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Friday, March 22, 2013 | 9:05 AM
ODI dates back to the 1980’s as the leader in grip manufacturing. Focusing primarily on the bmx and mountain bike industries through the 90’s and early 2000’s, ODI re-entered the motocross scene when they developed the patented lock-on grip system that eliminates wire and glue. Continuing to advance the way riders hold on to their bikes, ODI has worked closely with the teams they support such as Troy Lee Designs to create the product that is now being used by some of the top teams in the industry.
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First off I enjoy your column and check it out every Friday. Keep up the good work! I'm an old timer by today's standards as I raced in the 70's and early 80's, however my friends and I still ride and race Vintage ads Post vintage and still go fairly well. I only mention this to possibly show my naivety in the following question.
The subject came up on performance enhancing drugs (PED) in sports and Motocross in particular. I explained that I felt that the current generation of racers had really stepped up their game and are by far the most fit athletes in pro sports. A good friend of mine agreed, but also felt strongly that at the top level of any pro sports a good portion of the athletes had to be using some form of (PED) to make that final step and to satisfy their sponsors. When I stopped to think about it and looked at the background of some of the trainers and the lack of quality drug testing from the AMA or other pro sports I thought, why not?
This may be a bit too controversial however I'd like your opinion on this subject!
Totally understandable if you don't print this.
Best
Philip Busch
Pretty sure this guy is doing it naturally.
There is no question that today’s champions are incredibly fit and dedicated athletes. It sounds like you are putting some of the pieces of the puzzle together yourself. You have young athletes looking for any kind of performance advantage, former cyclists acting as trainers to many different riders and a PED testing policy that is questionable at best. Even if the policy were more stringent, the testing procedures are years behind the curve when it comes to masking agents and drugs. Lance Armstrong fooled the world for a decade and he was being rigorously tested. If it weren’t for pissed off French nationals who hated to see an American [a cocky Texan, at that] come in and steal their biggest prize for seven years they would have given up the chase long ago and Lance would have never been caught. For ten years he fooled them! So it is conceivable that a motocross rider could slip through the deft clutches of the AMA and their policies. What would be the drug of choice? HGH is likely one of the top choices. This drug would allow you to stack heavy training days on top of one another and make gains at a rate significantly higher than if you were not using it. I won’t even begin to speculate on some of the exotic drugs being used by top cyclists, but just to give you perspective, the one guy who didn’t take any PED’s in last year’s Tour De France is just crossing the finish line riiiiigggght now. Nice work, fella.
With drug testing policies still years behind the new drugs coming out, the only way to catch athletes is to store urine samples for five to ten years and allow those to be scrutinized as new testing methods come out. By that time the money is already made [or spent in many cases] and it wouldn’t even be relevant. My suggestion is just enjoy the racing. Remember, ignorance is bliss.
PING
Dear Ping,
After watching you talk about your new retro looking RMZ 450 (it looks sick by the way) I got to thinking about bikes in my past that fit like a glove and the ones that were some evil handling moto machines. What bikes from your past do you dream about at night and what ones leave you with nightmares (other than the 2002 KTM 125).
Best,
Gstine
This thing was a rocket. Looks really old now though.
I do love my RMZ450. It is definitely the best all-around bike I’ve ever had. While I was racing I had some bikes that had different strengths and weaknesses. For example, my 1998 FMF Honda CR125 was the best handling race bike I ever had. You could aim that thing down the roughest straight you could find and it would stay completely straight. Of course that could have been because it made all the horsepower of an electric leaf blower. My best chance of getting a holeshot on that thing was to throw it over my shoulder when the gate dropped and run like hell. Probably my favorite race bike ever was my Bill’s Pipes Suzuki in 1999 and 2000. I won a couple races on those bikes and they were fast, nimble and comfortable. My KTM’s were actually quite fast, even back then. Suspension was always an issue and we struggled to get a setup that would go through whoops and still handle hard landings. And of course that whole piston-cracking-in-half thing was a bit of a nightmare but, hey, I don’t hold a grudge. No, really, I’ve let it go. [Note to self: Leave a burning bag of dog poo at KTM’s doorstep this week].
PING
Hey, Pinger,
What is the deal with the Muscle Milk girls squeezing in on Justin Barcia’s Speed Channel interviews at Daytona? I know sponsors need their product to be seen, but that was a little annoying. I couldn’t focus on what Barcia was saying when two hot girls are holding a bottle of milk right in front of their chest. The correlation of the two sent some kind of subliminal message that I still can't decipher.
Sincerely,
Tim
I want to thank Muscle Mammaries…Uh, Mothers Milk… Breast milk…boobies. Mama.
So, the pretty girls with the boobies were really a problem for you? Really? Really? Just tell me you didn’t get done watching the race and immediately call your mother.
PING
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Good answer on the PEDs. What the difference if they do or don't? It doesn't affect us, the spectators. Unfortunately RV or JS could afford HGH but a guy like Albertson could not.. Which isn't really fair but seriously.. Would any PED decrease your lap times?? Not likely.. But it would help finish a Outdoor national in 104 degree heat at Kenworthy.
Riders are paid to win, what they take is their business. If you eliminate drugs, then eliminate factory bikes too because its almost the same advantage.
Poor lance, the man has given everything for cancer and now he is looked at as a criminal. How cut throat a society we can be.
I heard Ryan Hughes drank Red Bull in 2003, we should take those national wins back from the performance enhancements of caffeine and taurine.
@Tim; Yeh, fer sure totally dude!!!
Love & Mother's,
#51
Big difference between HGH and taurine. I don't believe it's the riders business if they take the drugs. Drugs are illegal. Factory bikes are legal to a point. If it goes past that point, such as traction control, then penalties and suspensions are in order. Hate to bring it up again but drugs and traction control and cheating all kind of bring me back to the red cross flag discussion. Cheating is cheating. If you have to win at any cost, you aren't a winner.
throw it over my shoulder when the gate dropped and run like hell.
Made my day, great humor
Z
Who cares if you missed what Barcia was saying.He has the worst interviews this side of Josh Hansen.But he is getting better at those.
If testing for PED's is going to be "it's too difficult/expensive" it should be the same for recreational drugs. In theory, a rider could take something to give an unnatural advantage while another rider could smoke a fatty (which is legal in some parts) and be suspended or penalized. It is just like most law enforcement, they go after the easy targets. What about riders using prescription painkillers while racing? Oh, those are legal forms of heroin/opium and cocaine, don't kid yourself because they are.
I believe it is rampant and I believe the biggest example of the abuse was RC - why he has man tits now -
As a matter of fact this week one of the biggest players in the PED game will be releasing names of European stars (Tennis, Football/Soccer, Cyclists) if pressured by WADA.
Here in the USof A we have an organization that would be more than willing ti do the policing of illegal PED's they are USADA and were instumental in the compilation of evidence that bought down Armstrong - after the Fed's refused to prosecute.
If USADA is allowed to police illegal use (and if the AMA lets them - yeah right) we will see a great leveling of the playing field in MX/SX - - do you "racers" out there really think it is the "works bike advantage" - please give me a break - Andrew Short has had finishes as good on his showroom Honda as he did on his Factory honda.
What in the hell makes Aldon Baker worth $120,000 per year (what RV pays him) Think about that... Take your blinders off folks - the reason why James Stewart stopped working with him (after he picked him up when RC retired)...it'll all be coming out soon - in a book - can't say much more but you heard ithere first.
BTW the more hot girls the better - has always been my motto! off to San Juan tomorrow as a matter of fact - gonna get down and dirty. In the legenday words of the old Dirty Bast#*d - "i'm the dirtiest thing in sight - matter fact bring out the girls and let's have a mud fight"
Peace - on vacation.
Ping says the 98 FMF CR125 was the slowest bike he's ever ridden but didn't Jason McCormick beat RC at Washugal that year?
One last thing before some of you rake me over the coals about "bashing" RV - I am not - EVERY champion in ANY sport has a similar backstory - do we need to be reminded of the Lance Armstrong story?.
I have watched Ryan Villopoto's "a champion" just like you - if your heartstrings were tugged and you got that warm and fuzzy feeling - fine. But my rose colored glasses were removed a long time ago.
Lots of comments about PED's but the only thing that really matters is lap times and there are no PED that can lower them so until then why would anyone bother taking something that could get them suspended or banned from racing.
Once again...thank you Misoheye. I suck at getting my point across apparently so thanks for the help.
What's the difference in taurine and HGH? Did you know that energy drinks are now illegal in some places? It's a drug, it just doesn't cost as much.
Consistency is key, and yes if a rider uses a narcotic to ride because of pain how do you classify that?
I saw just leave it alone and let it go.. Every year they add something new to the list such a sudafed because pseudo-ephedrine helped endurance. It's a never ending battle to make everyone drink only water.
Lance ruined people lives to get what he wanted and protect his secret. I hear his teamates hated him.
Dinosaur please don't use the Andrew short production bike example. The two races he finished 6th and 7th on the stocker was when 9 riders went down in the first turn. The following week he was 13th on the stock Honda. Yes, a factory bike matters. They are much lighter, better equipped, better setups, and faster. Andrew short said leaving the factory bike was like going from a Ferrari to a station wagon in his interview. Which would you rather race?
Cigarettes used to be PHD's
http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Smokers-Posters_i290763_.htm
When you think about the dangers of taking HGH and the long term side effects and all that, then you think about the dangers of seat bouncing a triple coming out of a tight corner with the landing leading into a off-camber tight left hand before a rhythm section - It is hard to compare the two dangers. One is a "tomorrow" danger, and the other is a "Zach Bell moment", and the drugs end up looking pretty safe in comparison.
Risks in racing are as common as sand on the beach. Don't hold a double standard for our athletes - let them chart their progress any which way they want. They could opt to be a homless bum clutching a bottle of night-train instead of physically on point and mentally focused. Would that make you feel better?
It is better to embrace PEDs and teach people how to limit their impact on the body than to pretend that they don't exist. It isn't like there is a cartel growing them in Afganistan using slave labor.
Get real, and pull your head out of the sand. Drugs are here, and it is time we deal with them like logical people, rather than a freaked out den mother.
Before we go too far, I will certainly admit your right tho, that to a point a factory bike doesn't hold as MUCH of an advantage as it did ten or twenty years ago.
I say DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO WIN.
When it comes to PSD's I personally think it is BS the way the USADA handled Lance Armstrong's situation. In our judicial we have something called double jepardy, his test from when he won were good by those standards. So now they have better more accurate ways of testing and he fails??? So what do we do keep testing until we get what we get the result we want.
Don't get me wrong I am not for using PED's but there needs to be a time line to retest.
You can't even be a top amateur cyclist until you have mastered the use of these drugs. So, if Lance Armstrong was using the same drugs that every other competitor was at the time, how was he cheating again???
And also, there will never be testing that works. There will always be (always has) new drugs that there are no test for yet, along with masking agents etc etc etc
Also many other ways to not get caught. Example: There was an American female track star......very muscular......very very successful. She had some crazy long fingernails which made no sense........until you realize she uses them to puncture a bag of someone elses urine inside her when giving her urine sample. Lots of stories like this in sports. Get a clue people.
There is little doubt that most of these guys are using PED's. There's no way naturally RV and the gang can run the same lap times from the first lap to the last lap of an outdoor national when it's 90 degrees outside. Who is Aldon Baker? Oh yea, a former cyclist. And what is tied to those guys? Oh yea, a drug called EPO. It enhances the ability for your blood cells to carry oxygen to a fatigueing muscle group. Do I care? Not at all because you have to remember. The guys that are fast while using PED's would still be the fast guys even if there were no PED's.
If there everr was a test that worked for every PED (which there never will be),and everyone was totally clean, the same people would win.
@Prime:....and who is Reeds trainer?....LOL
"Armstrong fooled the world for a decade and he was being rigorously tested. If it weren’t for pizzed off French nationals who hated to see an American [a kocky Texan, at that] come in and steal their biggest prize for seven years they would have given up the chase long ago and Lance would have never been caught."
.He could have got away with it but when he did the race years later it alowed them to reopen the case from what i heard.
That's funny i quote from Ping but they wont let me post because of bad language. I had to edit pigs words!!
griffter....I believe he trains himself.
If PEDs and top trainers are showing up in moto, I am afraid to say what it really means. It means that our sport has finally made it to the big time as a professional sport, and there is money to be made.
So if a person can't take PED's for ethical and medical reasons screw them??.
@Prime: he WAS working with Armstrongs old trainer last I heard....maybe not anymore?
South park addressed this when Jimmy used PEDs for the special olympics.
@dinosaurmedia. You better watch what you say fella, otherwise you could get your sorry ass sued. You can't go around insinuating that Baker is prepping his riders with drugs, and that's why they are super fit. RC might also have something to say to you, as you flat out suggest he was on drugs. I think the man tits and fat belly have more to do with hamburgers than drugs.
Baker is on record as saying he stopped bicycle racing because drugs were so prevalent, and that tzhey were necessary for anyone wanting success. He just wasn't prepared to go down that road.
With Baker it's simple hard work, which is probably why it didn't work out with Stewart. He probably heard the same stories you and decided he'd get the job done the easy way, so when Baker worked his ass off, he simply fired him.
I honestly don't believe you can equate MX with other physical sports. If you haven't got the talent you can take whatever you like and it ain't gonna get you in the winners enclosure.
@griffter...I don't know. Maybe it's Dungey I'm thinking of.
You guys are kidding yourself if you believe they wouldnt make that big a difference. They would help with every turn, whoop section and jump on the track. They would help from the first lap on. They would help all week long. They would help with recovery from practice and injuries.
I have no axe to grind and Jeff Ward was my hero back in the day, but that little bugger was bench pressing 300lbs. For a guy that only weighed a buck fifty something thats incredible. I always assumed Bailey and O'Mara where clean as new born kittens, still do, but I never felt that way about Wardy.
And no, they are not as expensive as you would think. Can they turn a guy from top ten to podium? Yes. Wouldnt it be nice to be able throw your bike around like it was supermini? In the turns, whoops and jumps? And have the stamina to do every lap the same? Wake up.
Oh lord the PED discussion. More excuses for people to make as to why their favorite rider didn't win. Motocross isn't a sport focused on endurance, especially supercross, but rather skill so the triple filtered bull dung urine sauce will only mean that you can suck twice as long as the next poor privateer who can't afford such luxuries.
Aldon Baker is a guy that gets riders to do the physical work and as far as I'm concerned if 120k is what he's making... he is extremely underpaid.
"Motocross isn't a sport focused on endurance, especially supercross, but rather skill" Congratulations 731Chopper. You have written the dumbest thing I have ever seen on the Internet. lmao
Lots of mis-information in here regarding PEDs. As a former decent MX racer who went on to be an elite amateur cyclist, first off let me say to griffter that in cycling it is not the amateurs who are hitting the dope. And those that are doping will not make it professionally. Back in the late 90s and early parts of the 2000s, it was sort of the unspoken rule that pro teams only took on clean amateurs who could then be "developed". Cycling is much, much better today than it was 5 years ago but no one wants to believe it because the media are much happier to report on stories from 10-20 years ago.
Regarding PED use in SX/MX, I am certain it exists. For one, there is almost zero testing. Last year Reed and RV were in the WADA pool for testing since SX is FIM. But even then, it is just drug testing. There is no biological passport to monitor the athlete's blood profile. So, anyone with a good base of knowledge could microdose EPO and even be in the testing pool, and never be caught. And yes Virginia, EPO would make a difference for a motocross racer. More red blood cells = more oxygen to working muscles = less fatigue. And certainly HGH could be abused and there is not a test for it. Who is in the WADA testing pool this year? I never saw any announcements or statements from any riders indicating they were being tested.
As to the whole "who cares, it's like a works bike" argument, let's be honest. A works bike is legal within the rules. Taking EPO should not be legal. It offers an unfair advantage and even worse, if done incorrectly it can kill you. HGH might seem safer, but it supresses natural hormone regulation which has a host of health issues, plus in some cases it could make an existing cancer grow much faster. Again, a health risk.
I had a Suzuki TM400 and survived it. Was there ever a more evil motorcycle?
Good conversation on PEDs. I do think Lance got hosed regarding the recent removal of his titles. I dare those who judge him to climb on a bike and complete that tour "clean" and in the same MONTH as the competition. To an extent, I see a lot of what goes on as an extension of taking vitamins and supplements. There are products containing natural ingredients that increase the body's production of HGH. Illegal? If changes to the body are so subtle as to not be detected through current testing, how bad could it be? I don't want to see athletes causing serious harm as has been the case with certain steroid use, but how much do we want to restrict our them? Hell, we let our kids poison themselves with food off the supermarket shelves every day!
Well said
Well I understand the legality issue and I also know alot about PEDs, I've used them. Not all men are created hormonally equal, and a man with a natural test production 1000 nan/dcl cannot be considered equal to a man with a 300 dcl production that has a high aromatizing issue. It's like a man fighting a woman..
Some men also have much higher natural HGH productions than others.. More muscle density.. The list goes on. So a person using PEDs may well be trying to even the score.
Lance Armstrong had a lung capacity that normal men could only wish for, that always gets over looked. I don't know where I stand on this.. I see both sides. I do know this, anyone younger than 30 years old shouldn't be taking anything I guess so I just don't know
The whole thing on PED use for me comes down to this: Do you want to see fair and clean sport? Or do you want a show?
For me, it's about fair and clean competition. PEDs need to be regulated to ensure that as athletes the playing field is level. If rider A trains his butt off and has all the same natural ability as rider B who also trains his butt off but takes EPO, rider B will likely be the better rider. How is that fair sport? We accept that there are differences in equipment in motorsport, but I feel strongly that in terms of preparation each rider should be on a level playing field. If it becomes "anything goes" then it is no longer a SPORT and it is WWE.
@Prime
Really? So during the week before you line up on the gate for your nervous... I mean novice class race you focus on your endurance more than your skill? Rather than riding you just spend time at the gym? Seriously? I realize that this sport is extremely physically demanding as does anybody who has ever raced but unlike a sport like cycling motocross demands not only physical fitness but a huge amount of skill in order to be successful as well.
Assuming that you ride and race I know that you know this. I'm sorry you didn't understand what I said and if that is the dumbest thing you've ever seen on the internet... welcome to the world wide web.
Sef154 you saying it's OK to cheat?? Because thats what Armstrong did.The rule says NO, and just because everyone else is doing does not make it right.
if you don't like the rules don't enter the race. simple.
picture worth a thousand 1000 words who cares what Barcia says ! LOL !
One other thing all the Lies Armstong told is only half the story how about all the people he through under the bus to cover his own azz?? destroid peoples lives to cover his azz!!
@Chopper....I think you are literally too stupid to argue with so I won't go there. (Was that too harsh?) But I'll ask you a simple question. What will all the skill in the world do for me on my dirtbike if I can only complete half the race? Ask anyone who races seriously and they will tell you they spend more time training on a bicycle or in the gym than they do putting in laps on their dirtbike.
@BillC
I think what Sef154 was saying or rather asking is how far are we going to take this because by definition a "performance enhancing drug" can be many things that are perfectly acceptable in every day life and professional sports such as dietary supplements. How far are we going to "level the playing field"? Make them all eat the exact same thing, consume the exact same amount of nutrition and hydration, work out the exact same amount through out the week, sleep the exact same amount, make them weigh in at the exact same weight? That all sounds ridiculous to me. I think that the people who complain the most about leveling the playing field are the ones most envious of those on top.
The people who want to turn this sport into politics and start testing and wasting money on stuff that doesn't affect them or their lives are the same worthless FUC** that want to take away gun and other human rights.
Bunch of fat worthless pieces of shit who have nothing better to do but cry about guys who they have no proof of taking PEDS, and hacks like Ping who are to afraid to call out because he doesn't have proof either.
Is it any of your business what an athlete takes or does? NO. Does it affect you? NO
Stop trying to turn this sport into bullshit politics and keep the Euro trash out!!!
WHO GIVES A FU** IF SOMEONE USES PEDS? IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAME BUSINESS.
You American trash need to keep your fat ass mouths shut and stop crying over something that is none of your business and doesn't affect you.
@rickamatuzuio - actually Lance's lung capacity was average for an elite cyclist (which means it is still exceptional). His natural advantage was his high lactic acid threshold, he could function at a high power output longer due to his ability to withstand lactate buildup in the muscles. But he had some good pharmaceutical advantages too :).
Elite level sport is that, ELITE. The guys at the top should be there because they have the best combination of ability that was given to them genetically, and they work hard to exploit that ability. It is not about leveling the playing field by using PEDS. If one rider has less lung capacity or lower levels of natural growth hormone that is what he has. Maybe he makes up for it with his natural ability to ride a motorcycle fast. So his combo of average physiology, hard work and natural talent at riding makes him a champ. Just like a guy with exceptional physiology, hard work but so-so ability on the bike is never a champ.
I'm out, these PED discussions are exhausting.
@persona - WWE fan I presume?
@Prime
Alright buddy, whatever you say. I'll be sure to inform my friend who is an olympic runner that he can now bank on racing professional motocross even though last time he rode my bike he put his feet down flinestone style to stop it.
Sorry for the rant but this country is going to shit because a bunch of people who want to turn everything into politics and have more and more regulation on things that they don't know anything about and doesn't affect them.
Gonna take more than that to out stupid Chopper, keep trying, and good luck.
731Chopper I agree but as the rules are now he cheated. Maybe the rules need an update.
I say get the best testing and random test 10 racers before each race. I think the people that want everybody to be left alone could very well be drug users themselves. The abuse of drugs and alcohol is one of the greatest problems this country has.
I highly respect the athlete that takes the high road and goes the extra mile to be clean and abide by the rules. If you break them I hope you get caught.
Same goes for breaking the rules, even flag-gate the other day RV broke the rules and got docked three positions clearly two or three others broke them and got no penalties. Simply review the rules and clarify the details and enforce. The AMA has done a better job than many of us whiners admit but they can and probably will improve.
Can't wait for tomorrow night !!!
All the top guys are using PED period. if you think otherwise you are way out of touch with reality. Most PED make you healthier unless your some dumb kid who never researched them, I am sure the trainers know how to use them safely. And at the level of american SX it makes a big difference If your a top guy and you want to be on the podium and all the other podium finishers are on PED's you will also have to take them.
Doesnt matter to me as long as there all on it and its that way in most sports at this level.
Its a touchy situation because of what is defined as a PED--there are pro football players who have been nailed because of something they have been perscribed by a Dr. it contained something that had been banned as a PED... It is taken every day by the public..
There is a certain poster on this site who wrote about a week ago that he knew for a fact that RC took HGH as a kid on 60's and 80's... Said he knew for a fact, of course he couldnt explain how he "knew"
Wasnt it a year ago that Rv said somebody showed up at his house real late one night and he had to submit to a urine test??? I think I did read that here once..
Oh my god I can't stop laughing At Dingle Berrys post.
If we truly want to level the playing field, then we are barking up the wrong tree. A rider like Jeremy McGrath need half the fitness as Rider like Carmichael, that being said why would Jeremy need PEDs?? if we want to level the field, then give Kyle Chisholm, jimmy Albertson, Weston pieck, myself and every racer x poster access to the same practice tracks that RV and RD have access to. Villopoto has access to stuff that nobody does, of course he is going to be better. RV was flat out fat 4 years ago.. But he still won.
I don't care how much ability a person has, a person with higher hormone production has a higher success level is every aspect from mental to physical. That's what makes a great athlete great, genetics. Period. Hard work helps, I get it.. But a guy could work his hardest ever and not be as tough as Jeff Stanton.
The problem here, Stanton on steroids would make him untouchable because every gets to their genetic max first or at least they should.
The most successful men in the world all have high testosterone levels, and so do the best athletes. And by cyclists standards, lance Armstrong had a pretty darn good VO2. I'm done too, there is no changing this, and yes HGH is expensive. At 1000$ a month minimum it gets pricey. I have had 16 surgeries since I had my pro license including a spinal fusion, And HGH was worth every penny for a few months because it does help restore things. I also read it can cause existing tumors to grow and that scares me, but it can't start cancer otherwise we would all have it.
Did I out-stupid anyone?? That's a classic quote I'm taking with me dingle Berry.
I understand Choppers statement and I think everyone missed his point. The fittest man on the planet would kill himself attempting to circle a SX track.
I say we don't bring CArmichael into this discussion, he earned the GOAT and I don't want any of it tarnished. Ricky would have won regardless, even if he were 20lbs heavier at the time. Lets not go there, like the French fuc$s did to lance. RC is our hero and we need to protect his image and the image of our sport. I think Ping answered that question very eloquently, not denying, but also treading lightly knowing if he took PEDs maybe he would have been a champion. Ping and Decker were the two riders that shoulda, coulda, woulda, but due to unfortunate circumstances never really became the best. I understand how Ping probably loves MX but resents it at the same time. It can really give us an ass kicking.
Now will a doctor please prescribe Ben Townley some HGH and calcium so the man can stay unbroken for At least 3 months?
Mofo- RC was very small, and doctors prescribe kids with a growing issue HGH. Maybe RC fit into the midget category and was given a medical prescription when he was young. I know they also prescribe HGH for spinal fusion patients, brain surgery patients, and burn victims. They also use Anavar for that, another PED you guys can research. It's called Oxandrolone I think.
Maybe Aldon just has his riders on a 1200 calorie a day diet and we are all crazy. I know this, I would love to lose the weight that RV did so I'm listening if Aldon wants to reveal his secrets of the diet. I remember McGrath saying dont eat late at night before bed, and that stuck in my head for 15 years. I have a bad habit of eating before bed and McGrath said when he stopped eating at 6pm he lost weight bigtime.
Just let the naive people believe there heroes would never take anything like PED's. Most of them have ben informed by the media how evil PED's are, and there is no changing there minds.
OK, OK, this is really my last post in PEDs. It is a subject near to me because I have seen the worst of it in cycling.
First off, for motocross, if the subject is completely ignored and never discussed then I guess the show goes on. But if one rider tests positive via FIM monitoring then the speculation will start. The accusations will increase. Someone will admit to having doped in the past....and the sport will start to get the stigma. You think sponsorship is tough now, post-2008? If doping stories start to follow the sport around it won't get any easier. So maybe the best plan is just to collectively bury our heads in the sand and hope nothing every happens?
Secondly, if we take the Villaslowdoh attitude and say it's OK because it is done safely and it's monitored....what does that mean for the privateer on a tight budget? He can't afford a trainer and a doctor and all that jazz, but he just needs a couple of results and then maybe he gets the big ride and contract. So he's buying the drugs in the grey/black market, doing his own research on the internet, and sitting in his bathroom with a syringe. Sorry, but that is just crazy sh** and it is a story that has played out far too often. What about parents? This sport is already a crazy expensive sport to begin with, now parents have to think about whether or not to buy their kid HGH to beat little Billy at Loretta Lynn's. Crazy.
Yes, I'm throwing out some wild scenarios here. At this point all I am is a fan of MX. My riding days are long since done, but from age 3 to 18 motorcycles were my life. And I've seen and lived very close to the PED era of professional cycling, and if any lesson could possibly be learned from that sport it is that burying one's head in the sand and acting like there is no problem is absolutely the stupidest way to handle things! The AMA and FIM need to work with WADA to have some form of PED testing. Even Reed, when he was notified he was no longer in the FIM/WADA pool commented that he would prefer to have more testing in the sport and he would be happy to submit to it. If an experienced champion and team owner can make that statement, then I there is not much too argue.
Really out this time.
hamcheeze it doesnt matter young people old people smart people dumb people take all kinds of substances.
Its nobodys problem but your own if your a privateer or anyone for that matter if you take a substance and know nothing about it its your own decision. i did not mean that only factory guys take it. you dont have to be a dr. to know how to properly take these drugs. How many cases do we hear about with highschool football players taking PED. Your statement is irrevelant.
If they were to do something about it they would have to do it without hurting past champs and current ones. I dont care either way people will always try to get around it so just take it the way it is
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And i dont mean that you can have the intelligence of a highschool football player to properly take PED just saying its everywhere.
Any substance that artificially increases the performance of an athlete should be banned for the health of the sport and safety fo athletes. There is a distinction between working out and lifting weights to get stronger, and then taking an artificial substance to increase size and speed.
Most people who take a lot of vitamins only end up with expensive pee.
Anyone who doesn't think PEDs could make a difference in Supercross is very misinformed about what they can do. HGH is known to increase vision by strengthening eye muscles. Perople are also focusing on body doping and don't seem to be aware that there is a such thing as brain doping. There are mental stimulants that can increase your focus, thought clarity and coordination. Think about baseball, a sport where many kinds of PEDs are rampant. No matter how strong someone is, just being stronger isn't going to help them connect the bat to the ball. I would be surprised if most of the riders in this sport aren't using something. There's serious money to be made at the top level and no one is bothering to check, so why wouldn't they?
mx40 they have redbull and monster for the mental side, that is redbull spiked with adderall
Heck with the athletes, sign me up for brain doping! I am tired of being a moron...
@MX40: there is a current cognitive function drug called Provigil (I think?) that is supposedly being currently used by many people. Back in the 80's there was a substance from China I believe, that was still legal in the U.S.A. at that time (doubt it is now). I could order it from the healthfood store at the time. According to all research by leading world renowned reaearch scientist types (such as Dr Michael Colgan)(look him up...is like 70 years old.....looks 35) it was completely harmless (no side effects). It was amazing...could ace your exams with hardly any sleep etc....did have one peculiar side effect though...insane woodey...all day long! If I only had used it all this time I could probably remember the name of it....LOL
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BillC, you seem to be more diplomatic with some others who have similar views to mine than with me. Hmmm. To one of your points, for someone with his eye on winning the Tour 10 years ago to not take PEDs would be a complete waste of his time. He would've had no chance. A good sport, yes, but no one would ever have heard of him. It's a dilemma - definitely not as cut and dried as you make it sound. There are a vast array of things to do to get an edge. The line between right and wrong probably isn't as clear as you think. BTW, you seem to be making an argument for regulation by a governing body. Imagine that!!! How about the same for corporate giants that are making a mockery of "fair trade"?
@preston... It's still that day for me! For me it could be considered a PED! HaHa.
I think it beyond sucks that anyone would level accusations against anyone without a shred of proof. To say RC has man-boobs as proof that he used PED's, is completely focked. The dude had man-boobs when he won his first 125 MX National title as well. He likes DQ Blizzard's, OK? Dungey is one of the gnarliest guys when the going gets rough and the heat rises, is he on them too? Dungey?!? When guys start getting caught or someone starts talking, then talk about who it is, but until then it sucks to bring it up with ANYONE's name attached.
@rickmatuzio,
1,200 calories???? RV would be dead if he only took in that much. RC was on a 4,000 calorie+ a day diet to fuel his ridiculous training schedule. I'm sure RV has to consume similar caloric intakes to maintain his weight and build muscle. If you want to lose that kind of weight, wake up each day and ride a bicycle, HARD, for about 30-50 miles. Then run a few tanks of gas through the bike, before you go on your 5-mile interval run. Wrap it up with a few hours in the weight room. Enjoy those avocado and tomato sammiches.
@realmofo,
both RV and Reed Tweeted last year about random drug tests where they showed up on their doorstep either late at night or very early morning. HGH I believe requires blood tests though, not urine. Fact is, this was the same agency that tests olympic athletes though, it isn't the AMA.
I don't know about people that make comments about they knew this, they know that.....the one about RC being on HGH on 60's? Someone above stated James is coming out with a tell-all book. It seems too many get just enough knowledge to become dangerous, whether it is someone's man-boobs post career, or a sudden increase in fitness, it HAS to be something other than just pure desire and determination. In a sport that has always had its champions being the fittest and most determined finding success, for some reason we now want to blow it all up. Are we going to go back in history and start questioning all the greats and how they got great? Even more amusing is that McGrath is KNOWN to not have used simply because he wasn't known for his fitness (until of course he got serious about winning OUTDOORS for a few years). The second a 3-time 125 MX champ gets his ass in ridiculous shape, only PED's can be responsible. Of course, if he stayed chubby and still won 10 outdoor titles, he'd be okay based on his physical stature. This is what people are presenting as "EVIDENCE".
I remember Kent Howerton saying he couldn't figure out why he couldn't stay with Hannah, so he decided to try this running thing. At first it made him worse, but then when he did it more, he got better and could stay with Hannah. He said that is when he thought there might be something to this training thing.
"My best chance of getting a holeshot on that thing was to throw it over my shoulder when the gate dropped and run like hell." - Every week you one-up yourself Ping. That was FUNNY. Awesome job sir.
You, me and every other person here who has competed at the pro level knows that PEDs are part of every major sport, including motocross. Anyone who denies it is either not telling the truth, or just doesn't know.
Easy tiger, the 1200 calorie was a joke. I tried to do a 2200 calorie diet and my hands shook so bad I couldn't ride and my butt looked flatter than, well I don't know. Red Bull spiked with Adderrall sounds AWESOME, I have tried that.
I tried Adderal once and I couldn't believe it. Talk about clear thinking and energy, but I was very jittery And nervous feeling. I could see myself taking Adderal to ride
I little time I took HGH for my back, I actually put on about 7 lbs of water retention. I was very displeased and my friends saw it in my face. I guess everyone responds differently to stuff and I don't like how I respond to that stuff.
Jeff Stanton, my all time hero, said drinking gallons of water and jogging is the secret to weight loss. He maintains without a huge water consumption, the lived can't do it's job and its hard to lose the good weight (fat). Problem is, I hate water, it's boring. Red bull spiked with Adderal sounds way more fun to me
Holy type-o's sorry. I never tried the red bull and the liver can't do it's job of fat burn without water.
Note to self: iPhone sucks.
@rick...Adderall is prescription grade meth. Remember drugs are bad, mmmkay. Unless a Dr. gives them to you, then they are lifesavers.
Bam Margera found himself playing Russian Roullette after mixing Red Bull and Ambien. He says it caused hallucinations. Ambien alone will be good if you feel like eating some bars of soap or a bag of charcoal after you go nite-nite.
Funny story - Way back in the the 80s when riods was big, we had a small gym at my base and not many people used it. There was this one kid (about 19) who was allway big, but all of a sudden he got huge, and ripped! Then he started bossing people around and talking down to them. If you were using the bench he would try to kick you off and say things like "you're not dedicated anyway".
Turns out he worked in medical and had connections, he was juicing big time of course. He was telling people they would never get as big if they didn't juice at a young age.
One day he kicked these two southern boys off a piece of equipment and threatened them. So they waited around until everyone else left and when he layed down on the bech press one of them grabbed a plate and cracked his head open. They then kicked the crap out of him and left him there out like a light. The gym staff found him there when they did their rounds before closing. Then the military police did a investagation and he got busted for using and selling riods.
I just don't like liars! Ask each rider if they're taking PEDs. Then test them to see if they are liars. I don't really care about the drug use, that's their choice. Just don't be lying to our face. Yeah Lance, like you did. Suckit.
As far as Lance -- I know a guy who as much a bicycle racing fan as I am a MX fan. He has been telling me, since Lance first started winning his Tour De Frances and became well know, that Lance is a ego maniac and people didn't know the real Lance. He said Lance was nothing compared to the guys of yesterday and that he was sure Lance cheated. He said it's not just France, the riders don't like him, and put up with him only because they have to. He hated Lance.
I always thought he was just jealious and was one of those old school die hards. I guess he knew what he was talking about.
I think 731Chopper summed it up best.
"Oh lord the PED discussion. More excuses for people to make as to why their favorite rider didn't win. Motocross isn't a sport focused on endurance, especially supercross, but rather skill so the triple filtered bull dung urine sauce will only mean that you can suck twice as long as the next poor privateer who can't afford such luxuries.
Aldon Baker is a guy that gets riders to do the physical work and as far as I'm concerned if 120k is what he's making... he is extremely underpaid."
I'm not going to rehash everything I have ever said about PED on this thread. Google "Racer X Virtual Trainer PED" and you can read all about it. But I will say this. PED's do work.....but not significantly enough in a sport like motocross where skill trumps all. I've also said this many times before. There are a few trainers in the industry that I've heard of who are using PEDs on their riders. Aldon Baker is NOT one of them. I know Aldon very well and you can take this to the bank. It's his program that creates winners not drugs.