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PrintMr. Ping,
Having taught a motocross school or two, what would you have to say about James Stewarts' mx technique?
From my side of the fence, he has lost some of the most fundamental techniques, which I think is part of the reason why he is crashing so much. For example, when he is entering a rutted section, he doesn't keep his body in a neutral position, and he doesn't use the footpegs to counter balance. At Thunder Valley, he was leaning into a rut too much and ended up going down, on the low side. Don't blame it on the photographer, even though he made a stupid move. Also, just recently at Unadilla, he was entering a rut and he was leaning too far to the inside and ended up crashing, on the low side. He looks more like a road racer leaning in to the corners! I think he is as fast as he has always been, but he is not paying attention to the fundamentals. Is he too famous to take a mx school? Does he have a riding coach to point these things out?
Thanks for your input,
AJ
Best advice ever: Stop doing this.
It’s funny how nobody had any riding tips for James when he was winning races and championships. Weird how that works, isn’t it? And then when he stops winning as much all of a sudden his technique is dog crap. James rides very, very aggressively. He leads the bike with his body and as long as the bike follows he’s fine. But when ruts or mud or something else prevent the bike from keeping up with James he goes down. He could change to a more conservative riding style and stop pushing as hard. The only problem with that is he won’t win doing that. I don’t think anybody, especially James, likes that idea.
The only constructive criticism I would give James is that he needs to leave his house once in a while. The dirt on his supercross track is soft and nothing like the majority of the tracks he will race on during the supercross season. I know he likes to stay tucked away from the world until the opening round but I think it hurts him on raceday. The other option is to truck in some harder soil for his track. That way he could stay inside his compound forever, leaving only to go to the races and see the occasional movie.
PING
Dear Ping,
I recently watched The Inside the Outdoors Episode that showed a few riders talking about how hard it can be to make a living in motocross, and wondered what you thought about the episode. The episode seemed to try and tell the story of how financially hard it can be on motocrossers, but I thought where do I sign up for the life of a 3000 sq ft house in California, fancy cars, and motor homes that cost double the price of the average American home. The riders continually talked about how they do not have an education or skills for jobs after motocross, but do they not understand how the average college graduate has $25,000 in student loans and the only job they can find is serving coffee at Starbucks. They also spoke about how expensive the sport is for the rider, but I am not sure how many more podiums a tour bus gets you over a Minne Winne. As a former racer who is transitioning into the regular workforce, should us ham and eggers feel sorry for these riders.
Thanks,
Bill
My student loan payments are Venti!
Should you feel sorry for them? Meh? I guess that depends on your sympathy level for humanity in general. Sure, some of these guys are making good money and living it up right now. But when the gravy train runs out it typically turns into a trailer park disaster. Like most pro football players or lottery winners many of them will be out of money and looking for work in a short amount of time. And what do you put on that resume? Fanatastic Whoop Skimmer? Chief Officer of Triple Jumping? Handy with a Sharpie? Most of these guys will have to try to find a job in the industry because it’s all they know. I’m not saying you have to send them a charity check or anything but just understand that racing is hard work and it’s very dangerous and it leaves riders beat up and poorly equipped for the fifty years that come after their career has ended. A least a college student has a degree and knows how to make an excellent latte.
PING
Hey Ping,
I was just glancing over the silly season updates when I noticed something that struck my curiosity and I'm hoping you can shed a little light on the matter. I remember when I first got into this sport about 14 years ago it was common to see about 3-4 guys under each factory tent throughout the season. (i.e.- I remember Carmichael, Fonseca, Tortelli, and Ramsey were all on factory Honda.) With the economy taking a hit on the sport the common factory team is now looking more like a 1-2 man deal. My question is, how do the teams that specialize in the 250 class (not "Lites" anymore, thank God) manage to continue providing rides for the same amount of riders (if not more) as they did 14 years ago unlike the factory teams? The two teams that really caught my eye were the Geico Honda team and the Monster PC Kawi team, as they both are housing 6 riders each this coming season. How is it that these teams can continue to afford to house 6 riders while the factory 450 teams are only housing about 1-2? (Granted, Reed is the exception as he's also getting factory support from Honda on top of Canard and Barcia). How much less are guys like Tomac, Baggett, Durham, and Wilson getting paid in comparison to Barcia, Weimer, Stewart, Reed, Villopoto, Dungey and Canard? Is it because our top 450 guys are demanding more money than ever? How is it that these teams like Geico Honda and Monster PC Kawi can continue to maintain fully loaded semi trucks at each race while the factory teams blame the economy for their 1-2 man teams? I know there's a lot that goes into answering this question and each team has their own reasons, but it just made me curious.
-Trent
PS- Hopefully you answer this even though I didn't add in a stereotypical brown-nosing compliment in the beginning.
Am I seeing double or are there really six of them?
No brown-nosing required, Trent. Obviously our economy isn’t what it used to be. Simple economics dictate that teams have to cut back. The reason some of the 250 teams are able to field more riders is because they either pay less salary than the top 450 riders or the manufacturers step in and pay the salary for them. That leaves cash available to buy more parts and staff. I think another reason 450 teams don’t have multiple riders is because our sport doesn’t place enough of an emphasis on riders who finish fourth through tenth. For whatever reason, motocross fans, media and sponsors only care about who is winning, who has potential to win and who is standing on the podium. Winning is awesome but the sport is shriveling because there are great riders finishing off the podium who aren’t getting any publicity. It’s a multi-faceted issue but maybe that helps you sleep better tonight. If not, try Ambien.
PING
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$25,000 in student loans ??? After the first year or two maybe.. It cost me 22,000 per year for my son to go to the University of Cincinnati and that is a public school....for room and board also.. I guess if he wanted to stay at home it would have been over 12,000... But that is still one year.. These young moto guys need to stop spending so much on their first home..it doesnt have to be a 5500 square foot monster when its just you and the current girl who likes your money.. Buy a condo or something small first.. When you learn to manage money and see where your career will go.. Then go from there..I think that is a big reason alot of these kids part from their parents.. Mom and Dad try to control the kids spending to look out for his well being.. And some of these guys are spoiled and think Mom and Dad are out for themselves... And get that "Its my money dont tell me how to live" attitude..
It's funny that Stewart keeps crashing in ruts now a days. Remember Seatle 2011, ruttiest track of the year and he dominated.
I remember a episode of SNL when NHL players were on strike and they did a spoof on them getting other jobs. "You can skate backwards, the jack hammer can be a little tricky...." haha.
bd200
Thats the trouble with you weenies make the kid pay for his own school so maybe someday he will look back and think I was a self made man..Why dont you use your own hard earned funds and by a nice ride.. If the kid doesnt want to work for his education then he will expect you to to fund his whole life and buy his tattos also. Grow some nads you liberal piece of human waste . You dont think that kid will pay you back do you. He will get some girl knocked up and expect you to fund that also..................You people.............. Sucker
Maybe raise the pro age to 18 and require a h.s. diploma. Riders seem to be able to race at an older age nowadays so why not start later. I'd bet there isn't a single rider, current or not, that can live the rest of their life without a drop in present standard of living on what they earned racing. I wonder how many currently racing have a diploma? A G.E.D. doesn't count.
I learned this week that no matter how old you get there will always be a tattle tail. So, say what you mean and mean what you say.
@Americanpie--YOU have no clue what is going on with myself and my son.. He IS actually paying for his school...You just simply make yourself look like the unimformed tool you are.. He has always had a job since he could drive..You havent a clue so dont spout off about something you know nothing about.. It makes you out to be an idiot.. My son pays for almost everything himself and I help out whenever I can, its my son idiot..
And I do have some nice rides, 2 250 fourstrokes, and a 200 2-stroke.. Plus 2 Jeeps in my garage..
Sadly way to many kids in college use it for partying / or just a way to get out of life for 4 more years. Many have no clue what they want to do in life but go to college anyway and waste time and money.What it cost is insaine anyway. You can do so much on line now to get a degree or even community Colleges why waste the maney on these big name schools?
Well BD200 you did say "It cost me 22,000 per year for my son to go to the University of Cincinnati and that is a public school"
.So which is it?? So Americanpie responed to what you said, Yes he was a bit rude but he is right you said YOU are paying $22,000 for it.
The majority of fans and riders have no idea how expensive it is to field a team. A privateer trying to make the complete Supercross and national season is a huge expense. I would guess the cost at a minimum $120,000.
Also a lot of these kids bust their bodies up so much chasing their dream I can't imagine how they are not going to suffer when they get up there in years.
Yes I will apologies for the rudeness that was my falt if I offended anyone on the site but like BillC put it so succinctly you said you were taking care of the 22,000 large.. I don’t what people to think I’m a bad ass, but when I grew up in the seventies my parents were divorced and my dad was a big goon even though he had money he thought that you should make your own mark, my mother could barley keep a nice roof over our heads. I worked for my uncle building homes who was an old paratrooper that made you work very hard for your money. I see these kid today like my nephews that are using the money there parents {my sisters} to just have a good time and life is one big party with no consequences for there behavior and actions. It is just the way a lot of these moto kids are mommy and daddy will take care of it attitude.
bd200, obviously you're not a college grad. Get a frickin' clue. Seriously, your post is ignorant enough to be laughable. For reasons I outline and give an example of below, most kids are required to pay for college via student loans. Do you actually know, firsthand, how a student loan really works? Student. Loan. A LOAN, to the STUDENT. Which the STUDENT is REQUIRED BY LAW to PAY BACK THEMSELVES. How is that "a kid not paying for his own school?" Do you realize how much WORK, time, and effort it actually takes to graduate from college? Since you make it sound so easy to do, while simultaneously paying for yourself, maybe you should grow some "nads" and try to do it yourself, while paying for it yourself. Classes, studying, etc. come out to more than 40 hours per week, that's for sure. For a kid to simply "get a job and pay for college himself" is like saying you know the Easter Bunny. It's not happening. I worked every summer since I was 12 years old, then had a job while going to school (sweet job, minimum wage is the rule for college students), as well as during the summers when I worked in a plywood mill. Think that was easy? The money I made, which I saved 100% of for my college fund, didn't even come CLOSE to paying for one year of school, let alone four. Do you realize how much even in-state tuition (out of state tuition is twice as ridiculous), room & board, meals, & books cost these days? As the guy stated up above - having $25000 in student loans (which, again, KIDS DO WORK TO PAY OFF THE REST OF THEIR LIVES - HENCE THE TERM "STUDENT LOAN") is about the total debt you're looking at after maybe a year or two. Most are in the $50k plus range when they graduate. I could have studied/gone to class 12 hours per day, and worked the other 12 hours, with no sleep, 24/7, and still come up short. But, that's also why I made the sacrifice to get a better education. So, hopefully, at some point in the future I'll be in a position to help my children pay for their college education. Then, with any luck, it will enable them to do the same with their children. What is wrong with that? Doing something to better the legacy of your entire family is a bad thing? I don't hear you complaining about the mini-rider parents blowing their life savings on junior's bikes/parts/RV? Next time, instead of throwing out a bunch of your random, ignorant opinions, maybe at least try to educate yourself in regards to what you're complaining about . It will really help to (attempt) to disguise the fact that you're a misinformed tool with the IQ of a fence post. You people? Use your own funds to "buy a nice ride" rather than help your own child get a college education? Liberal piece of human waste? I guess I didn't even really need to post anything - your incoherent ramblings really do spell it out quite nicely. And, speaking of spelling, at least my kids will be able to spell "tattoo" correctly after they graduate, and they'll know where question marks go on the end of sentences, where quotes are supposed to be placed, where apostrophes go, even things like hyphens. Oh, wait....they already learned that in grade school. You must have been absent on those days. "You people.....Suckers" Really???
Handy with a sharpie? Classic! Thanks for the laughs ping!
Handy with a sharpie? Classic! Thanks for the laughs ping!
Handy with a sharpie? Classic! Thanks for the laughs ping!
Handy with a sharpie? Classic! Thanks for the laughs ping!
Handy with a sharpie? Classic! Thanks for the laughs ping!
OOPS, that comment was not supposed to be addressed to bd200, he's obviously not the dipsh*t spouting off about stuff he obviously has no clue about here.....should have been addressed to AmericanPie. And, don't try to back-track out of it and give some B.S. apology. You stated what you did. At least own up to it like "a real self-made man".
Sorry! Damn ipad
the industry needs to stop only letting a few teams have the good stuff. Make it so any team can buy it. Then each team has a chance to compete, equipment wise. Im not saying more guys would win, but you never know. It would be cool to have races where any of the top ten or fifteen guys have a shot at the podium. look at nascar, I know they have way more money to pool from, but every week they have 20 guys that have a real shot at winning. If we want to grow this sport, we need more compition, not just for the win, but more close battles for all the spots.
I'm no fan of Stewart but I'd have to say I would probably put up with the bad riding technique to go that fast.
@doug148877 - good post (despite the initial misdirect).
Ping played the politically correct card about James riding technique.
Gary Bailey hasn't been shy about being, ahem, constructive with James riding techniques and the things he should change to avoid crashing. It is possible to over-ride the bike or track, isn't it? The best athletes in any sport use coaches, yes?
Even James has room for improvement, aside from riding tracks with different surfaces. He is amazing to watch when he stays just this side of the edge. A little more control, as pointed out by The Professor, might just bring back the old James, where crashes were the exception rather than the norm. Hell, if Magoo could do it, so can James.
I want to hear about what happened to Ben Riddle, Shane Bess and Austin Stroupe!
Remember how long RC keep his bars old school [down low]? I remember him not wanting to change, but he finaly did. And people used to say he had bad riding style, but I loved his style.
James crashed when RC4 pushed him and he crashes now when RV2 and RD5 push him. His championships come in between.
I do not feel sorry for one rider in MX/SX. I don't give a shit if JG33's trailer park whore of a mother steals his money....and people give Tony Alessi crap...ha!(including JG33)
Do you know why we don't care about anyone past 3rd...we never see them. After the race they all run to their little trucks to hide. Top 5 stay after the race should take off their f'n helmets, and have the double D dipshit Erin Bates interview them. If the TV programming does not give a sh*t about anyone past 3rd, no one else will.
I love James' style. And whoever said he crashes in ruts is crazy alot is crazy, he fell in one rut. He is one of the most technical riders ever. Look at any mud race he is in. Himself and Reed both lean over the front of the bike the most. Look at Reeds crash at Millville, him being over the front caused his back end to hop and skip to the side and boom. Done. RV has a crazy style but its so over the back so hes always in attack position. It amazing.
@bd I don't like to jump on these things as it takes away from the point of this site, but you did say it costs me $22,000 a year....that is why I am hoping my kids get academic or sports scholarships. Then I get to keep their college funds we have to buy some new bikes, land for a track, etc:)
@ CR500AF I thought we were buds !
Before anyone jumps me for bagging on James...
If James is using a competent coach, like The Professor, then I'll withdraw my comment.
That said, it is in riders (and teams) self-interest to use a riding coach to continually improve technique. The bikes (and groomed, smoother tracks) allow them to ride so much faster these days. The probability they end up seriously injured in a crash is so much higher than it has ever been.
Fitness alone can only do so much. Continued focus on proper technique is a must. Yes, freak things happen, but fitness AND technique can go a long way to prevent the freak crashes.
Why the rant? I don't want to see James or any of these guys seriously injured. Moto careers are very short to begin with and it's tough to work construction or at Starbucks if you are in a wheelchair.
@AmericanPie
Had a hard time following your first post. If the point of your second post is that too many kids piss away their parents money without a thought to the consequences - no arguement.
CR500AF You better check with the school teacher above to see if the parentheses’ are correct spot !
I wasn’t good in school and most was tongue and check but you need to really think about some of what was said you think that these kids today are rowing with both oars you are smoking what they are. Sir. I didn’t graduate from High School… I was really having issues reading and comprehending. In the 70’s till I got out Folks back then didn’t identify with {Attention Deficit AND ALL THAT THEN. I did go 12 yrs but fell short not enough credit. I chose a different path. Most Millionaires I know never went to college its called HUSTLE! My friends went on to college got out of school, and were making far less than me. At 17 years old I was making $ 1500.00 a week {Under the table} building over 100 homes a year in 1980 by age 25 I opened my own business in the Moto industry and I today have a net worth of over $ 17 million dollars putting in 70-100 hrs a week for over 30 years employing over 2000 people and I rode the nationals back in the day as a true privateer and yes I'm sure over the coarse of time most posters on here have bought {Product} something from my business so, I would say I'm successful. So on that note have a nice day. I will not plug my establishment, It sells it’s self. Different strokes for different folks, as they say …..Good day sir.. Back to the subject of MX
O OPS ! Should have been directed towards Douggggggyyyy doug148877
It's Contagious…
I better look up that word it may be spelled wrong !
What a bunch of douchebags some guys are.. Americanpie is a total moron, and hasnt any clue.. And BILLC sticks his fat nose in and defends him, like the douchebag he is.. God BillC. what is wrong with you?? Are you a total idiot?? Did you expect bd200 to give his and his sons life story on here, he was trying to make a point on how much college cost you tool.. That was the point of his post.. And try and take online classes and get their "degree" and see were that gets you in the world today?? When you put that so-called degree against somebody with a real Bachelors degree from a real college, who do you think is getting the job???
@thetoothperry--look at any mud race Stewart is in?? Alright how about MIlleville when RC lapped him about 3 times?? What place did Stewart get in that moto anyway?? 20th or something?? Look we all know you are a huge Stewart fan, but face it, he hasnt done any better than 4th place in the standings in about 4 years now.. So he is not as great as you make him out to be.. So put that in your flat-billed hat there Bro'..
"That man is the richest whose pleasures are the cheapest."
-Henry David Thoreau
I guess I know all the road scholars when I see them.. Remember Clinton was a Roady !
Yes, “I didn’t not have sexual relations with that woman!” It’s all in the interruption. Just like you! Your opinions are like A holes everyone has one and they all stink
looks like therealmofo got sand in the vag again!! It's closed minded people like you that have no clue and also can't post without name calling ECT... it really shows who you are and how inept you are. Ypu do it all the time too witch proves my point.
Everybody is confrontational, short-fused and pissed off this week.....Yup, it's almost x-mas.
Thanks BillC I owe you ! You got the witch part right ...
Misoheye No its closer to A-1 LOL !
To all the rodies ...{ NO PIZZA FOR YOU } !
BillC calling someone closed minded?? hahahahahahah!!! and "witch" instead of "which" also proves my point about attending a real college, and its obvious you didnt..
And my point with YOU Billy is you always stick your nose in things to get crap started up.. You are the most closed-minded one sided person on here.. NEVER seeing anyone elses side of anything or just taking somebody elses opinion, you just say they are wrong.. YOU are NOT open-minded at all.. And now you call somebody else that!! Its hysterical.. Hope I didnt use too many big words for your on-line education Billy.. By the way--look for a spelling class online would you..
and once again here in lies the reason I stay away from here.. It is so sad.. And worse the guy who started all the BS seems to be a grown man in his 50's.. And calls me a "weenie" and liberal piece of human waste" because he thinks I am paying for my sons college?? REALLY... He is my son, and if I could afford to pay for all his college I would, but thats not the point.. AmericanPie calls me these things for basically nothing.. No real reason, and then I get ticked of course and defend myself to him, and low and behold BillC throws in his 2 cents for no reason other than to be a dick.. No wonder I stay away, its sad.. I just kind of want to talk and read about moto.. But instead I get BS from idiot children who really need to grow up or be humbled from an as$ kicking... See you later..I may be back, but I doubt it.. GROW UP..
So do you want to stick with "elses"...twice..... college boy? Else's is posessive, and therefore the apostrophe is required......dipshit.
Dont get too caught up in the paradigm: "a college degree earns employment"
Many college graduates since 2008 have entered the job market to go under employed, or w/o degree-applicable employment, for a few years. However when they do, the HR department that reviewed their resume may never have called for a phone screen had the degree been from an online institution. Many corporations do not consider candidates from those channels because of the myriad of applicants from known accredited institutions.
Geezus....its holiday season , kids taking their toys and going home and premenstrual pizzaguys all wrapped up in one......shocker. Mayans please make it quick.
BD200 you say you just want to talk moto but your post is the first one and guess what..NO MOTO talk. Hmmmmmmm
. as for me being a Dick, NO just pointing out that first You said you are paying for your son's school then the next post you say He is paying for it and tell him he does not know what he is talking about....Well how could he you keep changing yopur story!! LOL and another name caller...Does it make you feel big to do that?? Cracks me up how 4th grade some of you act when you can't defend your position!!
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therealmofo I see everyones side , You just get pissy if people don't agree with your side. Get over it!! also why do you feel the need to talk about how others spell?? does that make you feel good?? I really don't care that I don't spell well. What is important to me is running my business and enjoying the fact that I make more money than anyone I know that went to college. I laugh at people who make very little but tell me how you need to go to college. College is not for everyone and it does not make the man. Also if you don't want to be a hypocrite why don't you pick out the spelling ECT errors in the post's of the people you defend? No you just do it to people you don't agree with..Hmmm theres a surpise!!
LOL good one pizzacorner. I always love it when the know it all's are called out like that...Funny stuff!!
.Whats the old saying?? Those who live in glass houses ...... LOL Rips on me and he is know better!!!
BillC. and pizzacorner--a match made in gayland--you two douches are perfect for each other... @pizza-- an aposthrophe?? really?? Thats all you got?? What a douche..
@ BillC--You see everyones side?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Sure you do, its why you are always the center of the name calling fools argueing about everything.. think about it Mr. Online degree... see everyones side!! HAHAHAHA--sorry I cant get past that one..
And Biily--you always comment how you make all this money--like THAT is what makes the man.. Sorry it means nothing to me how much money anyone makes.. I have met WAAAAY more honest and decent poor people than ones with money.. THAT is telling to me.. It says ALOT about you if that is how you judge people..
And its "He is "no" better".. God you are so dumb.. You must have a great Manager at your shop, because you are really dumb..
relax guys - the season is still a month away - good read ping
lmao you guys are hilarious
and as far as stewart goes he is to surrounded by "yes men" to get told he needs some tweaking hell I bet even big james dont dare and correct him anymore but if he wants to stick around(win a title) he may want to get some different guys around him rather than the ones hes got he's good but he could be great when he looks back on his career he's gonna realize that firing aldon was one of his biggest mistakes
no athelete in the world is to good for a coach I think when the fame and money comes is when they need a coach/mentor more than ever
I've never understood why the top riders pay a guy like Aldon Baker thousands of dollars to keep them in shape while neglecting to hire a riding coach. Baker never made a great rider. He took great riders and made them better. I think the whole fitness trainer thing is over rated. Anyone with enough motivation can get themselves in shape. I would rather have Gary Bailey on my payroll than Baker. Every professional athelete in team sports gets coached until the day they retire. Every top pro golfer has a swing coach no matter how good they are. You never learn everything there is to know, and it's always good to be reminded of the basics. If you happen to be on a team like KTM where "The Man" can critique your riding that probably helps, but not every team is headed up by a former world champion. Like with JGR for instance. You have a former football coach and NASCAR guy running the team. He could probably tell you how to run a crossing route or turn left, but not how to attack the whoops.
with all do respect though aldon bakers record speaks for itself or should i say his trainees records but with the kind of money stewart or rv or rd they could afford both
Holy sh*tksi, you guys sound like a bunch of women on here....it's all Ping or Bush's fault for getting you guys riled up. Lost my train of thought, a bunch of gay marriage stuff on TV right now. Can all you CA dude's just marry each other and we will get on with moto talk? Hey about that Aldon Baker comment....why wouldn't you just follow Weimer and RV around and do what they do and not worry about paying Baker. Heck just train with Dungey and save some cash. The guy that mentioned everybody should be given the good equipment needs to live in a blue state. The definition of the word "fair" is what's gonna drop our country to it's knees. If you don't earn it, then it's not yours. As far as the college subject, we are getting near the tipping point where a degree is never going to pay for itself in the long run. FWIW, I do have an engineering degree and only used it for a few years and then after getting laid off several times, I went the self-employed route for the last 26 years. Everything can get overpriced and then a correction is in need.
Here's an example: My dentist friend graduated and was $250k down. No jobs so he bought another guy out for $500k. He is now mid 40's and still paying on it. While he was going 8 yrs to school, I made minimum of $100k/yr working like a dog. Now take 8 yrs at 100k and that is $800k plus $750k he is down. How long for him to catch up to me when he is down $1.5M??? You see you need to figure what you're losing while in school too. Now in todays working environment, you graduate and still get a shit job for many yrs. It's tough for me to advise young people to dig into college. Just sayin....
therealmofo.
.a match made in gayland
.you two douches
.What a douche
.name calling fools
.God you are so dumb
.you are really dumb
.You are a perfect example of a supposedly college grad, So full of himself and thinking you are better than everyone. But you sound like a 12 year old with the crap you say to others. You must have a really sad life if you get this upset talking to someone on line that you know nothing about. You are so pig headed that you can't even except that I said I don't care that I miss spell words, But it's all you got so you keep coming back with it again and again even after you are made to look like a fool for your own miscues. It's typical of people like you. Also I never said I judge everyone buy what they make, I said I am proud that I make more than every loud mouth I have come accross in life so far. Also you like to keep bringing up the on line degree stuff. Well smart ass I know a few that went that way and are doing very well, One is a CPA and a know a few RN's also. So once again you look like a fool.
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Also funny how you "JUDGE" me and say I can't run a business because I spell like crap then go on a tirade about how I can't see other's side and how I judge people. You are rich I will give you that. Again very typical of people like you.
@BILLY--first of all I NEVER said I was a college grad.. Never said that once idiot--I said if there is a job available, and there are resume's involved.. One has online classes, the other has a traditional 4 year degree.. I would bet my money the job gets awarded to the traditional degree...All I said.. You made up some other ignorant crap.. .
Thats all ya got?? Wow I guess I gave you to much credit.
@BillC, you are such a tool.. You get into an arguement and take the side of a guy who basically rips on a guy for paying for his kids college.. Really?? You take that guys side?? You are a HUGE reason I dodge commenting on anything on this site..You are just a foolish spoiled little person..
@BillC, an observation. You have defended yourself in the past when you have made harsh comments about other posters under the guise you are “really a nice guy that is sometimes misinterpreted.”
In all due respect, you seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in poking your finger squarely in the eyes of others and when confronted respond with “who me?” There is a word for that…actually a number of words. Take your pick but your claimed innocence is a bit hypocritical, and that is one of the nice terms I had in mind.
Red44 I believe you missed the part where bd200 said HE pays for the school then in another post to defend his son says that his son is paying for the school. I clearly said AmericanPie was RUDE but that bd200 was also not clear. sorry that offends you. Sad to hear you can't control yourself and need to stay away.
.JonR145 why is it that you have no issues with therealmofo's post's?? I did not call anyone names or make fun of anyone like he does. All I do is argue my point like everyone else and and I never start the stupid name calling an belittleing first. Yes when someone attacks me I will fight back but I did not start anything in this traed, Go reread my first two post, i gave my opion in the first one and asked a question in the 2nd one and i get attacked?? Why don't you ask why they went off on me? I really don't see where I stuck my finger in anyone's eye first. Clear that up for me. Also don't see where I claimed innocence either. I really don't get why people get so upset on here so easy. This is a good time here. I don't get upset because I now when i go home at night my little girl will yell Daddy and run over and hug me and i know all the people that work for me appreciate how well they are treated. So I have myself under control un like some that say they stay away because they can't control it. And yes sometime what I say does not come acrross the right way but can you really tell me I was the harsh poster on this tread? There is no way you can do that. If you think so go reread please.
Yup just reread it to see how it escalated, There is no way you can balim this on me JohR145. I really don't see it.
@BillC, there are two types of bullies. The guy that throws the punches and the guy encouraging the punch-thrower. Sometimes you are the guy throwing and the rest of the time you are encouraging the punching.
Have you noticed how every time there is bullying and insulting you seem to be in the thick of the action? You say you are a nice guy but you are always involved in insulting others on here, and people are “calling you out” on it regularly. I believe the collective intelligence of the good people on here is sufficient to see through your attempts at defending bad behavior.
We just finished a warehouse floor 3500 sq with epoxy. Since I posted yesterday.. I cant believe you all are still at it !
I take full blame and will bend over and take it like a champ. I threw the {SUCKER Punch } not bd200... Folks its still a long time till Christmas ... GET ALONG !
I apologize for my bad taste of words and Hostilities..
Enjoy the Holidays. I have a Christmas dinner for the employees and families and yes I play Santa and give out Presents, They average about $80.00 per present times x about 340 children. Plus Steak dinners, Prime rib drinks Yes I pass out Christmas bonuses all at $1000.00 dollars each 2000 employees 3 locations . I spend round numbers about 2.7 million at Christmas I have for Decades ..
Enjoy your self people Happy Holidays
@AmericanPie---much appreciated and apology accepted.. Merry Christmas to you also..
@BillC, nobody is blaming anything on you, just that YOU jump into arguements and jab them on.. Like I said AmericanPie admitted he started the insults, but you still jumped on me like I did something to deserve them.. Wrong you are..
Not that I needed reminding, but wow, I'm glad I mostly stay off this thing these days. Just for the record, parents know if their kids are taking college seriously, and under those circumstances, if they're able and willing to foot the bill, all the power to 'em. And the stats are clear, college grads on average make substantially more than those who don't. Congrats if you've done well without, but lord, some of you couldn't write your way out of a brown paper bag. And that speaks volumes....
@jeramy
Regarding Aldon Baker it boils down to the question of the chicken or the egg. In my opinion the best riders can afford to hire Baker therefore Baker trains the best riders. If he ever turns a 15th place guy into a winner I'll change my mind.
@sef154--you notice I dont visit very often anymore either.. Too many childish idiots.. But you are correct about being able to see if your kid is taking college serious.. Its easy, just know your child for one.. But I can also check my sons grades online.. Yep, thats right.. I sure can.. They University has a web site so students can keep up with their own grades and progress, and I have my sons password for it.. He gave it too me, he has nothing to hide..
And you are correct again sef--some guys can barley write their name, it does speak volumes...
I have my daughter's password, too, bd. I had my hands full with her in high school, but I stuck with her, and now she's getting straight As in college. So far I've paid her tuition (about $1K per semester at community colleges; not much more when she starts at a state university - all her choice). Student aid has helped with the rest, and she works to pay for her own housing. She says she's going to be a veterinarian, and I believe her.
BTW, I would have been a crappy student at 18, so I was working in bike shops and racing. At 26, I entered college (community college first), was on the dean's list every semester, and now have a Master's degree, a great career, and I own real estate. And I’ve written professionally (but not as well on an iPad!). Go figure.
Congrats sef154--Both of my sons have worked ever since they obtained their driver license.. Besides the work they do around here, I own alot of land here and we mow around 5 acres, full of trees and a pond the rest is wooded, alot of work for all of us.. Just teaching children the value of hard work when they are young and they learn whats important through that.. My son is doing well at school also, good luck to you and your child, sounds like she has her head on straight..
Wow!I thought this was an mx forum?
@spode817 - Wow! Did you read the letters and comments?
Thanks, bd200. Back at ya.