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The 450 championship in Lucas Oil Pro Motocross is, barring disaster, over. Red Bull KTM’s Ryan Dungey is laying waste to the field like he did in 2010 and it’s only a matter of time before he’s collecting his third major championship. We saw some great early races with Ryan and James Stewart, and that got us all excited. But with Stewart’s injury (that he says will be better by RedBud, and for that we are grateful) Dungey has taken control.
At Budds Creek Dungey went 1-1 on his Carlos Rivera-tuned KTM 450SX-F, adding approximately a second to his lead for every minute the race went on. Twenty-seconds at the twenty-minute mark, thirty seconds at thirty. Pretty remarkable feat really, and Dungey’s got to be challenged to stay focused out there with such a big lead. I suppose the only fun thing left for him is to try and pass lappers in new and unique ways. If Dungey were to be so inclined to actually open up with the media besides the usual platitudes about working hard, looking forward to next week and giving it up to his team; wouldn’t you love to hear about which lappers are causing him problems, what games he is playing out there and if he made any mistakes out on the track? He’s a robot, racing with great speed and precision. I’m not saying that Dungey blends into a pack of riders but when you’re smooth and precise, sometimes that doesn’t make for an exciting visual effect.
Ryan Dungey's dominant 2012 season continued at Budds Creek.
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That’s on us though. No matter to him, as he’ll take the wins, the bonus checks and keep building that legacy. It’s not Ryan Dungey’s fault that some of the riders that look to be able to challenge him got hurt in 2010 and it’s not his fault in 2012 either. But he’ll be there, he’ll be the Dungenator in every way possible and while we may be thinking about what could have been this summer with a Stewart/Reed/Canard/Villopoto/Dungey fight for the title, he’ll be thinking of ways to get better and in effect, put on a show that leaves you wanting more—but not from him but, from the 39 other guys.
I feel like one of these days he might throw his bike down after the finish, throw off his helmet and yell at us, “Are you not entertained?” like Russell Crowe. Yes Ryan, we are entertained but sometimes, it takes a while to appreciate greatness. We’ll get there soon, I promise.
Good thing we have the 250 class for the drama, because Ryan Dungey’s showing us that in the 450s, no one else is even close to beating him right now.
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Dungey is the man!
And why are they still talking about that Stewart guy?
450 words...... BORING!!!!
.Mit12... Maybe because RD did not win a moto UNTILL JS got hurt?? Yup I bet thats it.
I'm a Dungey Fan, but your crazy if you dont think Stewart will be back after the long break ready to win some races!! He might be out of the Championship but I bet he takes some wins away for sure.
Bill C, you are officially tied with Welker for being the biggest asshats to post on this site.
I think people who say Dungey is boring just don't have a clue. The pace he is riding at is absolutely incredible, and the fact that he does it to near perfection in every line he takes only makes it more unbelievable. There is nobody who has honed this craft anywhere near the way that he has. Those who ride as fast have scary moments and mistakes far more often, and those who ride as clean can't come close in speed. Dungey is nothing short of amazing and it's mostly due to his own incredible work ethic, the mark of a true champion.
@warrior 462.......well said. The Dungenator is like a timex, "takes a lickin' and keeps on ticken'".
@warrior462, correct!
I promise you I have a clue.. and Dungey is the most boring rider to ever go as fast as he certainly does. He's boring on the bike and he's boring off the bike. There's nothing wrong with that, he wins alot of races by being boring.. by staying off the ground and waiting for the top guys to make their mistakes. You can't blame him for being boring, but you are allowed to acknowledge it and fall asleep while he schools all of those "other" riders behind him.
The 5 was the only rider to follow the 7. How many racers can say the hounded the 7 for a moto? It seems the 5 was learning how to beat the 7 by watching and learning. He didn't need to use his new skills because the 7 went out. I believe the 5 guy would of been able to make it happen even with the 7 there.
I second the statement by @ronniebarnhardt regarding @BillC, except that I think @BillC is the most obnoxious, ignorant and consistently negative poster on here. His comments are to the point of being utterly meaningless.
How anyone can consistently insult a good kid like Dungey and demean the best guy on the track is beyond the comprehension of the true fans. I too would like to see Stewart back along with everyone else. However, insulting a guy for going out and giving his best effort is classless, or more appropriately, “classic BillC.” More precisely, insulting any of the riders is bad form.
Ryan is like a ham sandwich on white bread with out the condiments..fills you up, just not very exciting..Having said that, if I were a team manager I would want to have him as my number one rider..Work ethic, unmatched since the days of RC..Intelligent, sees the big picture and to focuses only on things that he can control..Team player, never a bad word about the team or bike..Good sport, when beaten he gives credit to his competition..Riding a Locomotive may be boring compared to flying in a jet, both will get you there, one is just a lot less of a risk...That's why I am a Ryan Dungey fan
BillC....everyone predicted that Stewart would be nothing more than a yellow lawn dart with his switch from blue...and he held true to that...you have to be in it to win it and that is not going to happen when you cant stay off the ground...Dungey obviously had Stewarts speed covered in the early rounds but its boring to guys like you because he did it without crashing...maybe you could better understand it with a math equation.... inconsistency X riding above skill level = soil sample... consistency X riding at skill level = boring
By the time this year is over Dungey will have just as many championships as Bubba in the big boy class and more 450 MX wins. Definitely NOT boring! And he is doing it all in only 3 seasons in so far! What some people who are flat bill hat wearing, fan boi fans don't realize is all that matters is wins and championships. Going fast for a few races and then predictably wadding up is what is really boring to me and to a lot of other true, knowledgable fans of the sport. While I agree that this years nationals aren't as entertaining as last years battles with Dungey, Reed, and Villy, I still enjoy watching Ryan D destroy everyone. And who knows, maybe Bubba will grab his sack and come back and ride this summer... although I'm not sure he will since he can't win the championship now. It would be fun to watch him try to hold off Dungey again and crash out.
Guys I have to agree with BillC and what I think he was trying to say. I think. RD is one of my favorite riders, but right now with none of the competition riding anywhere near his level, the 450 *action* is a bit boring. I can watch racing all day, but with one guy runing away at the front, we are longing for more. We as fans want close exciting racing, like the 250's are bringing us. I absolutely love watching RD ride. He's so smooth yet so fast its deceiveing. I remember last years Washougal National, they showed clips of both Ryans. RV looked like he was 5 seconds faster a lap but it was RD who was running faster lap times. And although I found myself screaming at my TV many times last year yelling at RD to get a bit more agressive and force the pass many times, RD's strongest asset is that he is there every weekend, every race, and does not get hurt. He is going to be there every season, unlike a lot of the other top guys.
As for Mit12, JS is talked about becasue he is a threat at any race he lines up at. The first 2 rounds proved that. Once his wrist feels better you would be a fool to think he is not going to get more wins this season.
Watching the Dungey last weekend and almost forgot 39 other riders started behind him. It is no doubt the the title is his, but that was a no brainer from the start of the season. Sure wish someone would step up to the plate. Also was impressed with Tickles ride, looking good.
Great to see all the bias against Dungy and still in the Bubba camp. When I saw Bubba go 1-1 the whole outdoor season, I was bored with that season. I thought, what’s up with that? Now you all want an outrageous, egotistical winner again that take chances to wow the crowd. I am surprised because this crowd seems to be a family crowd. Personally, I think a nice humble and thoughtful rider that stays on his bike would be a better role model than a fast, reckless, egocentric quitter.
Sure, it would be great to have them all healthy, but when a smart guy comes along that likes to race, you turn your back on him.
Shame on the fans. Quit bellyaching and enjoy the race. Lots of drama in the back of the pack. Get angry at the fact that NBC and Fuel are turning this sport into a snooze fest with the announcers being from a different sport. Hire Ricky! Put it on live ONE channel!. Geez.
I have an idea lets make Dungy race against the 250 class then he would have some people to race against! Hey he can even keep his 450 Katoom! Now we would have some racing!
Bubba who in this sport you are only as good as your last race! I think lmost of you understand that.
I think it is funny that everyone wants to bag on Dungey for being boring. I tell you what I would take boring and the championships over exciting and crashing any time.
By the way you Stewart fans are way to easy to get wound up. Stewart is one of the fastest riders in the world, he just crashes way to much.
Dungey is the safest bet for a championship every year he rides. he is by far the fastest, smoothest rider since he hit the pros, and is only gettting faster. 20-30 second leads and keeps it on 2 wheels/nice combo. boring all the way to the bank.
Comidean66. James The lawn dart Stewart nickname is a keeper. It comes in many different colors, green, blue and now in yellow. Ok Stewart fans show us all how you have no sence of humor. I don't care who you are that's funny.
MATHES STOP TALKING ABOUT BUBBLES. RD5 IS THE MAN you are the only one who fEels like that. Stewart is not that great, he is a blow it. He always blows it its not "THE BIKE" ITS THE RIDER!.
I am normally a fan of Matthes. But this was not a very good 450 words.
@Welker not a bad idea.. It is crazy going from watching the top 250 guys. Than watching the 450's and they just look slow with no effort (besides Dungey).
Wow !!!!! Five lines before I see James Stearts name !
I'll tell you are the true "asshats" on here....it's all of you who are calling BillC an "asshat"!! Every single one of you true "asshats" that are still crying like babies because you are seeing James Stewarts name pop up on here are known JS critics!! BillC just told the truth boys, JS going out changed the whole season, it was HUGE!! And speculate all you want, but James had a 14 point lead only 2 rounds in, RD for sure was making him work for it and i believe he did have some wins coming his way even with James out there, but it is an undeniable fact that this title was made about 95% easier for Dungey with the exit of James!!! Simple fact!! it is also true that it did become much less exciting (also known as boring) with no JS!! @lisaoutriding, so you are calling JS a "quitter" because he has an injury?? You sound a little bias, maybe you should just stick to riding your horsies!!!
Hey "lisaoutriding"....go saddle-up and shut up!!!
The 450 class is so boring right now. I wish the broadcasts could find the battles on the track and show us that, rather than extra long stretches of lone riders.
warrior462,
RD is definitely smooth and fast, but to say "...There is nobody who has honed this craft anywhere near the way that he has. Those who ride as fast have scary moments and mistakes far more often..." is a bit overzealous.
RD is still a bad ass; Wiemer and Alessi are searching so hard for that kind of speed and consistency.
Before Stew went out, both He and the Dunge were 30+ seconds ahead of the3rd place guy and weren't they a full minute ahead of Alessi at Freestone at the finish of that second moto?... The lap times will again show that once Dungey gets up front and gets settled in his pace, he will stay at that pace the entire moto with the exception of the last lap.... the guys battleing for 2nd and 3rd seem to slow their pace by the half way mark which allows Dungeys lead to grow even more...he stays fast, while the others slow down....
When Stewart returns, we'll probably see more 1-1 finishes from Stewart while Dungey collects his 2nd 450 outdoor title crusing to some 2-2 finishes.....Dungey and Stewart have the field covered......Alessi lasts for a few laps and Short, Grant and now Tickle are simply just not as fast....
Dungey WON his championships because he showed up to race. Just because Bubbles and RV and Reed weren't there aren't his fault.
Only fools will think that when stewart comes back that he won't be fast and either be one or two with Dungey. What alot of Stewart doubters question and lovers won't admit, is if Stewart goes 2nd in first moto, will he show for 2nd moto? Or if he takes a couple of 2nd overalls, will he bail out and not finish the season? I think the only reason Stewart is even racing this years outdoors is so he will be selected to the MXdN team. There are only 3 americans in the big bike class that can beat the top euros on their home turf, and only Dungey raced this weekend!
No one ever called Carmichael 'boring'- and no one ever critisized his competition either. Go figure.
So for everyone who called the KTM 350 a turd and that is why Andrew Short was finishing 5-7 with CR, TC and RV racing, why is he finishing 5-7 still on the Honda 450 with those guys out?
It would be funnny(never gonna happen) If Dungey hung up the 450 for a weekend and wrung out the 350 to see what the top guy(right now) in the country could really do on it.
I like how people say that Dungey wouldnt be able to beat canard/reed/villo. I have to say that villo is the fastest, but NOT by that much. If everyone was in this outdoor season, you would probs see 4-5 winners by now. They are all so close, so stop bickering and just enjoy!
i wish RV was there.
Reading all the different views on JS and RD is very interesting...some loyal fans on both sides of the fence...just wondering...To those of you who say it is boring to watch RD win, because he is out front racing alone, Was it boring when JS did the same thing in 08 with Ferry Short Byrne and Cody Cooper rounding out the top 5. All very good riders but clearly not on par with James.
This is the Great Outdoors, motocross at its finest, I don't see how it can be boring. Watching James in 08 winning every moto was not boring to me, nor was it boring when RC went 24-0 twice! We were watching one of the best riders ever, ride at the top level. He was winning by huge margins, leaving the pack to battle for seconds and thirds. Just impressive!!! Same with Dungey in 10 and now in 12, we are getting a chance to watch a young man become one the best ever, go out and dominate a group of very talented riders. Very impressive!!!
Could we as fans be spoiled? We were treated to a Supercross and Motocross season a year ago, where we had 4-5 riders win, any of whom could be considered "elite"! Through the history of moto that is the exception, rather than the rule. We had a few years where Ward, Bailey, Lechien and RJ went at it for supremacy, only to return to the dominance of McGrath and Carmichael as Marty Smith and Hannah had done before them.
Rather than say, this is boring, we should appreciate the growth of the racer, Ryan Dungey and look forward to next year, when hopefully we once again will have the perfect storm of elite riders back on the track at one time.
Barcia ,Canard, Dungey, Reed, Stewart, Villopoto and Wilson may put on a show next year that will make the years after seem boring....Nah, this is not golf, its motocross and to me at least, its never Boring!!
If lack of competitive racing for the lead is boring, then the RC Era was the most boring time in MX History.
Motohead279 thanks for having a brain in your head. I NEVER said RD was a bore but every one jumps on me LOL funny some of you need help. RD is riding awesome!! but seeing ANYONE win like that is a bit boring. You telling me it's not boring compared to the 250 class??
newguy thank you as well!!
For some reason I didnt find the RC era boring, but I did with MC in SX. That was way too easy, short and with the tracks seemingly identical... kinda boring. RC outdoors was anything but boring. The tracks were rough, tough and blazing fast. Same for today. While the 450's wont have you on the edge of your seat, its still fun to see how fast that dude can ride his dirtbike! Which is way faster than EVERYONE else!!
I do like the KTM350 idea though!!! My guess is it would take him a few extra laps to get out front and then he'd disappear.
BillC I know you just want to see close racing and understand your statement. I will agree JS adds spice to the racing. Just disagree on the boring part, to me golf or baseball are boring, both are unbearable to watch...I can appreciate their talent, but like Nascar, not for 4 hrs of it ...
By the way in looking at the top picture looks like duct tape holding left side panel on, overlapping onto the seat??? Also in second moto second lap or so Dunge slowed and took and threw something off of him, like a paper or something...then went back after Mikey A...any one know what's up with that?
Motocross to me is exciting to me no matter what, I love riding them, watching them, reading about them, etc. I wanted RD to win this year, but I was also really pulling for JS also this year.
But what would you guys rather be watching, a 4 + rider fight for the championship like we have in the 250's, where you don't know who is going to win any given weekend, or watch a race that you know who the winner is probably going to be every weekend. Face it, if your favorite rider is RD or not, we all want to have RV, JS, CR, TC back and challenging RD every weekend. For me it makes the anticipation even greater for the weekend to come.
All the comments about Dungey's hard work ethic, boring riding style, etc.. remind me of the comments made about Jeff Stanton. I think "six-time" Stanton is quite happy with his championships right now. And 10 years from now, Dungey can sit on a couch pain-free and watch highlight reel crashes from all of his competitors while he dusts his championship trophies.
They said the same thing about Jeff Stanton, that they say about Dungey.
Billc why do you always badmouth Dungey
Billc why do you always badmouth Dungey
sorry for the repeat
@BD25 and BillC I respect your coments, As you know I have been here a while.
@CZ mark ya I just had a MD 20/20, tkaking a break from house work I just gotta quit firing the maids.....
The racing is great. Dungey desers the right to dominate, Yes the tidlers are fast! It is calles racing. If I was dungy I would get bored. Back down and play with them. I know it is rude but it is fun when you can do that.
i agree welker except for the bored part I like riding dominate or not
It's the lack of a battle for the lead after three laps that's boring, not that RD is killing the competition.
I bet Kenny Roc wishes it was like that!
The worse thing that could have happened to RD was to lose his main competitors. After cruising around this summer it will take some time to get his speed back to the level it will need to be next year.
@BIILC--You still seem to play down Dungey, but answer this question.. How do you feel about Your boy Stewie not even commiting to the Nationals until RV went down?? And then winning with RV1 and Reed not even being there.. How come you wasnt playing down Stewies wins with two guys who spanked Stewie two years in a row in supercross being out?? See how hypocritical you sound.. Stewie wasnt beating the best guys, because the champ wasnt there and no mention of that from you. But as soon as Dungey wins and Stewie is out, you start your negative crap about Dungey.. Sounds hypocritical to me, and you arent a Dungey fan either..
Good lord bd200, what is your problem making this all about Stewart?? You bag on Stewart way more than BillC bagged on Dungey.....and he really wasn't even gloating over JS either.....what he said was actually true.....RD had 4 very good (well 3 i guess) opportunities to pick up a win and didn't get it done until JS went out....so, while they were both out there, RD did not get a win!! You need to watch the hypocrisy buddy!!
One thing I notice is that the only rider that consistently gets badmouthed around here is James Stewart; from simple insults like "lawn dart" to flat-out racist remarks about "cranial size." I rarely see comments about other riders drop into the gutter like that. If it isn’t obvious to any of you that all the top riders crash and get hurt all too regularly, I don’t know what to tell you other than to look at the injury list. To those that imply Dungey never crashes, etc. – didn’t he just miss 1/3 of the SX season?
It is a shame nearly all the top 450 riders are out right now, but I don’t think it takes away from RD. I don’t find him boring, but his domination with JS out makes it less exciting to watch. RD is riding stronger than ever, and all the others know he is getting better while they are recuperating and their skills slowly eroding.
It will be great when JS comes back, but too bad the point spread is so wide already.
I just hope next year we will see them all stay healthy. That could lead to an amazing set of battles.
Not MX but funny stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHb4gs1hwck&feature=player_embedded
BD200... Take a deep breath.....OK.... Now tell me where I said 1 bad word about RD.... Just 1 bad thing. If you can't ( witch you can't) I will check back for your apology.
. Also sence when is JS my boy?? Also you may want to check your facts on JS and the Nats as far as RV goes.
.Whats hypocritical is all the JS bashers who were no where to be seen when JS was winning...But as soon as he goes out..... THERE they are!!.... I am here weather my guy (RV) wins or loses. The fair weather fans suck!!!
call-it .... Nailed it!!! Good post.
The sad thing is that Call-it is right. These guys who are mad at me for bad mouthing RD are crazy, All I said was FACTS, RD did not/ could not beat JS before he got hurt. RD started in front of JS 3 out of the 4 moto's and JS won them all. If you call that bashing RD your are all NUTS!!
@the_great_outdoors wrote: about 1 hour ago
.Billc why do you always badmouth Dungey
.Same thing for you, Find something bad I said.
everyone just calm down
BD25... True. Its the raceing side of it thats boring with no one left in RD's leage. I could sit and watch RD ride all day and have said that before. he is so smoooooth it's sick somtimes. but when he slowly goes by people and then wins by 30+ sec its not as fun to watch when you sit down to watch a "race" it's not RD's fault and I would think he is a bit boared out there also. Hell did you see JS when he took his helmet off after on of there 30min battles, He had a HUGE smile and said that was fun as he was pulling his helmet off. you can't fake that. I really don't know how RD can saty so focused with no one there.
It would be more exciting if Dungey got a really bad start and had to carve his way thru the pack- But if he wins by a mile its a display of dominance. If a fighter knocks a guy out in the first round its exciting- but then but if it goes the distance you have more fighting to watch. Cant have it both ways.
Can't we all just get along?
RIP Rodney King
As stated previously, the 450 season ended before it began.
But the future 450 class could be the best 450 class in a long time.
If all of the major racers are healthy and competing, the field will be stacked.
@CALL-it--I never badmouthed Stewie. I asked BillC. how come he never played down Stewies wins because he wasnt beating the best.. Just like BILLC is playing down Dungeys wins because he isnt beating Stewie.. How is that bad-mouthing Stewie.
@BILLC--Dont hold your breath waiting for an apology for nothing.. I simply asked a question that you now wont answer. So I will ask again.. You play down Dungeys wins because he didnt beat Stewie. But you never played down Stewies wins and he didnt beat RV1 , the reigning Champ. The things you have said about Dungey, you could say 90% of the same things about Stewie and his wins, but you wont.. Why??? Lats see if BillC answers...
@BILC, you also asked "Since when is JS my boy" REALLY?? YOu have always defended Stewie to the teeth ever since I have posted on this site.. You were so irrate that Shorty got picked over Stewie for the Des Nations you even said "If the US loses the Des Nations, I bet it will be because of Short".. You ALWAYS defend Stewie..
lol i love reading some of you retards continue to claim dungey is faster than stewart... as someone stated above, dungey just stays consistent and is fortunate enough to avoid injury. I respect dungey but he would not be in the same position if all of the top riders were in for this season. Also, you guys claiming that dungey isn't boring? It doesn't matter who it is... no one wants to watch ANYONE dominate the rest of the field... we wanna see f*cking intense battles, which is why I've shifted my focus toward the 250 class. Half of you also spend countless hours a day commenting on every article mentioning stewart, talking shit like imbeciles.
BillC..We are in agreement, I am sure RD would like to be racing JS. It is more fun to dice than run off and hide. The only way to get better is to race the best. Its is true Ryan had yet beat the James, that Stewart had passed Ryan early on in each moto. Ryan was passed by Alessi early on several times too. Where James will make moves quickly, Ryan will sit back, let the race come to him..To me, that would be hard to do, unless your very confident in your ability. James would open up small leads before Ryan would reel him back in. Lakewood would have been interesting if not for Stewart going down. With the two of them being so equal speed, it would be hard for RD to pass JS. Dungey is reluctant to run it in on some one, he prefers to wait for a mistake to make a clean pass, if one does not come, he will take his points and try another day. Two different styles equal great racing..
Also, in your defense, I have yet to read a bad thing you have said about Ryan, where I have read many compliments. I think some read more into your posts than is there, as with out inflection of the voice, it is easy to be misunderstood.
KoLaughLin971..........if you shifted all your focus on the 250 class what are you doing at the 450 words? Get outa here man.
BillC is Mr. Controversy.
Matthes just played you all like a public school recorder. Have some dignity.
Our sport is under attack by government offices, local counties (see the Speedworld article), and communities expanding into formerly remote track areas. This is a site devoted to the sport, teams, riders, sponsors and advertisers. Anyone that is a true fan of motocross would not say negative things about any rider, Dungey, Stewart, or the guy crossing the line in 40th.
If you want to say negative things about a rider create your own blog and see how many people you get following you. This is a pro-MX/SX private site established for free by RacerX. If you are slamming any rider(s), team(s), or sponsors you are clearly no fan of the sport.
I think some are taking the boring RD comments a little too hard. He does have that KW type style where he looks slow while going fast. He's also way out front which is the biggest reason the 450 motos are a bit of a bore without JS. I'm a huge RC fan but I got bored watching him win by 5 minutes over and over.
I guess I'm a little greedy but I can't stop wishing we could see RD, RV, JS, and CR battle it out. Maybe next year...
@bd200, these are your words....."How do you feel about Your boy Stewie not even commiting to the Nationals until RV went down?? And then winning with RV1 and Reed not even being there.. How come you wasnt playing down Stewies wins with two guys who spanked Stewie two years in a row in supercross being out??".....um, say what you want due, but that is bad-mouthing as far as i am concerned..........and for you to downplay JS winning the first two rounds without RV and Reed there is a little stupid....he did beat the 2010 champ and the guy who in all reality would have won last year had he not run out of fuel....to me that is pretty commendable!!!! RD did not beat JS when he had every opportunity to do so......BillC just stated the facts, whether you like them or not....still facts!!
BD25, I saw on the replay RD ran over and picked up what looked like a plastic bag. he reached down a couple of times and threw it off.I sure he didn't want it in his radiator.Nobody said anything about it either.
@jonr290 ...I normally think your comments are some of the best on here ...but I think anyone can say basically what they want until racerx puts a clamp on it ..its their site not yours or mine and believe me...i detest some of the racist (handlebore,jair) and idiotic crap and even most of billc's stuff....but he said the 450 class was boring ...sorry I agree ..he did'nt bust Dungeys chops as he is riding incredible ..no doubt..he also made a statement about why OTHERS (the article)were still taking about Havoc..which was TRUE....there are alot of FANS who don't see it as you or I might , always have been and will be for as long as there are web sites and snow fences...if anyone.... ANYONE (except handlebore cause he just hates Stewart cause hes black) doesn't think the racing would be better in the 450 class with some competition for the WIN..(.like RV1 ,22 ,41, 7 ,14..even 377...etc or 20 ) tell me why...I'm listening....taking absolutely NOTHING from RD5 ...its not his problem whos NOT out there ...it would just be more interesting to ME to watch him race the bike instead of just ride around on it by himself.
Too bad all the fast guys are out! I'm sure there has never been a season where the top four fastest guys all crashed out in the same year! We finally had the racing we wanted to see, it's hard to settle with with a season where the slowest of the bunch dominates a tickle.
bd200.... I will type real slow for you. I can't answer your question because it is stupid...Why?? Because I DID NOT DOWN PLAY RD'S WIN... get it??
.so back to you BD200, HOW and Where did bad mouth RD?? Come on now you said it so back it up!! Seems like others on here see like I do that I did NOTHING wrong but you and others seem to have issues with it so tell us what it is!! Fell free to join in others who went off on me as well.
. Tonewall...Thanks, I know your no fan of mine but a stand up guy I guess.
A big thank you to BD25 as well, You seem to be a very level headed guy on here, Get your point across without ever bad mouthing or name calling anyone...And thats not easy somtimes LOL
JonR290 ...Come on you had a LOT of bad things to say about me but now seem to be dodgeing the question as well. back it up!!
People forget that if Dungey didn't have mechanical issues last year he would have won both Championships, every other top guy who stuffed up only had himself to blame. Dungey is as fast as the others he just chooses not to be as aggressive. In a head to head battle like he was having with James it doesn't pay off but in a five way thrash fest like last year was where the other 4 top guys will all take each other out at some point, Dungey showed that just being fast and staying clean can work it worked in 2010 pretty well and it's going allright for him this year
Well said Tonewall.
RV and CR are done for the season, but hopefully JS will be back for Redbud. He had RD's # the first 2 rounds, but they were very equal in speed. At Freestone I think RD might have been a tad faster (taking slower/alternate lines and eating roost and still being right on his rear wheel is hard to do) . But Stewarts agressiveness is what gets him to the front, much like RV does. He simply does not waste time. It would have been a great summer for the title as there was no way that JS would have won them all. At least if he comes back with a good wrist we can have some good close racing for race wins.
BillC . Thanks, I try and keep an open mind. I know my opinion is just that, an opinion. We are all entitled to one and just because its mine, does not make it right.
@Jason_Johno is right! Dungey would have won BOTH of last years championships, if he hadn't had mechanical failures! On that same note JS7 would have won if he didn't always eat dirt! It doesn't matter what would have happened "if"! Its all about being consistant! Last years Rockstar Makita Suzuki team was not consistant, not that the rider wasn't consistant!
JS7 wasn't pulling out 30 second leads on the rest of the pack...and certainly not RD5! For RD5 to do that is pretty amazing, shows some true speed! I think he will only get better as the outdoor season goes on, and will be able to out right beat JS7...if he comes back from his injured hand!
@Usrnameunknown, actually JS7 and RD were pulling out 30 seconds on the rest of the back.....go back and watch the first two races again.......it even pushed a minute in one moto!! Check it out!!
billc i have never badmouthed Dungey but i recall you doing so, many times last year in the nationals example going for the w ryan dungey "Call it what you want but IMO if you don't get out of shape once in a wile or crash once in a wile you are not giving it 100%. How do you know your limit if you don't?? Either way RD has left a LOT of points on the table this year because of passes he did not make.
.You can say he has beaten them all at some point this year but I still have not seen him pass and beat JS or RV (sans the one moto when RV was still sick and faded) unless they crash but thay have do it to him.
. RD is a hard guy to chear for, I was screming at him to pass Reed a few times this year because it will help RV and he just can't pass the guy even though he was faster." that was you
mostly the first paragraph
I had to scroll through the posts to make sure I didn't reiterate someone else's thoughts.
MX618 & rjstreets
The comparison of Dungey to Stanton is very astute. They might be the most "Vanilla" multi-time champs out there........the record books certainly don't care but, some of the fans of the sport do, it would seem.
"You" cannot make Dungey exciting just as you cannot make Stewart crash-free. That's just the way it is. Some embrace the robot-like "Dungenator" just as others embrace the chaos that is "Havoc #7".....to each their own.
@ Lisaoutriding, great to see you posting! Those are valid points. Leave it to the nimrods to discount the family aspect of our sport.
Any chance of catching up at Elsinore!
the_great_outdoors ....Are you kidding me??
.1 "Call it what you want but IMO if you don't get out of shape once in a wile or crash once in a wile you are not giving it 100%. How do you know your limit if you don't?? Either way RD has left a LOT of points on the table this year because of passes he did not make..... I said ....."IMO" about the crashing, and as for the points ...Thats a Fact. I can think of at least 3 times he did not/could not pass Reed even tho he was faster, one time he fell and ran him down again and stayed behinde him for 15 laps in SX....Not putting RD down just what happen.
.2 .You can say he has beaten them all at some point this year but I still have not seen him pass and beat JS or RV (sans the one moto when RV was still sick and faded) unless they crash but they have done it to him....Again Fact, that was last year in SX, RV had passed RD but RD never passed him..Fact...How is that putting RD down??
.3 RD is a hard guy to chear for, I was screming at him to pass Reed a few times this year because it will help RV and he just can't pass the guy even though he was faster." that was you..... Yup again my opion and fact. How is that putting RD down?? it was what happen.
.i think you are way to sensitive, There was no bashing there just facts and opion. I did not say anything bad unless you think saying he did not make a pass is bad mouthing him??
Typical BS from BillC, try to ask a simple question, and he has to insult and act like a tard. "Type real slow for me" AS$hole. That is what that makes you right there.. And you say you wernt playing down RD's win, bull. Sayiong he never won until Stewie went down is playing down his wins.. Buts its alright in your eyes that Stewie jumped in AFTER RV1 went out and hasnt beaten the defending champ.. I thopught you might have actually grown up a little, but I see you havent. See ya, Idiot comments like that one is one reason I stay off the comment boaerds.. Too many smart as$es hidden safely behind a keyboard..
BillC has been branded a "Dungey-hater". He'll burn at the stake next to me on the "Stewie-hater" wood pile......haha. I'm picturing the old Kiedrowski vs Bradshaw "Anti" stickers with their numbers in the centers......hilarious.
bd200 like always you cry and name call. You are crazy, Saying that me saying RD did not win before JS got hurt ( A FACT ) bugs you that much and you think that a FACT is baggin on RD.. WOW you do need help. IF you ever raced you must have been the biggest cry baby ever!! No wonder you voted for oBama...You want everything to be equel...Guess what IT'S NOT, Some people are smarter, some are more drivin and some are faster. Grow up dude....
.RD got beat.......Don't say that or you baggin on him!! LMFAO!!
thanks Carlsbad. Someday we can meet up in Elsinore! I would love to. I am trying my best to get to Redbud this year, but I am currently caregiving for my bedridden father. it is 24-7 and I have some family help, but not as much as I need. Had to give my horse up for now and my moto (Y125), but when this is over, (it will be sad) I plan to travel to all the outdoor motos for one whole season. That is what keeps me positive right now. Love the moto, again, please put it on tv in one shot. This NBC coverage is killing me and the sport. MX is so much more interesting than road racing to me. Much more interesting and I wish the announcers were more into it too. i did like the Brittish dude, but I would love to have Chad Reed or Ricky C in the booth..kinda like Maddon!
See you all at Redbud, Godd willing! (I hope JS7 is there too!)
Billc, I apoligize for that I reread your post and now understand it.
".Mit12... Maybe because RD did not win a moto UNTILL JS got hurt?? Yup I bet thats it. " That's mainly what provoked me to ask.
Hey "bd200"......well einstein, there is no way that JS could have beaten "the defending champ" (RV) because he hasn't been able to race him outdoors yet!! You do understand that don't you?? What a stupid comment to make, as is your whole idea that the only reason he decided to go outdoors was because RV was out......what a dipshit!!
the_great_outdoors ... No problem Buddy.
call-it...LOL
@Bill. first off, I never said you bagging on RD bugs me, I asked you if it was the same for Stewie because he was winning but NOT BEATING the fastest guy because the fastest guy was injured. And you say I was saying you were saying bad things about RD, show me were I said that>> I didnt, I said you were playing down his wins, which you were.. And you went all retarted..
And you saying "I will type real slow" is an insult and the same as name calling. God sometimes you are a total moron.
Playing down his wins = saying bad things.
. Like Others have said, HOW can JS beat RV when RV is NOT there?? RD could not beat JS,.......... JS BEAT everyone there thats all he can do.
.WOW