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Sand....wow we don't have that in the USA......I can't wait till Mr Bam , Our MX champ MR Dungey and Mr Chupacabra meets Mr Herlings and friends ....I just don't think he'll find it quite so easy.....the guy can ride- no doubt -...but so can all three of our team and Baggett ain't a rookie this year....,,,,and thank your lucky euro stars RV on a 4-fity ain't comin'.....
Should be good to see how Herlings does against the American's, See how Cairolii does against the dungenator. Six championships. Time to come west my friend!
@tonewall
It should be interesting to see how Herlings does at the Des Nations.
@350beginner
Assuming it happens, Cairoli and Dungey could be good.
The difference between Euro- and US-tracks is shown above!
While i do enjoy the races of the US they do look pretty similar in soil. Well prepped to the max, watered, almost no stones...no blue groove hardpack and especially no deep sand.
Euro tracks differ from one weekend to the other completely. From fast well prepped loam to hilly blue groove to deep sand to tracks like gravel pits. Worldchampions need to go fast on all types of terrain.
I have been riding SoCal tracks this winter and have to say that the speeds and jumps are way higher and bigger than what we use to ride over here in Europe. Really a different story.
It will be interesting to see the des Nations for sure.I am not rooting for any specific country (i am swiss), but i enjoy seeing those guys riding the sand. About 20 years ago did some european championships in Holland as well and always suffered badly.
I wonder if the world MX2 and MX1 champions will charge the american boys for the lesson they will receive in Lommel, LOL. Herlings is simply unbeatable in the soft stuff and Tony isn´t that far behind. Mind you, it will be an experience for tfor the yanks to see how it´s done and well worth the air fare to europe, and who knows, if they can rack up a few consistant places behind the two world champs, they may even steal the trophy again. Methinks though that eventually their luck has to run out, even though europe will be divided into individual countries while the american states will all be lumped together thus ensuring a loaded dice for the land of the enslaved and home of the brainwashed.LOL.
Whooh, US friends. Listen.
You guys know Tommy Searle and Zach Osbourne?
Herlings was more than 12 seconds faster every lap of the 18 laps a race takes.
Imagine what that means. That is BIG....realy BIG
Impressive ride for sure, but don't go getting all excited yet, and those two names listed above, check their results in the US, oh, thats right, they dont race over here anymore because they couldnt win. While I admire your confidence, it will just make the crow your going to eat that much more bitter my friends, the US will win regardless of how young herlings does, sorry.
BTW, that track looks like the more un-fun thing to ride I've ever seen.
@Ssseep. It´s hard for our colonial friends on the other side of the pond to imagine someone 12 seconds faster than the rest of the field, simply because they have never seen anything like the phenom that is Jeffery Herlings in deep, rough sand. They should invest in an air ticket to Lommel just to see him. It would be money well spent. Certainly, there is no one in America even remotely in his class when it comes to real deep, tough, sand. He´s an absolute one off.
It´s a pity Holland don´t have three sand riders of his quality for the MXDN, but then it´s only a small country with a population of less than NY city. Kind of puts things into perspective, don´t you think?
Euromike, I just think its funny how it takes you about 6 months or so to come back and post time and time after you get rejected and denied from your intelligence. Its like a fat kid that finally gets his golden opportunity with a hot chick then just when he thinks hes going in for the kill he farts and shits his pants.
USA could win again...the depth of rider to choose from is huge...but any race herlins is in he will win..... the kid is rewriteing the rules on how you ride sand.
the world are gona have to accept thats he is the fastest sand rider ever!!
thats painfull for me to say...but its true!!
RD JB will have nothing for him.
as much as i love watching the ama series and have total respect for all the riders
i just think that herlings and caroli will be too fast in the deep sand
that does not mean usa wont win again because they probably will
i think that rd is the only safe bet for the usa because even if herlings flights by he wont ride over his level on the other hand barcia will try to follow and will get bitten by the deep sand
bagget im not sure he is so much more mature this year we will see !
also tommy searle was riding a piece of shit ktm not factory in the usa with hardlly no support or team im not saying that he would win but on a good bike he would be as fast as musquin for shore
@ bermblaster LOL!
We'll start off by saying the JH94 is a phenom @ 17years old. TC222 is as consistent in the sand as a Scorpion.
Too bad they aren't from the same country. The only teams with a chance are Germany, Belgium, France. And thats if the US does not bring their A game.
The sand in Lommel is deep. Ive seen lot of riders go out the front door over the bars.
Whatever... either way Im rooting for Canada. Oh, yah.... :(
The cool part about Des Nations is that it is a team effort, so what the U.S. is giving up as far as venue choice, they are gaining with depth and the ability to handle huge amounts of pressure. It should be an amazing race day.
Wake up Europe! Herlings by his own admission slows down a few seconds a lap. Well BB and RD never slow down and in fact have been known to run faster lap times at the end when needed. You sent your world champion over here claiming superiority and he is 4th best. KR cannot run 30 without falling off the pace that is his problem and it will always be. Looking forward as I do every year to see that crow served up. It does not matter what type of terrain even moon rock the USA would win.
Herlings will be riding the 350 at Lommel and apparantly he is faster on that than he is on the 250. The guy is an animal in the sand.
as a team usa will most likley win...if they all finnshed 2nd in there motos they have won!!! as a rule there riders are better overall...BUT!!
lommel is the gates to hell!!! herlins is the devil!!!! if RD and JB have any sense at all they will let herlins go!!!...he hasnt a team to back him up so is no threat to the trophy!!!
lol after all JS7 let everts go didnt he!! lol
Think about last years MXoN, Herlings already did beat Ryan Villopoto in a fair race at the age of 16.
Now he is 17. For your information, he is 2 times better than last year now.
The track of Lommel is just one of the most demanding in the world. Dungy, Bagget and that other guy will just ride enduro insteat of MX racing.
Herlings will ride circles around the US riders like a young dog, he will beat them easily.
Roger de Coster will take the kid to the US right after Lommel, so KTM will win the SX- and Outdoor series in the light class for 2013.
i love how euros start talking now, NO WAY IN HELL is he going to beat dungey, sure bagget is faster too. and for the comment i read that herlings is riding a 350 and he is "faster on it" doesnt every pro claim to be faster on the bigger bike?
and i love the comment who ever said that they threw there best ever ken roczen at us cause that is so true, i dont think anyone has been more hyped up then kroc, and look what he has done? its going to be another win for the USA, everyone else can take a back seat and battle amongst themselves. kills me how america has been so dominant and some how, someone trys to find a way to explain why were going to lose the des nations lol. dream on
@VooDoo
Yes!!!
It is of interest to find out how Cairoli and Herlings will do against Team US.
Along with many other fans, I am looking forward to the Des Nations races!
it isnt maths!! it really isnt hard to understand why usa always wins!!!
get a globe......look at it for a while.....isnt america big!!....now look at germany compare sizes...now take alook at england....france ....italy....hmmmmm
your states are bigger than some of the countrys!!!!
heres a new rule...america can only send 3 riders from 1 state...each year they can change there state....lol
its ok its all just abit of fun....playfull banter.....usa will win im shore...but....no1 will beat herlins in the sand....if im wrong.....unlike some i will be on here to eat hubble pie!!!
dont forget i dont even like herlins!!! the kid is just quite insane in sand!!!
^^^^^^^^ I mean obviously by reading all these posts the euros are truely getting pissed off that america just so happens to be really good at this thing called motocross. Now they are coming up with stupid excuses like america is just so much bigger than anyone else, no wonder they win. How big is russia, and africa and china duschbags, doesnt matter how big a country is. it has to do with which countrys have the best tracks, support and love for the sport to make it grow and produce legends in motocross like the usa has. I mean the usa has been so dominant i totally understand thier disapointments. And after all the crying and bragging of herlings for the love of god I hope he does win a moto to at least dry up the euro tears alittle, but the tears will start to flow once again after the usa takes another des nations win through solid performances and i can only wait to hear what they have to say after that! they might start claiming that the usa runs a special gas that gives thier bikes 5 more hp. LOL!
@ssseeep, you better do some homework and look up how many Euro's have come over here and dominated SX/MX in there first year.
Now back to outdoors, Kroc(big fan btw), Musquin(fan as well), how did they do over here in our enduro races? Both came over with huge expectations and tons of hype from across the pond, and as I fan, I'm happy they are here racing agaisnt the worlds best, but theres not much depth in the MX2 class mate. No disrespect to anyone over there, awesome riders, but I will get you a number for a grief counselor to call after this is all over. We will have the Trophy(again), and you can silently weep over tea and crumpets because I know you wont have much to say on the message boards.
thats fine next year we will pick 3 riders from florida ;)
@mx14bk, I know man. KRoc is a pu**y and Musquin a girl. C. Pourcel was something before his big crash, JMB was something way back in time. Now you have to face up another phenomenon, Herlings. You can be happy cos he will stay in Europe for another year. You wonder why? He wants to get better first so he can lap the howl field at every event he's gonna dominate in the US.
Herlings wil ride the 350 factory ktm at the nations and he s the man to beat because he s simply the best in the sand.
And Ssseep@ Herlings is not going with the coster to the US Herlings is riding 2013 in europe to defent his world title ìn the mx 2. And in 2014 he s going to the mx 1 in europe to follow up cairoli who getting older and everts will keep herlings in europe.
hahaha R.I.P US!!
We have the fastes man in the sand the bullit jeffry herling!!!!
And pleas wake up you dont have a chance this is hell
I can't wait to see this
You are gonne cry and go home with nothing
greatss you all frome holland hahaha
i think you miss understand what im trying to say....im not a hater....i 100% believe that some of the very best riders ever in the history of the sport were and are american.....no question
but the nations is a team event....each euro country has way less to choose from...
your talent pool in the usa is bigger then all of europe....you should win.... you must win!!! theres somthing very wrong if you dont!!!
yes we euros do get down when usa win again lol its the truth!! but its still great 2 see the ama guys race are guys what ever the out come...we all have 1 thing in common....we love to watch good racing!! nations always brings that.
i was 1 of the euros that said on here KROC would kick arse....he hasnt his clearly found the hole thing harder...but his been there...his had the pace at times.
so yep i devo was wrong....but i know you guys can also see why we rated him???
kid has some skills right??
I see here many people with a fart in the head! "we americans are de best in the world... in everything" you people dont have eyes? your ass are kicked over the world in everything!!!! Now speaking about motocross, the best riders in the world are in the world championship!! wy? because they cant ride in any track and any type of soil! many of your tracks are like nascar tracks (round!), no technical! I remember cairoli win usgp in a 3ª gear in one of your best tracks. you peolpe talk about Roczen, Muskin, Pourcel, etc... but I never see a american win a championship in europe! wy? because they can't... like Bagget says in MXON 2011 "I never see a track like this... so technical", and that track are nothng special!
Maybe we should also mention that Herlings was 7 seconds a lap faster on his lites bike than Cairoli was on his 350 and 9 seconds a lap faster than runner up Ken Dedijcker on his 450...
Just last year EuroMike was on here telling us all how Roczen was going to kill it here in 2012...How did that work out for ya Mike??
@ssseeep
I said nothing bad about roczen or musquin, I like them both, your the one bashing them. BTW, the Americans dont need to ride the GP's, the proving grounds are in the states, fact. All the guys(GP champions) even say it, I want to race in America to race the best.
i like the florida idea, quite a few fast guys
ajv26... you obviously have not been to any US Nationals, because your comments about our series and tracks are retarded. First off, Our series here has every type of soild from the sand at Southwick to the hard pack at hangtown, to the loamy hills of Washougal. Also, how many top American riders have gone over to race the world championships? I dont remember even one. Now many MXGP riders come over here? Most of them. Why? Becasue they know its the most prestigious series in the world and also the hardest to win. Some have had success, while most have not. So before you make yourself look even more ignorant than you already are, I would do a little research first. BTW, KR said Hangtown this year was the roughest track he had ever raced on.
I do agree that the US is large and has a lot of talent to draw from. It is what it is. But if just geographical size is all that matters then Russia should be unbeatable. We are fortunate to have a very strong amatuer program which greatly helps our young riders coming up. Every year certain riders will excell at certain tracks, like Herlings this year in the sand. Also consider that this track is an advantage for the GP riders becasue of the fact it is one they race every year, just like Budds Creek and Lakewood were tracks who favored the US riders becasue its on the AMA circuit. Remember DeReuver, a sand rider, came over to race Southwick one year and wasn't in the top 5.Joel Smets (muulti-time GP champ) raced several events over here and was barely top ten and got lapped by RC I believe at Southwick. So track knowledge is important. Anyone who races knows that.
Whoever wins the motos then it proves they are among the best sand riders in the world. But some of these posts saying that if Herlings wins this race, that he is coing to come to America and completely dominate has their head up their a$$. We hear that every year from MM to KR. And just as MM and KR have seen, its not that easy. Remember, these guys have won the last 3 MX2 championships. I am also a fan of both riders. I am glad to see the GP riders come over, becasue it makes the races much more interesting to have more fast guys in the field.
Bench racing is cool but its hard to take a lot of the posts on here serious becasue they are just rediculous. Britisharmpump, i commend you on your comments, its nice to see someone from across the pond post with an actual thought process and not just spewing nonsense.. The race will be here shortly. While I think we do have the strongest overall team and will win the overall, anything can happen. But I do know one thing, if the US wins again, all the idiots on here spewing the hate will be rolling out the excuses why we won, how we were lucky, how we cheated, and all of the what ifs.
lol i like the florida idea 2....and the next year you would have to change state....point is usa wouldnt win every year...
i also agree that america is where its at....more tracks more money...and its harder....because of the heat ect....the tracks arnt easy there prepared different so they cut up different....and racing every week ...its 100% harder....
if i was a pro id want to race usa!!! if i had the cash id do 1 if them ride holidays...catch a SX and ride the local tracks!!!
id love it!!! im not bashing america...im just saying herlins is doing somthing in sand with a dirt bike thats never been done.....if you watch the vids... he isnt riding the same track!!!
Same thing every year, Euros come out of the woodwork and run their mouth then disappear after their hopes and dreams go up in flames year after year. Same story every time. Again, thanks britisharmpump for being the first Euro on here with an intelligence level that would read on the IQ scale.
I'm Canadian but cheer for the Americans, and in all honesty even if Herlings does beat the Americans at home what does it prove? It proves 1 fast Euro kid with the hometown advantage can beat the Americans on 1 unfamiliar track they've never ridden......once, a single weekend. So what? How have all the "world champions" fared in the most competitive, prestigious series in the world (AMA Nationals)? Exactly.......I'm not saying this in a demeaning way, I admire the Euros that do make the trip over to North America to race the best in the world, they deserve more credit for podiums here than wins in Europe. Anyone who thinks the GP's outweigh the AMA Nationals are beyond help and reason, no point arguing it because there's not a shred of evidence to back that claim up. If there is, I'd love to hear it.
herlins wont win a moto....if he was to race america full time....he cant ride SX for shit!!!....and he loves himself soooo much that he believes pll should move over for him...(tonus in france)....he would just cry alot..lol i really dont think he will come to your shores....his gona do another TC.
we will be stuck with him!!!! lol
@Retardcross
Herlings is from the Netherlands and Lommel is in Belgium, so he doesn't have a "hometown" advantage. Sure he has ridden the track alot but for God's sake learn your geography!!!
Oh and by the way get your head out of the Americans asses!!
theped26.....you know what he ment.....and his point was that he has a sand advantage...being that his from holland....
why everyone has to get all wierd i just dont know....lol
to this thread is just a bunch of mx riders sitting round are bikes having a laugh and banter after a moto....
i nailed that double and you cant haha just fun!!
@britisharmpump
I know what he meant, just being sarcastic.
Do you reckon he could double up at Lommel?
i'm loving this
i see we speak after lommel