now the only thing we need is better broadcasts, The Lites class on SPEED channel was wwwwwwaaaaayyyyyyyy better than the 450's on CBS.
RV, was asked on the podium if he thought he had made a statement with the nights race? I think he made a HUGE statement to the other racer's... DON'T FALL DOWN!!!
If neither one falls, one of these 2 will always be the winner and I've yet to see anyone else give me reason to think otherwise.
DMC, incase you didn't notice, RV and JS arent much faster then RD, if at all. A lot of people are saying RV is in his comfort zone. I didn't notice him looking relaxed on the bike at all last round, maybe at A1, but not the past 2 rounds. JS is more patient, and that will help him, but everyone is also forgetting, just because RD is fairly new to the 450 class, he will not always have the best races. He's still trying to get the feeling for it all, whereas RV and JS have much more experience then him and it will aid their case. Also, Aldon Baker is the trainer for both RV and JS, and I don't know Dungey's training routine, but as far as I know, he made it himself. Maybe he should look into getting an actual trainer to help him and chances are, he will be back on the top step of the podium again soon.
RD definitely has more competition this year vs. last year. He seems a little off the pace of RV and Stewart but not by much. Canard is right up in the mix too... and if Reed would get a start I bet he would be right there as well. We can't ask for better racing than what went down in LA. I agree with DGIZZY on the smart racing fact.
If dungey was the new sherrif like all his fans said coming into 2011.. he would not have been past back by stewart or villopoto... hew would have ran away with the race as everyone says he keeps the mental side under control. Face the music ppl stewart and villopoto are on a diffrent level above the rest, always have been! anaheim 1 did you not see how stewart landed that jump and hit the next corner for the pass on villopoto? thats what i mean, dungey would have yard sailed if he tryed that!
@ Brian - Dungey new to the 450 class?...He is the reigning champ....no excuses about getting a "feel for it" if your champ....Being the champ and saying he is "new "to the class only backs up the "he was handed" the title theory.....He actually has more races under his belt in the 450 class than Villopoto....so they are even as far as experience on the bike goes, if anything RD has more time on the bike and healthy time more than anything... RD has a trainer I believe he worked with Johnny O the past few years and his conditioning isnt an issue...I
I kind of get the sense theres a double standard going on here. I mean sure, Dungey's Supercross championship came due to the injuries of Stewart and Villopoto, but can't you say the same about Reed? Both of his championships came because either Carmichael or Stewart was injured, but I don't see anyone discrediting his. If racing was all about speed then there would be no point in even racing, because Stewart is the fastest man on the planet, period. If you don't believe me check the lap times, but injury is no excuse for losing a championship and whining about it won't change a thing. Its about showing up week-in and week-out and taking care of buisness and at the end of the year all that matters is being on top the leaderboard. So for Stewart, Villopoto, Dungey, Canard, Reed, and all the rest- may the best (not nessicarily fastest) win, and winner takes bragging rights.
I know the truth always hurts......but again, as I was saying all last year, Dungey is a
"Paper Tiger". Great racing!
RC4=The G.O.A.T. Meet RV2=(future)The G.O.A.T. 2
'Nuff said
man i think everyone needs to calm down on stewart he is recklass dungey beat his straight up last year and damn near beat stewart the first round dungey has it in him hes just gotta step it up a bit and i guarantee he can and will as for stewart he will probably crash him self out once again nothing new
I really have to stop reading these comment sections.....between straight-up, straight-down, asterisks, wouldas and shouldas........couldas and wont's. Makes my head hurt.
Aaron Hansel do you ride? I didnt think so! Please stop discediting RD for last year. Anyone can ride poorly or over their head and crash out of a series like JS and RV did. The winner stays this side of that line. He deserves FULL credit.
JS7 and RV were at their comfort zone now and RD is gaining some speed..We will not forget the guy who bring honor to team USA in the MXd...He simply beat all the top guys of the world...Anyway,my top 3 choice on any weekend and by the series end,it's gonna be JS7,RV and RD
KTM SUX
@B-KR- Mine too. I'm stating the facts. Ricky is the greatest, fastest, whatever that threw a leg over a motorcycle. Before him, it was who? Roger a.k.a. The Man. We all know. Ok, now fast forward to the 2006 Outdoor season. Who was "the man" that blew everyones minds for the next 3 1/2 years? Villopoto. Domination. Stewart is the star that shined too bright and big, too fast, and unfortunately ended up a supernova. He still can redeem himself by winning, but lets face it. 'Ol Stewie has just gone past his expiration date. Villopoto is only 21 yrs old and has the next (at LEAST) 5 seasons to absolutely dominate like Carmichael did. Like Villopoto did in the Lites class. Give him time, and pray for him no injuries, and mark my words. .Stewart is the fastest (black) man to throw a leg over a bike. Right underneath Villopoto, and Carmichael. (Yes, I made a push at the claim that Stewie has so much of his publicity in the sport because he is an anomoly in the sport as far as his skin color goes. With all do respect though, he is fast, and he does win a lot). I bow to Ryan Villopoto and no other
Dungey was leading, was caught and passed by stewart who started a couple spots behind him. Then caught and passed by Villo who rounded turn one around 12th, then passed again by stewart who fell. How are you guys concluding Dungey's almost or just as fast as either of them?
I'm also a fan of Reeds, but it doesn't mean that he won his outdoor championship because he was the fastest man alive. Same goes for RD1. Yeah, ok, he's fast, and he won, and he's young and whatnot, but he's never done anything breath-taking, besides when he got his knocked out of him whenever he rides over his head. (Ex. Carmichael, Stewart, Villopoto, pretty much anyone that tried to ride a motorcycle and use all 5 gears at 10000 RPMs 24/7) My point is, Reed won his championships when the other top competitors were out, and while yes, he was able to take it up a notch, he simply wasn't able to match the other worldly powers of Stewart. He won't win this year unless Dungey, Villopoto, and Stewart all wipe themselves out. Same goes for Dungey. You get my picture
smee113, the difference between Reed and Dungey to me is the fact that Reed could go to the next level and put up a fight and sometimes even beat those guys strait up (he has around 20 victories when JSorRC were on the track). Dungey hasn't show the ability to do that yet. Maybe he can maybe he can't, I just don't think he's earned any all time status quite yet.
Anyone catch Bubbas post race comment: "You can't win them on the ground, but this wont happen again"? I'll take that bet! Now he's making statements that are extremely difficult if not impossible to come through on. Going 14 races without laying it down once is a longshot. The competition has risen to his level and it's getting into that big head of his. Keep up the good work guys it's shaping up to be one hell of a season.
LISTEN UP HANSLEG IM SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE BASHING ON KTMS! WE WOULD ALL BE SPEAKING CHINESE IF WE DIDNT JOIN THE VIETNAM WAR AFTER THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR IN 65 SO I RESPECT YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH BUT DONT BE DUMBE. AND LEERN HOW TOO SPELL IDIOT!
First off KTMFANBOY, get your facts straight. We were bombed in 1937, not 65. second, im half irish so ilready speak chinese so i dont give a flip. and you wanna know how i know KTM SUX real good? cause your mom is jelus of their suxin skillz. word up
WOW.....HANSLEG. FIRST OFF YOU DIDNT SPELLE SUXIN RITE, THIRD YOUR MOM AND YOU DONT KMOWE YER HISTORY! ANYWAYS....KTM SUX
This site now needs a discussion board to talk about these.articles. One thing about Dungey is he did match Villopoto's speed last year at Daytona - and that pace they were running was FAST!
WOW........guys can't you enjoy a nice season so far? Some of you make RD seem like he's a mid packer. Give him some respect, he is the defending champ, like it or not. I think he proved the last race last year was no fluke.Why don't you wait until RV, TC and JS win it all before kicking RD in the nuts. Let me ask you this. Did RD make the racing last sat.more exciting or not? Just enjoy the racing.
I thought Dungy looked great and was extremenly fast. Who knows what would have happened had he not made that mistake when trying to pass Villopoto. Villopoto has been flawless though. All I can say is it was one hell of a fun race to watch.
Why a 17 round series? It seams most of you think you have it figured out already. RV is the new King; JS is the 2nd FMOTP and the rest from RD to last should not even be on the same track. Where are we going to find people worthy to race 2 and 7? Put a fork in Supercross and MX...they're done, waste of time, no competition, no progression and completely static with no change. LOL. The only thing I'm betting on is although some of you may think you know how things will shake out, none actually do. And there in my friends is the value of entertainment. Hate less and appreciate more.
Nite nite Dungey. Don't invest in that larger trophy mantle you were dreaming about. It won't be necessary.
The racing was awesome and I cant wait for the next round. I only hope for all the riders to stay healthy the whole season, that way all the bashing is put to rest this year. So far it's been the best racing in years. One question has anybody seen a guy who used to post "Dungey rules!! ???
It's always the same. All the Monday morning quarterbacks are here. @Redbeard65 - Dungey "actually has more races under his belt in the 450 class than Villopoto"? Did you just start watching last year? Villopoto started his career before Dungey, entered 450s before Dungey, and along the way, Dungey took wins from the older, more experienced RV2 in 'poto's final 250 season, and again in Dungey's first 450 season (RV's 2nd yr in 450). @drG - Were you actually watching the 250s when RV and Townley were back and forth for an entire outdoor season? (Yes, the same Townley who couldn't touch Dunge last year.) RV was awesome on the 250 (I was there at the Budds MXdN), but dare I say you're overstating a bit? My point regarding Villopoto: he's riding great, but three races into the season and he's the new RC? Hold onto your horses, boys! And I love the "Dungey is boring" crowd. I'll take his life over yours any day! The only ones on Dungey's "sack" are the bottom feeders who are writing off a just-21 year old kid who's already got more National championships (plus MXdNs) than 99.999% of riders who've ever thrown a leg over a bike. For those of you who bring an inkling of sense to these posts, I apologize for the rant. For the rest, it sucks to be you.
DES nations . Stewy, dungy, villo on 250f. Just think, dungey handeleddddd it last year. dungey is still so young and such a fast consistent rider, great job dungey!
Dungy knows that it's a 30 race season (SX, MX & MXoN) He's not going to do anything stupid this early in the season. He will get stronger as the season goes on. It's been 3 years scince Bubba or RV have raced a whole season. If I had to bet one of them to be there at the end, it would be Dungey.
@TomCat- I think it was yzsean who would say dungey rules! I havent seen him though
Oh for pete sake, what a bunch of bla bla bla bla bla... !!! Sit down, shut up, and hold on!!! It's racing for cryin out loud... pick pick pick, pick you nose. I think we should all stand on our heads and yell mary popins and say rubber baby buggie bumpers realy fast three times! And then go for a cheeseburger and fries. When it's all said and done there's no doubt that somebody will find something wrong with something and then ***** and moan and complain about it. I think the championship will be won by one of the Ryan's if James doesn't take it. Shake and bake don't be fake for pete sake chocolate cake with a rake by the lake jake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hee hee, ho ho, ha ha, la la, bla bla bla....
We are heading to RD. 4, and the gurus here are counting someone out already at this early. We'll never know what Dungey has in his mind right now, but I feel he's riding too safe the last 3 rounds. I am not an RD fan, but he is still a threat to the title. When he bobbled, trying to pass RV in LA, he backed up a little bit, and rode as safe as he could. He must loosen himself and ride wide open, otherwise either of the 2 upfront could slip and run away with the championship.
Dungey #1 is not only fast he's smart , he use to ride and crash on the lite class and now keep,s it on 2 wheel when it counts, js7 is blazing fast but can't keep it on the track ...if rv2 can stay healthy were on for a long term battle for the tittle...
If you want to put an asterik next to Dungy then you need to put two next to Reed since Ricky sat out for knee and then James got hurt the other year he won.
Tye Simmons the road has begun WATCH THIS SPACE!!!!!
Sef154 Get real. U say "All the Monday morning quarterbacks" BS.. I said this would happen LAST year and this year before the first race and lots of other guys said it too. Funny how when RD won a rce by the skin of his ass he was the greatest but RV comes from 12th passes RD and puts 8 secs on him and people say RD is right there with RV and JS who passed RD 2 X's. WAKE up people RD is NOT right there with RV or JS. HE is DOWN 14 points 3 races in.Could he win it in the end.. Sure but not because he is a better or faster rider because he might not get hurt. But if he is going to ride around in 3rd or 5th and "HOPE" that RV and JS get hurt he is a chump. RV and JS have proven they can win championship... Pretty sure JS has more than RD. Not knocking RD just the people that say he is there with RV and JS.
Stewart passed dungey, fell then passed him again. nuff said!
Funny, you telling me to get real, Bill. You've argued some of the most untenable points I've seen out here since joining this fray. Which part of my post wasn't real? The one where Dungey is a year behind Villo in experience yet has beaten him several times? The part where Villo hasn't earned the status of a pimple on RC's ass yet? (Not saying he can't, but he hasn't.) I would love to see RD come back and win races "straight up" against these guys, if for no other reason than to shut people like you up, and there's no reason to think it can't happen, based on an ACTUAL look at the past. Don't give me your "real" BS. You're one of the worst when it comes to unreasonably bashing the top racers in the world if they didn't win THIS WEEK. Go shovel some snow or something. Or maybe stick your head in it.
Sometimes when someone wins alot people tend to get tired of it, maybe that's why some get on RD and JS. It'll turn on RV if he keeps winning you watch. I just can't believe some of you are FANS of this sport with all the bashing of riders, no respect. Hey I got to give props to Brayton, for as good that TC was riding Brayton wasn't too far behind.
I've followed pro sx & mx racing for many years, all the way back to the 80's. I've also rode and raced my whole life, and make my living through my own MC/ATV shop. I think this is going to be an epic year, probably the best we have seen in years and maybe ever. I think all the riders are great or they wouldn't be where they are at. I think its good to have favorites that you root for, but theres no need to down play the talent of others because their not the one your pulling for. Everybody talks about who won this weekend or last weekend, but remember these weekend races are only one of many. As for the championship it doesn't matter who you raced or who you didn't, its who prevailed through the whole season with the least amount of injuries and bad luck. Theres no since in people bashing one for winning because someone else was hurt. This is a high risk sport and the better man prevails at the end of the year, regardless of who raced and who didn't, who was hurt and who wasn't. Just plain and simple its who had the best year because its called a championship not a single race. I think we have seen good races already this year but I feel the best races are ahead. There is still going to be repeat winners but I also feel that there are a few more that cannot be counted out for a win. I feel that on the right night with the right setup and start there are several more capable of winning which I think would make this year the best ever. As for all the bashers unless you are on their level as a racer and rider you should keep your negative opinions to yourself. Go to the track, practice, ride & race and then when you can show up at the next round and make the top 20 your opinion may mean something. As probably most of the bashers are couch racers who has an opinion but no skills.
@sef154 - No sir, I have been in the sport for many years as a fan and racer. Yes, last year was RV's 2nd year in 450, however my point was, 1st year he missed a few SX races I beleive and he missed the entire outdoor season (except when he slaughtered everyone at Glen Helen at Rnd 1) and we all know what happened last year.....he missed the last few SX races and entire outdoors again....so "time on the bike" was what I was commenting on. Dungey should "have a feel" for the 450 is all i am saying....RD did beat RV for the overall in the 2008 250 outdoors on a few occasions....RV won 90% of the motos that year in 2008 an dungey squeased out a few wins....Dungey is a great rider....he should win races.....
Sef154 I said get real about your "All the Monday morning quarterbacks" coment. Why do you get pissed so easy when someone disagrees with your point??GROW UP and stop the dumb coments like stick your head in the snow. If you can't post without acting like a 9 year old don't bother. PS. RD is hardly a year behind RV, RV missed many SX's is first year when he was sick so race for race there pretty close... Way lass then a 17 race year as you say. You might just be pissed because your golden boy is getting his ass kicked right now. Also If you read more of these threads you might know that I said HE WILL WIN some races so don't make dumb coments like u hope he wins to shut people like me up because you look like an ass for saying it. I likje your RD has beaten RV.. LMFAO!!! how many times has RV beaten RD??A LOT more than RD beat him so what was your point there??
Just want to point out that what brand of bike these guys are riding makes no difference. Dungey is on the fastest bike? Based on what test? Suzuki wasnt winning anything until Carmichael showed up, and the bike he rode for them was already out when he got there. The reason Reed started good on Suzuki and not on the Kawasaki was testing. When Reed rode for Suzuki he had lots of testing time to get the bike set up before he started racing it. With Kawi Reed signed late and had very little time to test and set up. There is so much stuff that can legally be changed on these bikes that a factory mechanic could make a Kawi handle like a Suzuki and run like a Honda. The only bike that would be tough to copy would be the Yamaha because of its motor and the way it affects the handling of the bike. Perfect example is Metcalf, he has ridden for all the major brands and his results pretty much stay the same. Also look at the finishing order of the race. Top ten has 3 Yamahas 3 Hondas 2 Suzukis 1 KTM, and 1Kawasaki ( the winner).
Funny how Reed rode the same bike as RV in 2010 and did nothing but complain about it....and RV went out and killed it once he got his head on straight....I think Reed just had a hard time facing defeat and being ill...especially when he gets smoked and isnt even in the running. Didnt he set the quickest lap time at Daytona (the roughest track on the tour) his 1st race back after being out with a broken hand and win Hangtown???...yeah, that Kawi must have been a roach....I think he wasnt the "star" player at Kawi and that was the main problem.....Now he has his own team and can do what "he " wants.....no one to blame but himself and he is being a man and doing just that.....
Good point Red. Last year Villipoto and Reed were on the same bike. Villipoto's season didn't start well but that was because of a crash, not the bikes fault. Also the Kawasaki was fine when Stewart rode it to a SX title and a perfect outdoor season.
The whole " testing" and all that to get the bike absolutley perfect amazes me sometimes....when I raced, my bike was a POS on occassion and I went out and raced my ass off and sometimes won sometimes lost......JS7's bike last year was compared to a bucking bronco.....but he still won round one...it was just ugly...Having a couple clicks on the suspension shouldnt mean win or lose.....maybe lead to some arm pump or some hard landings....talent shoudl outweigh set up.....its not like they gave Reed a stock bike and said " go race this buddy"......
There's a whole lot of racing still on the table and I'm not counting anyone out yet....RV=still hasn't finished a whole season yet. JS7="checkers or wreckers" won't win a championship in this field. CR22=Still sorting out his team/bike. TC41=Progressing nicely. RD=Right there among the tops. This series hasn't even left CA yet and people are already writing guys out of this title hunt. Seems premature.....
Also, Championships aren't won in the first 5/6 rounds of racing. We haven't seen any of these riders facing any kind of adversity.....yet.
Barring injury or mechanical DNF's, either RV or JS is going to win it this year. Those two have another level of speed above their competition right now.
BILLc, you say some guys will never give Stewie any props, kinda like some guys will never give Dungey any props either right?? Some guys say he was lucky and thats how he won the title last year. I guess it was luck he won the 450 Nationals, too. Oh yea, and the Motocross of Nations 2 years in a row, that was luck also. Talk about a guy who cant get props from people..
BillC, that was one of the dumbest responses I've ever read. So I'm not "real," according to you, because I used the term "Monday morning quarterback"? That's the basis for your response? My points were specific and factual. Dungey is getting his ass kicked? That's an interesting perspective. I'm left without any way to argue with you, because you only throw out vague, insulting comments that don't even deserve a response. In fact, you’re one of the reasons I've stayed off these posts for awhile. It's an exercise in futility. Dungey is getting his ass kicked ... he has just as much experience as Villopoto…. These are truly gems ... in their own twisted way. Oh, and RV has won more than RD? Yes, and each time, he was A YEAR more experienced. (But it’s Dungey: 2 450 championships, RV: 0.) BTW, RV missed races in ’09 while Dungey raced eight times in Lites. Duh. RD caught right up to him, didn’t he, Bill? I suppose while RV was traveling the country as a heavily-sponsored amateur and Dungey raced a more limited B class schedule from that MX mecca of Minnesota they were getting equal experience too, right? RV’s a year ahead, PERIOD. I’m sure you’ll have an equally dumb response to this. I'll try to stay "real" by avoiding reading it. I feel dumber every time I read one of your posts.
Too early to tell who will win. For all we know yo mum could take the championship. Drop an upper decker and go back to yo meaninglessness. DMG OUT!!!
Once again you miss the whole point sef, Please then do as you say and don't read my post's anymore or just go away again, It was nice without u around anyway.
dungey is so hyped up to be the best bein he won one season because so many people were out and hurt,so now people think hes a god,dont get me wrong id lvoe to see the guy take the champ title again but you cant be bummed when he loses..hes still basically a rookie,alll offff the guys out there have way more time inn the races and know more about this than dungey,hes still a pup and needs to work his way up,RV might be fast but hes not "kdub smooth"..he just goes,windhams the smoothest rider out today,he may be old but hes still top ten every round and hes still makin a living for his family..stewarts comin back and he looks like hes been out there for years now..hes startin to slow down and get the hang,you heard him say,"i was only able to ride about 75% due to the slippery conditions",if you ask me hes alot smarter and is aware of things now,canards learnin..the end,i would love to see RV go down this season but i wasn dungey or bubba to beat him evenly..or how about a windham come back? that would be too sweet right? yall stop cryin like girls and talk about motocross.
You want RV to get hurt FoyBoy517?? If so thats sad!! a Windham come back?? Now thats FUNNY!!!
whats funny is you act like a moto god,and nah i was RV to go down as in get his balls kicked by every other guy thats better than him! windham come back would be more historic than RV winnin,windhams motocross' most loved racer,hes a fan favorite,yea that would be awesome..your a jerkoff who honestly knows nothin of the sport
LOL what ever. I know this, K-Dub aint wining any SX title. LMFAO!!! as for getting his balls kicked by everyone thats better than him..... well that is a short list this year... Yup just check there is NO LIST he is the points leader. 1,2,1 so far, that must piss u off. LOL
well if you were any dumber i couldnt talk to you..kdub is like ten million years old,hes a veteran and the most loved racer today..accept that my friend...i said i wish he could make a comeback,looks to me that your not all that smart and you suck up to RV..until you say somethin smart,dont talk to me..go study some racin queer..RV isnt a fan favorite..he just started winnin so yall are jumpin on the band wagon,if jeff allessi started winnin,youd jump there too..ha you crack me up..and the whole short list crap? theres the same amount of riders each year,list is just as long bud..
Well if you knew anything you would know I am NOT an RV band wagon jumper. Its people like you who stop in here from time to time and don't know jack about what other people post when your not here that make this place stink sometimes. and nice 3rd grade insult, Queer did u come up with that one yourself or did your BF help ya?? Grow up little boy.
ha..the ol boyfriend crap,if theres anyone with any knowledge at all in this room please step forward now,lol