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450 Words: Team BTOSports KTM

Friday, October 12, 2012 | 2:55 PM

Another key piece of the off-season puzzle has filled in, as KTM has a new partner team racing 450s alongside its Red Bull KTM factory squad. And that team is Team BTOSports.com/KTM, which has finally risen from the privateer ranks. It's been a long road to get to this point, and we talked to team owner Forrest Butler about it.

Racer X: Congrats, Forrest. Just explain what you have going here.

Forrest Butler: Officially, we are a KTM factory support team on 450s for next year, and Michael Byrne and Matt Goerke are our riders. This support is something brand new for us, and for the whole BTOSports Team, this is something special, because it's actually our tenth anniversary.

Just explain what this means. We know what the Dungey effort on a 450 is, so how does your program compare?
To be honest with you, we're still in the works with how to label it. Roger [DeCoster] and I have been talking for several months, and we started with one plan and just keep moving that direction. KTM is taking care of our motors and suspension, and without going into detail, we'll have all of the good stuff. But it's also majorly tied into Palmetto Motorsports, which is our dealer back here in Florida, and it's a huge KTM dealer. I'm pretty sure, without putting it in writing, that it's the first of its kind. It's very different from the traditional Japanese OEM support deals, because we're integrated into the factory team on the racing side and integrated into Palmetto Motorsports on the sales side. Basically all the sales of the bikes and parts and everything drives through the dealership, and all of the factory parts come from KTM out in California.

Do you have an operation in Florida?

We're different. We've never had a hub race shop, just because we're based in Miami, Florida, and logistically that just makes no sense. The rig would leave here at the beginning of the season and come back at the end, that would be it. So Byrne has his setup in Dade City with Reed, and Goerke lives in California. We are doing a little bit of workshop space in California this year, which is different, but for the most part, it's the same plan that it's always been, I guess.

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Spy shots of Goerke on a KTM.

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You mentioned the tenth anniversary of the team. And it really just started with you and your brother, right?
There were three of us, actually four of us racing, total! I hate telling this story because it's been told a million times. We raced amateur and then turned pros as privateers. We were racing together, and then it was in 2004 that we started racing with a team look, and we reached out to sponsors financially. Then in 2006 we joined on with Vince at BTO. Now we are officially called Team BTO and Vince has become partners with my brother Karsten and I. It's light years beyond where it started, with just brothers having fun going racing and just trying to come up with the money to do so.

Back then, the rumors were crazy. I heard people saying your family was rich, and you didn't look at this as a business, you were just having fun. But I know from talking to you over the years, you did actually run it like a business, and try to develop sponsorships, gain exposure for the team, and develop relationships. You didn't want to fund it yourselves!
Even going back before that, when I was just a privateer on my own, yes, we have a great family and great support, but our parents were into a lot of other things besides racing.  It wasn’t anything like we didn’t want to fund it ourselves, there was no way we could have. There wasn't a refinancing of the house to go racing! So we were pretty much left to fend for ourselves, and if there's one thing that led to me to do what I do today, honestly, it's that. We had to fend for ourselves and learn how the business works. After 10 years, I think I have a knack for what I do. From day one, even when I laid out my first sponsorship proposal book, I had a business plan vision. It worked out for us, and honestly there aren't many teams that have been around for ten-plus years, and everyone knows who those guys are. Vince and I are very proud of that, more than we would be of the teams that come in right off the bat with a big sponsor, and then something happens to that sponsor and the team is gone. You know what’s funny too, and if you know my brothers or myself well, we used to be pretty aggressive kids [laughs]. And man, those rumors when we first started getting exposure with the team would piss me off – I wanted to meet so many people in a parking lot somewhere! But just like the older wiser business man teaches a young attitude, you can’t let that stuff bother you. And over the past 10 years, I learned where a lot of those crap talkers came from, and most all of them were actually true spoiled rich family boys – even though they were older and people thought they were self made. So it’s pretty funny now, especially when we have grown over 10 years, and every single one of those crap talkers is not around any more. Though I would love to still get them on the matt to have some fun [laughs].  

What are the expectations now that you have factory support? What does it do for the team?
I wish I knew! If I could see the future, I'm either going to be really happy or really upset. We've always had great sponsors, even ones that we weren't able to stay with, it wasn't because we didn't like working with them. Even riding Suzukis, that was a deal developed with Palmetto Motorsports on the OEM side. It means a lot to us, because we've built a great business model and we have success. Unfortunately, we came up about six minutes short of winning our first-ever outdoor national moto at Unadilla this year, but with KTM, it's a big step. The program gives us access to equipment we've never had before, and it gives us a budget on the OEM motorcycle side we've never had before. A big side of the racing-world people don't understand is that, when you're racing at this level, you have to have great race bikes, but then you have to have practice bikes that are identical. That's where it starts getting expensive. Our program is matched all the way through, and we have a lot more effort getting put into Byrner and Goerke's program this year. To answer your question, the expectations for us here at Team BTO is to do our job, perform and of course that is pressure we will put on ourselves to succeed and hopefully make our new partners happy.   

How did this even come about?
I'm a quiet respectful guy at the races, so I don’t usually just introduce myself and talk away. But this year I introduced myself to Roger. He knew more about me and my team than I expected. I don't want to let all of our secrets out of the bag, but Roger and Jon-Erik [Burleson, KTM North America President] told us what they were looking for, and we seemed to be on par with exactly what they were looking to do. They have their championship-winning guy on the factory team, and that's not our goal for now. We had what they were looking for. Modern day racing is different, it's not like lining up at Anaheim 1 four years ago. If it's a full field, it's incredibly competitive. So we need to be on the top of our game. But to sum it up, we had what they were looking for and they had what we were looking for. But now there's pressure to perform, and I feel confident in our team and entire crew that we will.  I am excited to see what we can do.

Finally, is it just a coincidence that now that our buddy Jason Thomas has retired and will no longer be racing for the team, the floodgates finally opened and you have factory support?
[Laughs] No, that wasn't part of the deal! What's funny about that is, I don't get caught up in the hoopla. I usually just worry about my deal, because that's enough work in itself. And we're never really even thinking about where we are, we're always thinking of the next step, and how we can get better. So sometimes you forget how small of a world racing can be. So it's funny, one of the times I was talking to Roger, I was giving him the outlook on the team for next year, and I told him Jason was retiring, and Roger said "Yes, it seems like he's fallen off the pace and is struggling this year." [Laughs] Which JT will laugh at, but, Roger DeCoster is noticing Jason Thomas out there. So that's pretty neat I think. And JT, 15 years was a long time out there, and that's a great accomplishment. But now he gets to go into the real world and get a real job like the rest of us!  



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The Conversation

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rustymxer wrote: 3:10pm October 12, 2012

Hopefully KTM will have the clutch thing figured out for 2013, or at least some parts depth

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yamalink wrote: 4:39pm October 12, 2012

Jason's last question was pretty good. Forrest Gump Butler, the family and team have come a long way in 10 years, great job.

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Langston_fan wrote: 5:15pm October 12, 2012

ADVISE REQUESTED PLEASE!!

Ive decided to get back into the sport. The last bike I owned was a cr125 1998. Since Im a fan of two strokes, Ive decided on the KTM 125 (dont like the 150).

So I would like to buy new, but can't afford it right now (maybe after the Winter). So hears my question. A dealer I contacted told me he has a 2013 KTM 150 which he can convert into a 125 (apparently the only difference is the cylinder and pipe), which he says is not a biggy. The issue however is that it is a demo bike and he says it has 12 hours on it. He is gonna ask for something around 6990 swiss francs. Would any of you buy a demo bike for a price that good? brand new KTM 125s cost right now 9300 swiss francs. The big question is, how hard do people ride demo bikes? In switzerland we dont have THAT many super fast riders, and demo days dont happen when its muddy or raining. So Im inclined to think this is a deal. What would YOU do?

Your prompt informed answers would be MOST appreciated. Cheers.

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beentheredonethat wrote: 6:10pm October 12, 2012

Congrats to all you guys at BTO / Butler Bros. You certainly deserve it. Thanks for all the support you've given to privateers over the years!

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Ripdown wrote: 6:12pm October 12, 2012

My experience with demo days is if you try to run em too hard they pull you off the bike and 12 hrs is nothing......but seriously, don't mess with cylinders and pipes! Take it as a 150, not a lot of difference other than a few extra hp's and usable torque.

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2003RACER8M wrote: 6:25pm October 12, 2012

@langston_fan.....Over here in the states, I've known a couple of dealers to use demo bikes for amateur racers trying to make the mains. Part of their " race program ".


That being said, the dealer must maintain the bike to be like new for the next joe to ride on a demo.

Don't shy away. And I'd keep the xtra 25 cc's myself, but , add 125 badging. STEALTH.

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codjh9 wrote: 6:29pm October 12, 2012

Glad to hear it for the team! I hope Goerke does great, but I particularly want to see Byrne rip it outdoors again, and this time, NOT break a leg!! Heal up, man.

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VISTAJIM wrote: 7:14pm October 12, 2012

Forrest is a great guy and loves the sport, great to see him get this support, best of luck.

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Gills wrote: 10:30pm October 12, 2012

You would figure they were looking for another solid satellite team after Langston Motorsports racing program folded.

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PowerPlant wrote: 11:18pm October 12, 2012

boring... it is like watching an insurance company try to figure out how to launder money....

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Langston_fan wrote: 2:37am October 13, 2012

Ive spoken to an experienced rider and friend (you may have heard of him Mat Rebeau the freestyler...once upon a time he was SUPER fast) and he says that you simply cannot put a larger cylinder into a frame designed for a smaller one. The 150 is nothing but the 125 with a slightly taller cylinder and thicker pipe. The bike vibrates like mad compared to the 125. Besides its been 7 years since i raced, and Ide like to learn how to learn the art of riding again, which I believe you can only do on a 2 stroke. For the price diff, ive looked into buying from chaparral and shipping from US, but the shipping costs nullify the price diff. For those that dont understand why the price diff, the US is a consumer market where the consumer is king and competition a lot more intense. The only place where one can get competitive consumer prices in europe is in Germany.

So it goes back to the demo question. How are demo bikes treated? Its not like people are going to race them so I leaning towards the way they are ridden is not intense nor in abrassive type conditions (muddy). Oh and the second question for the truly knowledgeables of KTM two strokes...is there really anything major that needs to be done to convert the 150 back to the 125 other than the cylinder and pipe?

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Langston_fan wrote: 2:42am October 13, 2012

hey Frankenweenie...AWESOME VIDEO can't wait to see that one when it comes out!!

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fred wrote: 7:02am October 13, 2012

I thought Jason Thomas had a new offroad career in GNCC racing in the XC2 lites class.Hahaha.He seem to be top two in that class.Hahaha!!! Check the results of GNCC lites.

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kx408 wrote: 9:03am October 13, 2012

Langston_fan not to hijack this thread with a bunch of KTM stuff, but there is a lot involved in making the 150 a 125 or vice versa. The 150 is not just a big bore, it has a different bore and stroke than a 125 (go to KTM's website for engine specs), so the cases need split, different crank, different cylinder, powervalve, etc. This is actually the first year they have the same pipe too, they 150 used to just have a slightly longer head pipe, but now they are the same.If your dealer doesn't know that I think I would look for a more experienced dealer.

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sef154 wrote: 9:43am October 13, 2012

@Fred - I hope you're kidding. Wrong Jason Thomas.

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sec114 wrote: 10:04am October 13, 2012

i wonder what Jason Thomas will be doing after he does his over seas sx this winter? i was thinking and hoping JT$$ would end up with BTO as a trainer or something for the team.

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Welker wrote: 11:36am October 13, 2012

About Fred it is just the tard pills he knows it is a diff JT, By the way that was a great article about JT in the new Racer X!
Good luck BTO you desefeve this chance!! Go for it!

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MX691 wrote: 1:19pm October 13, 2012

CP377 on a (semi)factory BTO KTM..?

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CZmark wrote: 2:17pm October 13, 2012

Wow fred that is like a racist remark, can't tell one Jason Thomas from another? I think the Tard pills has finally fried your brains. Before you know it all racers will be named Jason Thomas. Sad, fred was doing some much better when tons of fun was hanging around.

What up Welker? How are you doing?

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carlsbad wrote: 6:05pm October 13, 2012

MX691 beat me to it. THIS is the team for C.P.!

A great opportunity for him to re-enter the U.S. MX scene. Now, if they can come to terms on a contract..................

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dgizzy1 wrote: 10:43pm October 13, 2012

@Langston fan. I like the 150. I dont own one but i rode a friend of mines and I neverwanted to give it back. As far as your deal over there. I would bet on buying a new 125SX. Dealing with converts is a crazy thing and too risky. The money you think you are saving might actually cost you everything plus some.

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fred wrote: 10:02am October 14, 2012

@CZMark and Welker you guys are just to damn funny.Tons of fun has had a definite effect on me.I'm getting fatter and stupider by the minute.

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CZmark wrote: 2:38pm October 14, 2012

@MX691- as CP burns his global bridges, it would still be great to see his potential in the 450 class. Hopefully the bike suits him and maybe secure something over here for next year.

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kliffwalker wrote: 5:52am October 15, 2012

So basiclly roger & KTM said.we are looking for a couple of good blockers,somewhat fast so it doesnt look like they are doing it on purpose......Bto/Gatoradeguard....Gard the Gatorade and tackle anybody whos trys to take sum code word for block everybody for Dungey

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Langston_fan wrote: 7:38am October 15, 2012

For those that care....

I eventually went for a second hand bike ridden by slow and over spoilt teen. Its a 2012 KTM 150...and Ive decided to give the whole 150 a go. Road on a farm road yesterday and was surprised how mellow it hits (compared to a 2010 I tried in August). The engine was redone along with the forks. SUPER stoked to be back in the sport I love, after 7 years of no riding. Just iching to ride...but still have to save up for the rest of the stuff you need (car and a trailer) to go riding. Good thing Winter (and the snow) is here to help with that..otherwise I might have spent money I dont have to riding :-)))

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carlsbad wrote: 12:58pm October 15, 2012

@ kliffwalker, so what? Every other team has their support teams or "blockers" as you called them.

KTM is (re)emerging in the U.S. scene and adding 450 support and 250F satellite teams is a natural progression. You should be happy someone is adding teams instead of closing them down (team green off-road, Yamaha factory team, etc, etc).

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Motoman5 wrote: 4:36pm October 17, 2012

Look, sure they got good riders, but they are still not to much of a challenge to any of the top names in the sport. Even with the new factory support, MB is just getting to old, I mean, the guy is a great rider and all, but he is just not like he was back in his day. and Matt is a good rider, it's just like I said, they don't have enough talent to run with RD, RV, CR, JS, etc. congrats to you though Forrest, and good luck to you guys, and hope you could prove me wrong!

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