Shocker! Is this a joke? Another piece of flat ground serving as a basis for a national caliber mx track. We already have a great series that builds its tracks on stadium floors and one car racing facilty's infield-supercross! Let's just go to one 25 minute moto and call it a day. Today's machinery and well trained riders couldn't possibly handle actual rough natural terrain for more than that. Great for Utah fans, but lets not call it mx.

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The facility looks awesome but the grounds look even flatter than the Lake Elsinore Facility? Really?? I hope it turns out

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You think there will be a Rapid Reaction posted?

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When reading this, I had some negative thoughts too. Hope they can really do something there...

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Cannot wait! This has GREAT potential to be an incredible round.

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So Dumb

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I think it's great. Utah really seems to have their stuff together when it comes to outdoor sports. Heck even their Governer rides off road. I have no doubts they will build an awesome track.

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Seems like they could have talked to the folks at Road Atlanta. Great nationals back in the early 80's.. Had an awesome hillside to work with and a uphill, left handed start! Oh well. Money talks I guess. Are there even any motocross bikes in Utah?

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Sad to see such negativity so soon after an announcement of a new venue, I for one am excited to see something new... I am sure it will be fine, give it a chance.
Just because dirt bikes don't go up and down big hills, doesn't mean it isn't a motocross track and doesn't mean the track wont be good.....And it looks like they could have stadium type seating for good viewing as well.

Is it possible to see the positive about anything these days?????

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Why did we get rid of Kenworthy's again? Seems like there are already a ton of tracks around the country that have been committed to our sport for years and are struggling to make it like the rest of us. Maybe this will end up being a great venue and I truly hope it is, but I seem to be missing the excitement. Would be nice to see the national going to someone that is in it for the reason WE are all in it. Love of the sport not love of the money.

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If the track is NOT opened to local riders before and after the National I say to hell with them....I won't be going to the race. If it IS opened to us locals I'll support Miller once again....only if my demand is met!

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No not another outdoor SX track!!

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Don’t you see.. They are eliminating all hills from outdoor motocross. The bikes just don’t have enough power.

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I know DC is trying to improve the series and I give him credit for trying new things. I really hope this is a good move for the series and the sport.

I understand the decision from the perspective of paddock facilities for teams and media, and ease of access to the highway and an airport, but don't understand from the perspective of other site selection criteria DC has explained about in the past (like spectator demographics and market size that impact event economics).

While I'd prefer to see natural terrain with real elevation changes, I'm hoping that the track design promotes great racing.

I doubt this will be the last site selection DC makes and If nothing else, it will be a point of learning about future site selection.

I guess we'll know a year from now if it was a good decision.

Is it January yet??

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REALLY???????????? As exited as I was to hear about Bristol I'm even more disappointed in this ridiculous decision. Do these folks realize they could stick a national in ANY of the southeastern USA and draw a ton of people? One step forward and two steps back.....

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hats off to utah for getting a national...BUT! cant we have it on a real natural terrain track?....

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agree...the south needs a national...muddy creek is great but florida not having an outdoor round is crazy...as for texas? freestone is a nice facility but there were several tracks in texas that are better and closer to airports/hotel/wifi.

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great...why don't just you put all the supercrosses on the west coast, and run all the nationals on the west coast and in pa (so daven can be happy)!!!

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what about a rotation of different nationals....take like 18 - 20 different tracks and build a rotation schedule in there so that riders can ride different tracks, fans in different parts of the country can go watch, keeps the nationals exciting and from becoming stagnant....just a thought, flame away

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I have been thinking for years when someone will take this on. Not sure if this is the start of it, but the only thing keeping a competing supercross series from taking hold is the stranglehold on the stadiums......enter all the NASCAR tracks around the country. Imagine a whole series like Daytona instead of the circus held in the stadiums? I wouldnt want it to replace the Nationals of course, but would love 17 SX rounds held on Daytona style courses and put on by someone other than Feld. It would need the support of the industry, manfacturers etc. so it needs to be felt out first and a business model proof needs to be done. This could be that proof.

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Well everyone swallowed the big "We need MX to be more like Nascar" pill, now it's more like Nascar! Did you really think that would come without a price??? All decisions will now be made to funnel as much of the corporate dollars (like Nascar) into the pockets of greedy little people. Guess who pays for that?



After two years of "giving Pala Raceway a chance" only to get screwed at Lake Elsinore, where you couldn't see the race unless you paid extra for a VIP pass, you were not allowed to bring in an ice chest so you had to buy their food and water at a huge markup. All this about an hour south of one of the greatest national tracks in the world GLEN HELEN! Oh but GH will not be considered anymore, because the owner refused to play Nascar

R.I.P. Outdoor Motocross!

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I'm sure this was a tough choice for mxsports. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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And this is the same Utah that sets up roadside motorcycle only safety checkpoints? Just to hassle motorcycle riders

Not a very friendly motorcycle state!! Won't be riding my street bike there
And definitely won't be spending my money there!

Out of all the tracks they could have had host an outdoor national
This is the best they could come up with?

Somebody is getting greased real well!

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Crap another shit track with burnt dirt.UTAH, REALLY!!!! WTF. I could see maybe losing Colorado to try this.Trade one shit track for another.

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I like it in Utah ...hope the world doesn't get to see the place I want to retire and choose the same ...tons of riding , lake Powell close, and almost no crime or -------- you fill in the here....get me a10 acre ranch a tractor and some water.....no California rules or taxes to buy more rules ..braaappppp

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Ever track that was built at a car track sucked.Road Atlanta sucked.AIR in Atlanta sucked.This just wrecked my effin day.

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@randy 0017.Did you ever ride that track at Road Atlanta cause it really sucked.

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I understand the reasoning of holding the race there. I just don't like the thought of giving a national to a track that only exists on paper or in someone's mind. Isn't this another short course off-road truck course? Hell, let's race the trucks at Unadilla.

@yamyblues.....A 10 acre ranch? Hope you meant 1,000. My yard by itself is almost 10 acres. Not going to build much on that.

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Wow an announcement of a new track and it turns into a WHINE tasting....Miller has money and they know this will attract a ton of attention to the facility.....how about we give it a one time wait and see before the pus*y-fication of the sport starts to cry and moan about everything that hasn't happened yet.....@shifter ....an excellent idea. 27 days.....

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I wish the promoter good luck, but...

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VetMXer is full of $hit! I've lived here in northern Utah for 35 years and have never seen a MC only checkpoint! And also for the longest time there were more motorcycles per capita than just about anywhere in the US including the PRoCalifornicate! What has ole Jerry done for you out there except take your money?

Yes it's flat and the dirt out there is like walking on the moon! Powder silt that won't pack and slick as grease when wet! Dustcloud city! There is no doubt they will be trucking in tons of dirt to build a decent track but anything with the name Miller on it will most likely be good! And DC's cred is riding on as well! I'm sure all of that has been addressed. My old butt will be out there to watch no doubt about that!

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Um, a flat infield isn't a national. It has been proven at Kenworthy's, Pala, etc. I have no interest in this race.

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@utbmxcruiser After the 2010 WSBK race utah highway patrol stopped all bikes leaving the race for safety violations [revenue] until the govenor put a stop to it. Half the posts sound like old ladys with hair dryers on their heads. SLC airport is just 20 mi. I`ll be at the south side attitudes where the partys are

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Mx sports is swattin flys with this one. This agreement has been done for 3 months, they are just now lettin us in on the "big news" they won't be around in two years,

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Disappointing. This is like getting a fruitcake for Christmas.

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I hope they ship in some OCA dirt! and some trees... Can't wait to attend but I have my concerns about Moto in Tooele in August. Miller, make us look good.... Please

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MX Sports is soon to be a clone of FIM..destroying our sport :(

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Congratulations to all the people and riders in Utah. All 236 of you...

C'mon we need a national on the southeast not another outdoor sx in the middle of nowhere...

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My sentiments exactly. Is this the beginning of the end of real moto cross(motor cross country)? I'm ready to come home lord.

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Sounds like typical blue state bitc∈ goin on here....again. Remind me how CA did on that mxdes nations yrs ago??? Hmmm, didn't they have to cancel it and take it somewhere else?? Fair. That's not fair. That's CA comeback on almost every topic.Maybe do all races in CA when we all are on electric dirt bikes, till then, quit your whining and go bow to your Obama photo on your mantle.

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This just smells like GP's all over.....Flat, manmade track, in proximity to an car race facility? Geez this is worse than Pala and Lake Elsinore... I agree to keep pushing for improved facilities, but this sport has grown and endured just fine without the whiny media and race teams that are offended by port-o-pods and lack of a sushi bar !!!! I'm going to Youtube a Glen Helen or Gatorback race to make me feel better...... for now.....

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This just smells like GP's all over.....Flat, manmade track, in proximity to an car race facility? Geez this is worse than Pala and Lake Elsinore... I agree to keep pushing for improved facilities, but this sport has grown and endured just fine without the whiny media and race teams that are offended by port-o-pods and lack of a sushi bar !!!! I'm going to Youtube a Glen Helen or Gatorback race to make me feel better...... for now.....

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Interesting........ as long as they make it rough and longer than 55 second laps we may be alright. Tell you what though, there is no way I am grabbing some jerkey, seeds and redbull to sit in the stands to watch the race from a 1/2 mile away. nationals need to be close up and I will will also not pay to get VIP seats to see an outdoor race. Flat track Elsinore totally sucked from a fans perspective and hope this one doesn't as well.

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@ MXdad13

I agree with you that it smells like something, but I do not think it is GP's.

Here is to the future ... as well as the death of "real" outdoor MX.

Long live POS tracks! And I am not referring to Point of Sale.

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I understand the sentiments of some here. However, I think we need to give it a chance. A few years back I was invited by former governor Huntsman to ride but scheduling did not work out. In speaking with his staff, they have a strong MX community and we need to keep expanding the sport.

It would be nice to see track rotation. Meaning, have 20-25 locations. Have a constant rotation among those locations such that when you get your turn people are excited and come out in large numbers. You could then have races all across the country with the biggest turnouts getting a repeat the following year.

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Look on google maps, there is a track already there next to the road course.

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Utah is a great state for motocross. There are thousands of riders and hundreds of thousands of fans. Seems like these days everyone has to complain. You complain about the riders not making enough money, but when the sport moves in a direction to give the riders more money, you complain some more. Utah has hosted the Olympics. They have their act together. They will put on a great national and will be a great ambassador for the sport. Let's support our sport, not bring it down.

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@Pinned49 how is building a POS track gonna mean more money for riders.I don't care what kind of turnout or how sucessfull the track is money wise.We want motocross on a real track.When they take away the purse money that will give us a good idea wheather MXSports is heading towards the Lungo FIM model.It is kind of obvious which way we are going.It is going to be just like in the GPs.

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It doesn't matter how much dirt in trucked in to the place.It will still be burnt dirt.It will suck.They might as well try to make Lake Elsinore and Miller tracks as hard and smooth as they can [which would be real easy at these tracks] make the riders put dirt track tires on the bikes and call it TT instead of motocross.

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For those of you who think the track in TN is a bad choice for a venue in the SE USA, just wait until you see the one in UT.

Ouch!

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Another outdoor Supercross. *Sigh*... When will sanity prevail and Glen Helen come back?

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The press release says they are building it in the infield of the road course. I just took the arial tour on the Miller website. I don't even see an infield. I too would believe that outdoor motocross should be on natural terrain. I also like the idea of a rotating location schedule. Bring back Gatorback. Take a look at Monster Mountain. This venue does not get me excited. Bristol however does. I plan on attending that race. My last outdoor national was a round at Gatorback....yes, I live in Florida.

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Regarding my last post, my last national was at Glen Helen. I forgot that I was out there on business many years ago and took in the national. Man! what a place that was. I could not get over how tall and steeeeeeep those hills were. That place was really cool. A real shame to see that one go.

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Will this bring a high quality , permanent MX facility to Miller?

I've been there, for a WSBK round, and I remember a flat, featureless infield. Well, a flat, featureless RR course (compared to so many other tracks around the world).Though, it's far from a bad RR circuit.

I checked the Miller site - saw the, I assume, Truck Short Course on the outside of the track, the Kart tracks and other courses.

I watched the videos of a Off Road Truck / Buggy race held on the infield. A Long way from the spectators, and I see what one or two posters meant about the dust. Though, of course, that can be dealt with, if a circuit / organisers are committed to track maintenance. Dust, and different types of local dirt, are all part of Motocross.

It's to be built inside the main track? So, that would indicate it probably isn't a permanent track.

This is so Very reminiscent of Youthstream / Luongo type set ups. Tracks made at RR facilities, just to get the permanent pit facilities that exist. 2008 MX Des, at Donington, 2009 in Italy. And others tried over the many years of Giuseppe Luongo's Reign of Terror. All Duds of tracks.

So, you'll get another big, artificial track in your Nationals.

Surely, a Real Motocross Track is available, that can deliver reasonable facilities. There are plenty of events, that don't have posh permanent facilities, that can have Very fine facilities offered - surely you in the USA, have companies that provide great toilet / shower / vending infrastructure, as we do here in OZ for outdoor concerts and sporting events - like the hugely popular Cycling Tours / Multi Day MTB races?

I have had a lot of faith in DC, in he and his organisation Not being like Luongo and Co, but, it may well have been misplaced.

It smacks of being mainly about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. And not something that will be a real betterment to the sport, in the long run.

I hope I'm wrong, and Miller build a great, permanent track, that is available to all, at a reasonable cost to the users. For many years.

But, I think that it may not be what happens, and it's set up as just a big money maker, for the circuit, and the promoters. Of course, if it doesn't make good profits, it will disappear at the end of the contract. Hard base pit areas, nice journalist facilities, permanent toilets / camping facilities etc, etc, etc, don't necessarily make for great motorcycle racing, and furthering of the sport.

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tblcumn Thanks for backing me on this; I was one of many that was directed to this checkpoint leaving this race; while cars were blowing right by us at well above the posted speed limit; and threatened with jail after getting lippy with the cop about it;

Yes from what I understand they did cease this types of checkpoints
after the the AMA got involved and got their highway funds in danger of being cutoff
For this kind of practice
But it's just the point of the matter that pissed me off
UTBMXCrusier no sweat man apoligies accepted

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" Hard base pit areas, nice journalist facilities, permanent toilets / camping facilities etc, etc, etc, don't necessarily make for great motorcycle racing, and furthering of the sport."
Amen to that Bear

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Not to be negative, if Daytona is a SX track what is the difference between it and Elsinore and now Miller? Distance of the track? Nascar? It seems that amenities and accessibility are weighed in favor of the actual racing surface. Is that a good idea? We will see.

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Looks like about 98% don't like this idea DC. I wish ya luck and hope it works but MX means hills and big tracks. If the lap times are under 1:30 it will be a sad sad day for MX. I really don't see how it can be anything but a big SX track. You need to be able to hang over the fence and get dirty at a Nat not sit 500 feet away!

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I have to agree now that I've thought about it without a great deal of work and money spent would this have a prayer of working! Someone is going to lose their ass on a one time shot!

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Davey Coombs = America's Giuseppe Luongo ( $$$$$ ) - I'm glad to see that Utah finally gets a national...but why couldn't it be MX...instead of bad SX? Didn't DC learn anything at Lake Elsinore? Utah has some great natural MX terrain...but not on the infield of a RR track. C'mon DC...don't you remember what MX really is? Apparently your vision was clouded....by $$$$ signs.

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I live in Utah, which is a fantastic MX oriented state by the way, and also have extensive experience with Miller Motorsports Park.
It is true that the facility is "world class", but the management is "worst class."
Maybe they'll pull through the first year, but after that, WATCH OUT!!! They'll nickel & dime you to death, try to barely get by with the worst of support & management, treat spectators like sh%*, and then blame their lack of success on the locals.

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By the way, the dirt there sucks!

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I'm trying to think of something positive about this, but am having trouble. I hope the SLC market has a lot of motorcyclists, because it's really not very close to any other major city. Denver is 7 hours, Phoenix and Vegas are 10 hours. Everywhere else is even further.

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Can't believe this is what mx is coming to. Glorified off road courses, for shame DC. The only way I can see this being a real track is doing some x-games type crap and making fake hills out of scaffold. My home track is Red Bud so I have been spoiled by the mx gods. It's just terrible to see flat terrain being considered for a mx track. As a Red Budder I can say yes we don't have a cement paddock nor do we great restrooms but we do have the best mx track on the planet. And you know what we also have the best attendance on the circuit, Us real fans believe its the track not the facilities that make an event. Get back to finding the biggest and baddest tracks and stop trying to manufacture race tracks!!!

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I have no idea how MX will work at Miller in Utah. However, comparing DC agreeing to a MX in Utah to Giuseppe Luongo having an FIM race is Qatar and Mexico is a bit of a stretch. SLC already has an annual SX event. It is not like DC is scheduling a MX race in Nome, Alaska.

For those of you with several millions in cash willing to take on the sponsorship duties of DC and/or open your own MX facility and pay the annual sanctioning fee, please step up to the plate. This is a business. Unless you go to work for free each day as your loving contribution to mankind, your critical comments of DC are without merit.

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As a side note, has it occurred to anyone trashing DC that you are trashing him at a website he owns and provides free of charge? A bit like walking into someone’s home to tell them how much they suck. It requires a lot of arrogance on the part of the insulter.

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@JonR145 - I agree completely. There are always people that have to make it personal, both here, and pretty much every site on Earth that has a comments section. I'm not sure how this race will work either, but it doesn't make DC a sell-out, a bad person, or anything else. And yes, this is his frequently-updated web site that has much of the magazine's content for free.

Its a tough balance between the sport-side and the business-side of something like this. There are plenty of potentially great MX terrain out there, like what Red Bud and Millville were created from, but if it can't handle 40,00 people and all the travelers and visitors associated with a national race, it won't work.

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Since I don't know much about what the Miller facility can provide my judgement will be made after the first MX race. I trust DC enough to give it look before a blanket condemnation.

Fred, Lakewood is a great track, IMHO one ot the best on the circuit, certainly has the terrain, and the best promoter in the business as far as I am concerned. Might be some as good but none better.

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#JonR145 / MXBob - I'm not making it personal as much as I'm taking the issue to the man the generates the program. No doubt that DC has done some good for our sport, but motocross is not about abbreviated flat surfaces...we have stadiums for that. There are a TON of legit motocross ( i.e. NOT SX ) venues that would put up the reported $1 million in fees to host the riders on a motocross facility worth competing on. DC...don't sell out like Giuseppe Luongo...do it right. Let's show the world that Americans rule in MX. If you want a nat'l in Utah...find some ground worth racing on, not a road racing infield.

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I just have two words... Either "Glen Helen" or "Elevation Change"

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this is ridiculous wave goodbye to REAL MX

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Outdoor supercross period.. They want the place because they can sell real seats.. Just like supercross.. And another showing of taking all moto out West.. Which ticks me off.. They sell more tickets at the tracks on the East and Middle of the country.. Red Bus, Unadilla, and Southwick sell the most tickets, and High Point.. Great tracks sell tickets, not the seats.. and I hear a bunch of screaming for Glen Helen, not going to happen.. Didnt sell tickets there either. Averaged about 20,000 per race from the attendence numbers I saw.. Its just which tracks will give the MX Sports promoters the deal they want.. (money) Sad.. And the riders arent getting any of it.. Man-made tracks for the outdoors suck, expecially on flat ground..

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I noticed how DC hasnt responded on this board.. Hope he gets the picture here that real MX fans dont want outdoor supercross.. This works fine for Daytona once a year during SUPERCROSS... But the outdoors is were the real hardcore fans are, who actually ride and race.. And MXSports is breaking up some of our beloved traditions in this sport.. With natural terrain tracks and elevation changes, all for the almighty dollar...

I remember hearing about them wanting to use racing circuts to host moto,and people raising hell then.. I guess MXSports doesnt care.. Just out to get that money For the "betterment of the sport" Sure, I believe you...

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@JonR145-- Sorry I dont agree with you.. DC gave this race to Miller simply out of money and greed.. The race was awarded without a track.. It wasnt even built yet..And you dont think it was about money?? How could someone award an outdoor National to be built in the flat infield of a racetrack, without even seeing the track??? Its freakin' FLLLAAATT!!!!!! Its about MONEY>>>>>> Just like what has happened in the GP's with the FIM.. So yes, its similar.. Sorry if you cant see it..

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I bet Big Dave Coombs is rolling over in his grave over ALL the bulls#&$$t his son has wreaked on Amerika's greatest sport. I thought he would be great for MX but it is all about the $$$$$. I expect him to get rid of Red Bud, Millville, Southwick, Hangtown, Unadilla, and who knows what other venues, and soon. Frankly TV has been the ruin of many a sport, at least as the hardcore fans and participants are concered. I DON'T WANT MX TO BE A MAINSTREAM SPORT..... I want it to be fringe. I want to get up to the fences, close to the track, get roosted by the best, and try to see and understand their techniques by close observation. I don't want to have to fight with all the dillweeds and poseurs that show up at MY Nationals, whether it be for a spot at the fence, or merely a place to park when I come in the gate. Growth is not always for the best.

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