The Moment: Stewart's Bad Start
Tuesday, March 6, 2012 | 5:00 PM
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There are a lot of questions about JGR Yamaha’s James Stewart this year. Why has the former SX and MX champion only been able to win one race thus far? Where’s the magic that we’ve all seen before? Is it the bike? Is there something wrong with him physically? Will he win another race this year?
The last two weeks of the Monster Energy Supercross series have produced some great rides for Stewart, but unfortunately he doesn’t have much to show for it. Last week he didn’t get the start he wanted but, at one point, was catching race leader Ryan Dungey until James was forced to roll a triple due to a downed rider—and that was all she wrote. A podium spot was garnered but there was more “What ifs?”
Once again a bad start, and subsequent crash, would cost Stewart.
Photo: Carl Stone
This week, Ryan Villopoto was flying in practice and in his heat race, so fans were hoping to maybe see a battle in the main with Villopoto and perhaps Stewart or Dungey. But in what we here at Racer X are calling “The Moment” Stewart’s night was ruined right from the start. He didn’t just not get a good start, he got a horrible start. Then he tagged another rider’s back tire and went down on the first lap. And that is what happens when you don’t get a start and are back there with a bunch of other riders who are panicking and trying to get to the front ASAP.
Stewart picked his bike up and got back on the horse and at times was the fastest rider on the track as he cut through traffic. He made it up to his teammate Davi Millsaps but that’s where the charge slowed. A couple of laps in the 53-second range was all it took to rob Stewart of a run at the podium. After getting by Millsaps, he wicked it up to a couple of 51’s but the damage was done. You can’t gate like he did and expect good things to happen.
After the race I asked James about his start.
“We were looking at the data, and something happened right off the gate. When I dumped the throttle, it didn’t go when I thought it would,” said an exasperated Stewart after the race.
Will Stewart be able to find his form in Daytona?
Photo: Simon Cudby
Yesterday I spoke with JGR team manager Jeremy Albrecht and he said the data recovered from the bike did indeed show that something was up with the clutch dragging the motor down and the theory is the gate dropped early, James’ rhythm in letting the clutch out wasn’t right and the motor bogged down. A rider has his patterns and behaviors off the start, and due to the gate going a little earlier than he maybe have anticipated Stewart was thrown off.
We’ll never know how Stewart would have done with a good start, the lap times say he would’ve been a factor. As with a lot of weeks this season, Stewart is left wondering once again.
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Its very strange that the problems ALWAYS happen in the main events. Is he scared to run with RV and RD ?? I didnt think so, but now I have to wonder.
I don't know how a gate drop surprises a rider, I mean once the 30 second board goes away it could drop anytime.
Stewart just needs to practice his starts till he used up a few clutches and not trying to guess how long the gate will be held. It's all about reaction time. Just practice.
Stewie has been racing for years and got a bad start, it happens.. Why all the anology and looking into it deeper than you need to?? It happens to the best of them. I dont remember all this analytical crap going on when Mcgrath stated not winning when RC finally took the series over, so why is this any different. The same guy isnt going to win forever.. Stewie has won 2 titles, its not a bad run. And the young guns are hungrier, and worked harder than him now because of that.. They arent taking any breaks or time off, and its paying off for them. They are younger and what it as bad as Stewie in his younger days. It happens, dont over analyze it..
"the theory is the gate dropped early"
No it didn't.
No, only James gate dropped early, the rest dropped on time.
That's why he got a bad start.
reaching.... REALLY REACHING.....
Its answered very simple, The days of domination are over..... Its harder to win races now, The competition is faster and fitter than ever, Riders will race him now and not bow out and move over like they did in the past.
He cant just sit there and tell himself he is better than everyone else anymore because hes not, He now has to step up his game, he came into this year over confident and under prepared plain and simple. The field has stepped up and he wasn’t ready for how much. Its funny how the media and James will never except that though.
If you come into a season over confident and under prepared this is what happens He has to work harder now than he ever did before to be there every week, but this years prep was done and you have results..................
He was asleep on the gate. It happens to everyone. Everyone has blinked waiting for the gate to drop and missed that initial twich. I just wish James would stop blaming the bike for his lack of recent success. I guess you have to blame something if your ego won't let you blame yourself. Blame the bike, or the tires, or the suspension, or the engine, or the gate drop....
Stewart will be fine. Give him a holeshot and that's all she wrote.
Really thats his excuse? I thought this guy was a top level Pro? The best of the best if you will?
This is what his response should of been:
"I have struggled every race this year except one, and this race was no different.. My decesion to sit out and not race motocross might be to blame why i am struggling this year and last year as well! Racer's race and i choose to stay home and not work on my set up, um i mean i work on the bike all summer and i still get worked! Maybe Coach will let me in the cup car so i can quit giving out dumb excuess as to why i am getting worked again this year" JS.
Too many Stewart haters...how about you guys jump on a bike and show everyone how it's done. :)-
Where the F()&*& are all his comments about blaming the bike? Please show me. This is the only artical thus far that blames the bike. He has been quiet about it. Hence everyone else talking and trying to figure his season out. He will not bash the bike or the brand in front of the media or sponsors. Somehow everyone's created excuses for him, have turned into words from his mouth. In fact he is just now coming out of the closet stating they are doing big strides in testing and getting closer to what he likes in a bike. Some people clash with bikes and dont mention it but it becomes apparent in their riding.
What a total junk heap that Yamaha is....Take the traction control sensor off and it becomes completely unridable..Cant seem to dial it in with those junk Pirellis...need better mechanics man
C'mon Albrecht, get that clutch adjusted so it can time the gate better for petes sake.
Change the 7 back to 259, and things will begin to take shape. Or simply Ride Red!
Everyone expected great things from Stewart the moment he appeared to the masses. So much talent and a style that is unique like his DNA. Somehow the train has come off the tracks. He has so many people around him that he has taken care of and they just keep coming. Yes the money has flowed but so have the demands. Somewhere inside is one of the worlds greatest racer. The stuff that doesn't matter has taken its toll.
I support him no matter the outcome. Good luck James
Welcome @pooky to the I only come on to bag on JS7 club.....you are one of many. J-sloan for the first time ever I agree. But his real problem is still green with a big #1 on it. It won't be that easy even if and when the total bogus Pirellis and whatever glitch gets fixed....and the moon is full and the cards are right and the ...and so on....I'm an RV guy but a win by Havoc7 once in a while keeps the haters down........I don't remember anyone else (mac ) getting so much grief when they sat out...mac started this Cr*p blame him....
"how about you guys jump on a bike and show everyone how it's done. :)-"
Pretty much any couch potato here could jump on Stewarts 60hp bike and get it off the gate without bogging and bang a couple gears. I know I could. After the first turn its a different story but it just goes to show how much of a novice mistake that was and James' lack of focus this year. When is he going to take responsibility for riding the bike?
I cannot believe no one else has seen this. It's the damned GoPro that"s throwing him off. A few more ounces on top of that already overly inflated head, and there you have it! Jeez, really people, it's simple physics! He can't keep balanced on the bike. His cg is all off because of that camera.
Even with the start, and a 5 second gap at mid race JS's chances of actually winning that race would have only been 50/50. That boy could screw up a cup of coffee.
Matthes see what you started. Are you happy now? LOL
The gate dropped early ?
NO, the gate drops when it drops. Reflexes in anticipation of movement are late or early
Looking forward to seeing what James does with a lane full of RV.
JimM
Pala374
Millsaps gate dropped on time.........Ouch !
JimM
Pala374
Not bad Tampabayjay!
My (non-expert) opinion is that James is suffering after-effects from all the concussions he has had. Most of his crashes seem to be lapses in concentration/poor reaction time and the bad starts can also be a slow reaction issue. No one talks about that, but numerous concussions can slow the time it takes for the mind to react to input. Testing for concussions now uses healthy reaction times vs. concussed reaction times for comparison. They are still in the infancy stages with understanding concussions, but there is no question that many concussions can lead to permanent damage. He has had a LOT of lights out moments.
It is always bit puzzling when posters on here start implying that Stewart has wasted his potential, or didn't fulfill expectations. Five national championships, a perfect season, third most wins in SX, and the record for most 125 wins. He could quit today and be considered one of the most successful riders ever.
I want to see him get a main holeshot just to see what happens.
So tired of Stewart having an excuse for EVERYTHING! Incredible talent & ability paired with NO humility... nothing is ever his fault! Just own it - You rode really well, but messed up the start a bit and had to come through the pack, there's no shame in that!
I don't think we will see a RV vs JS battle.
RV doesn't need the risk and the reward is what = nothing
RV is points and points away from JS
RV only needs to focus on himself and keep RD in check.
I'm sorry for JS, everyone wanted to see him up front but it hasn't happened. He may get a win here and there but clearly there are other riders faster.
I feel like it is at the point where James is just searching so hard for something, anything new that works that they are missing the mark or changing something else that was working fine.
Look at the St Louis photo gallery. 2 things jumped out at me. First, it looked like James is praying in one photo. I don't recall him expressing much religion before.
The other thing I noticed is that he and Malcolm are swapping one of their gloves
with eachother. Maybe it's just a sibling thing or maybe they really believe they need to find luck to make things work?
I think an earlier post hit it on the head. They both need to get through this season and work their asses off to get in shape, put in the laps, practice the starts and stay out of the lime light and the media. In otherwords " outwork everyone at your craft "
The skill is there.
I too hope JS7 gets a holeshot, for the sake of all his fans though, I hope you are not standing on a bridge if RV runs him down and passes him.
mx bob, I agree for the most part, but do wonder about his reaction time- it has seemed off for 2-3 years now.
For anyone to say he is off the rails/ washed up etc is ridiculous, he is third in points- still in the top two in lap times still killing it in heats. To be doing this well with as many times as hes been on the ground is crazy good. We are all missing the fights to the finish with RV, and CR we were hoping for and yes he at this point seems to have lost a small edge. I still think he may just come around and kick some butt this year. But I have to say with a healthy TC, Barcia, RD, RV, CR, Brayton, DW, and a few more next year he will be slim pickins at the top. Heres hoping he stays healthy ! ! ! !
So JS7 gets a bad start and it was "the gate dropped early", and that's perfectly plausible, right? But, two weeks ago Roczen mistimed the gate and it wasn't an early drop, it was that he simply sucks rotten monkey balls.
Bla Bla Bla........Why did none of the other riders have a problem with the gate????
Own up........JS7 your not the fastest man on the planet anymore!!!!!!!!!
Stop making excuses, put your head down and start working harder if you want it that bad.
@bd200,, hmmmm,, I just can't seem to figure you out. Since when did you start sticking up for JS ????
Why hasn't he won more races? Isn't it obvious by now? It's because there are other racers now that can prevent him from winning. Changing of the guard and all that jazz. I think Bubba will continue to be a threat to win at every race but nobody should expect to see a return to pure dominance like we saw in the past. That time is bye bye.
One thing about the Stewart/JGR situation is the fact that they gave Stewart the option to race outdoors. If he doesn't race the outdoors does JGR think he will come back in Jan. and be faster than he is now. These riders are hungry and every outdoor season he skips he is losing ground. I find it amazing that since this hiring nobody knew for sure if he was racing the outdoors. There was talk about different options and if he won a championship (SX) etc.. Even DC said yep, James is back to racing the outdoors. Jeremy Albrecht said if James didn't want to race outdoors why would they want to force him? Huh? How about so he gets better and maybe win an outdoor title. James is an incredible talent but if he doesn't race the outdoors I think it will show that his heart isn't in it anymore. It's all about $$$. If he wants to win any more championships IMO he has to race the outdoor nationals.
Does he still have the drive to be the best, we'll soon find out.
OK, let me see if I have this correct.
The clutch somehow grabbed to much, after the gat dropped "early", causing a bog which got him off the gate slow....then cleared up for no additional problems in the race? Hmm, maybe is running into the other guy and going down on lap one cleared it up?
I feel bad for poor Jeremy who had to make up some of this dribble to try and support the fragile ego of the rider who....
miss timed the gate and feed to much clutch to try and compensate......AND then ran into someone.
Someone call Mulder and Skully, we have a true X files case on our hands.
When JS7 rides fill in for CR22 in the nationals this year, the bike problems will go away....................
MX,
they are not bike problems.
@open_class - sounds about right.
Motorcycle racing is a confidence game, and that happens somewhere between your right and left ears.
Mr. Stewarts results do seem inexplicable at times, but then I recall the very enlightening Eighteen Minute, Fourteen Second interview from"Steve" on pulpmx from about a year ago where Aldon Baker shares his feelings on the subject.
(hope it is ok to link): http://www.pulpmx.com/stories/eighteen-minutes-fourteen-seconds-aldon-baker
People who think the yamaha 450 is a good bike are crazy! cant you see no privateer is willing to use their own money to buy one!? James needs to be on a kawi...
JAmes is not riding a YZF450. He is riding a JGR 450. Truly. They have modified that thing to be whatever they want it to be.
Now, with respect to the Kawi. Yes, everyone should be riding that bike as it is the best platform available
Seriously, a special article about how the media darling got a bad start? You have got to be kidding me! How about an article about the other riders who got a bad start? How about an article about Seely's spectacular get off? How about anybody but this guy? Why does he still get so much media? Why do I continue to come here and get my blood pressure up?
James has spent too much time away from the race track over the last three years. He cant do that and still win championships. The other guys got faster while he was gone. He has to ride over his head to keep up and winds up on the ground.
And one more thing, he in winning his heat races and setting the fastest or 2nd fastest laps every race, but chokes in the main, and it is the bike? Doesn't add up. Does the YZ have a servo motor controlled by a PLC or is it human controlled? EXACTLY!
@mxmofo--Its because you have been way to quick to judge over a comment. I have told you time and time again, I dont bag on him like you think.. You just for some reason think every time I dont kiss his tail, its an insult to Stewie.. Not really sure why you care if I bag on him or stick up for him, unless you are related to him or something>> But I dont bag on him, just dont like to hear any professional who is making millions doing what we do for free and fun, make excuses.. Or worse yet, so called fans makiing excuses for him.. I have been attacked on here by Stewtards just for saying--"No excuses, just say I got beat and go on".. and guys have jumped all over me and called me a hater and all kinds of nonsense.. Just like the last race,Stewie got a bad start, and then made another mistake and went down, period. Dont over analyze it or anything. The firld is too deep to make those mistakes and get a podium, unless somebody else screws up late in a race. Its that simple..
@uneasy your final question is a good one.
Its always the bikes fault. He will be on a different bike outdoors...
It is That Blue machine. Ask yourself why Pourcel left the blue bike and went green and after that he won again in Europe on green. reedy has said himself that the blue bike was so unfriendly. Reedy also admited he wanted to finish his career riding blue but the bike isnt racer friendly
JS7 season so far goes like this 9 races 1 win and 7 crashes. So as I see it there are 6 more crashes and may be 1 more win in the last 8 races. Daytona is next JS7 seems to crash big there. It's not the bike it's just JS7 win or crash.
I think 'Ping' coined the perfect acronym for JS7 a while back...,
C.O.W. [Crash Or Win].
PROBLEM SOLVED = STEWART NEEDS TO OBTAIN RYAN DUNGEY'S 2013 KTM 450SXF WORKS MOTOCROSS BIKE. TALK ABOUT A FLASH RIDE ....
Right now Stewart is the most sucessful rider racing at this time , that is why he gets so much media att., the other two are retired , RC and MC ...you guys know that right ?
Also in regards to Stewie and his apparent bike challenges, Reedy's Hondas are for sale ....
i just saw James in a music video- see Madonna's "like a prayer" you will not believe it
When you're James Stewart, not winning races makes your bike look like sh*t.
He's been doing that for Yamaha since he moved to L&M.
I can imagine Yamaha just wants him to go away by now.
Not here to beat a dead horse, senseless! But I don't get, how is it James can bust those fast lap times in practice, run up front, then choke in the main. Has he no killer instinct in him? Or is his killer RV. Could James be afraid to go toe to toe with Ryan. Maybe winning is not that easy for him and he just doesn't have it in him anymore. Millsaps looked great on his bike, I would expect James bike to be even better dialed in. Hopefully he will figure something out or reach deep inside himself asking, how bad do you want it?
You can see in the GoPro video how much slower he reacted to the gate. The video also makes it even more clear that there was zero thought involved with him going into the corner where he fell. On TV it looked like a dumb move, but from his view there was nothing there yet he rode in like those 2 guys weren't there. He could've gone down a few turns earlier where he slammed into Alessi like he didn't even see him there. It really appears to be an issue between the ears and not the bike. Strange that he wins the heat going away but says he felt terrible on the bike in that race yet he felt awesome in the main? I'm pulling for him to get it together and be a somewhat factor outdoors.
I would have to say that Jeremy's record is most likely safe. Well RV is starting to tally up those wins so maybe its not THAT safe. I just dont think James has that much heart in this anymore. I dont know, its not right for me to assume that. Thats just the way it appears. Can we finally talk about the real story of the race and that would be RV's killer ride or RD running up so close at the end?
Taking too much time off in cruise mode while hanging around that dirty french turd Sorby getting stoned has made JS look limp and a bad return on investment.
The only record JS will break is Sorby's cheap a.s.s. crash & burn take out stats.
We are all looking at a former champion who was once too c.o.c.k.y. for his own good and now hes getting some of his own back. If the top 5-7 riders drop out of the big class he might have a chance at 3rd overall is he can stay on the blue mule.
@CZmark,.. ya hit the nail on the head, in my opinion. His heart isn't into it anymoreat least not at the level it was a few years ago. The natural talent doesnt cover the bases anymore, and I dont think he is willing or capable of doing the things he needs to do. Its not a part time gig, to run up there, it has to be your world, and I dont think its bubbas anymore. Maybe he has reached his personal goals long ago? I dunno, we'll see. GL James.
Bubbles is the tiger woods of moto-x,one day at the top,and the next you all know,sad
Stewart is the most successful rider racing at this time???? I hope you were making a funny, cause that is total BS! 2 titles, don't make you the most successful!
Besides SX, there's this sport called motocross, where he won 3 additional titles, making 5.
I'm not sure he needed to have his mental game at 100% early in his career, because he was just so much faster than his competitors (except RC). Now that there are guys that can match or beat his speed, it's a lot different situation for him.
The fact is JS is still fast but not capable of winning anymore and there could be numerous reasons for this but I would suspect desire to be on top. Another fact is he is now irrelevent being over 50 points behind. What I detest is the media showing him coming through the pack when a race is going on up front because he does not deserve any TV time. Why did they not show Dungey moving up or better still how RV was riding the track.
JS stated he was going to own every record in motocross when he came into professional racing and just recently said his goal is to break McGrath's supercross record. Why would anyone say this after finishing fourth the year before and is only half way to the record? The fact is he will never pass RC's 48 let alone McGrath.
well that first picture at least illustrates the he still owns the scrub. he's gotta be the only rider who creates ruts on jump faces ... with his foot pegs!
Are you guys forgetting that even Dungey and RV get bad starts sometimes?? HOLY CHRIST LEAVE STEWART ALONE. This is getting like the golf channel analyzing the analyzing of Tiger Woods. STEWART was the fastest man on the track.. He has talent in spades. I wonder why Laroccos starts werent analyzed like this? That guy was a complete mess at the gate and told me he coudnt get his heart rate up to save his life. He had heart monitors on during races even.
Here, I will throw out a conspiracy theory you can chew on. Maybe james doesnt want a start because he is in fear of getting beat straight up by Villipoto and losing his "fastest man on the planet" stigma. MAYBE he is sandbagging starts cause his fitness or bike isnt ready to contend. MAYBE he is trying so hard he is going backwards and not enjoying racing. Maybe he has the worst case of hemorrhoids known to man and his mind is elsewhere. Who the heck knows!!!???
Everyone here better hope Stewart finds his mojo, because the season will be boring without him. I am depressed Reed went out, i went from not being able to stand him 5 years ago, to my favorite rider. Weird..Emig as well. He went from a stuttering punk that I couldnt stand in 1995, to my favorite rider late 90's and I am so proud of how awesome of announcer he has become and such a classy ambassador for our sport. FRO is the man.
SORRY about my rant, but picking on riders gets old. Its fun for awhile.. if we should clap for anyone, its justin brayton. I so want him to click up to the next level.. he is a larocco or stanton type rider that we need.
1: Stewart cursed himself by saying he wants to beat McGrath's record, then retire...When people say he is not C0CKY or ARROGANT, it makes laugh...why not race because you love racing. Keep it as a personal goal and keep it PERSONAL. That way when you fail, you don't look like and idiot.
2: I can't believe nobody else has figured it out..."It's gotta be the shoes" Air Jordan's worked for Michael, but seems to fail for Bubba.
@uneasyrider .... Js7 is ranked third in wins ,since the beginning of the sport , he is at this time the most sucessful racer riding at this time , you must be new to the sport , or you would know that , I am sure most of us on here know that as well , Just the facts ! Brush up dude , then post ! LOL
I like how Albrecht's spin on what actually happened still lands at it being the rider's fault. Hang on to the glory days Preston, that's all there is now. He hasn't done anything since 2009 except cool-guy his way down from the top doing everything but focussing completely on racing. You can tell by his demeanor this reality check isn't resting so well with him, some humble pie will do that to people. I'm almost at the point now that I want to see him on another bike now, my guess is the results won't change.
I have news for all you people who obviously have never raced motocross:
ALL racers are c0cky.
ALL racers are arrogant.
ALL racers have egos.
Even sh1tty racers, but especially really good ones.
To crucify any professional athlete for being c0cky is stupid. It's one of the reasons why they excel and you don't
I thought it was illegal to jump the triple while a rider was down? The downed rider could have been injured. RV should have been penalized. JS7 is the fastest rider
@preston, 3rd in wins is impressive, but lets check the most important stat of all. Where does Stewart rank in titles?? You know , that award you get for being the best that season!! He is no better than Reed..
@therealmofo,, JS is no better than Reed? How many times has Reed beaten JS for a title? Thats right, 0 times. The ONLY time Reed wins his titles are when JS and RC were hurt, and I'm not even talking about 2002 in the 125 class, hahahaha..
@spotted marley ..... One can be self confident (which I am) without being an ego maniac. I have seen some pretty crappy racers in my time with big egos that are arrogant...I have beaten them many times...road racing, mountain bike & motocross. I have done that without blowing myself. If ego & arrogance is one of the things you "NEED" to excel then how do your explain Trey Canard, Ryan Dungey and so on....I know I will never be a pro motocross racer, and I'm fine with that, but yes I have excelled in my life, but thanks for your input...now enjoy you time in the middle of your Tyrell Owens & James Stewart sandwich!...I hope they order extra mayo for you.
people still forget this is his 1st year on the JGR bike, bugs are still being worked out and the season he took off didn't help much either! These are just growing pains guaranteed! Chad too had his growing pains, as did VPoto
WOW
there are a ton of haters on here...and a bunch of guys who sound pretty 'butt-hurt' about anything someone writes about Stewart...
Some of you act like Stewart wrote the article himself...
And can any of you quote me an interview where Stewart said 'the bike' was keeping him from winning? Saying your testing and working on improvements is standard procedure, not making excuses...
@therealmofo...
uh have you checked the record books...I believe Stewart has a few titles on a 125cc that Reed doesn't...
just sayin
@halfe316,, I couldn't agree more.... Well said...
@MXjesus don't be so naive. (although with a name like yours, I may be asking for a miracle) Canard and Dungey both have healthy egos. You are confusing ego with attitude. Stewart has more of a dick attitude and probably conducts himself a bit more organicly (calm down church boy I didn't say orgasmically). Canard and Dungey are jesus freaks like yourself and so they are conditioned into repressing their true emotions in order to serve as marketing agents for an imaginary god. But trust me when I say that all three of you, regardless of your brainwashed stupidity, sneak off to dark corners and spank your monkeys while fantasizing about family members. Just like Stewart does. Judge not lest ye be judged says your book.
JS will never return to form unless he races both SX and MX, NO MATTER WHAT BIKE HE RIDES. The racers that race Outdoors RACE 5 more months than JS. Of course they're going to have their bikes dialed in.
He can ride for those 5 months, but that's like doing the stranger on yourself. Look at Reed, what revived his career, racing Outdoors.
JS, if not to win, you need to ride outdoors just to dial-in that bike. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
@Spottedmarley....you are really amazing, let me guess college degree, maybe even a Masters or PHD, but you sit on the computer all day on message boards posting because you are so annoying that nobody wants to give you a job....Only if RacerX would pay you to post, life would be great....now click to other tab and keep looking on Craigslist for a job. I'm sure you'll be right back...I'm sure of that!
@rickamatuzio, you still racing D23? Have not seen you for a while.
@MXJesus ... Don't be jealous, it's ugly. I don't have to work. I pay people to work for me. You need a job? I can give you a job planting twolips ... right here.
Booom. haha
and for the record, lets not forget who got personal with whom first.
@Spotted Marley, just read the comments on this post. Very funny stuff and thank you for the laugh. I always appreciate some intelligent humor, versus the vulgar and simple-minded "you ....are stupid, an idiot, suck, etc." Though freedom of choice reigns supreme, anyone with the online name of "MXJesus" is kind of setting himself up as a slow pitch right down the middle of the plate.
@JonR290 I really dont want to be aggressive toward anyone, especially people who also love the sport of motocross, but some people are just so ignorant and they just attack people on a personal level and need to be responded to in kind. I already feel as stupid as that kid just for responding the way I did. So, Im sorry all
@mxmofo--You ALWAYS throw out the Reed never beat RC or Stewart for a title crap.. But you hate it when someones says STEWART NEVER WON A TITLE UNTIUL RC WAS GONE!! So how is it any different.. Guys want to say Stewart is one of the top 3 guys in supercross ever, which is bull. Everybody looks at titles. And its the big bikes too. Stewart has 3, and Reed has 3.. plain and simple. And the best comparisn is using a common opponent.. Stewart gave RC fits is supercross a few times, but Reed did something NOBODY ever did. He beat RC six races in a row in supercross.. Nobody else has. I am not saying Reed is better or worse, but he did beat Stewart last year in supercross, he just didnt beat RV , and he was completely spanking Stewart this year correct?? He may not have won the title, but he was whipping Stewart badly this year, and whipped him last season also.. But you dont want to talk about that.. Not bad-mouthing your boy here, just saying he has the same number of titles as Reed on the big bikes..And there are ALOT of guys who have more..
Milsaps hasn't had any trouple ripping some holeshots on that same bike and he weighs more than anybody
Spell it anyway you want , Third most sucessful rider in the history of the sport , Cant change the facts ,
@mxmofo...dont be a bone head and throw that comment out on Reed, you are not only discrediting him you are discrediting every guy that has won a title other than RC and Bubba. "therealmofo" said it perfectly. And if you truly beleive what you say is true then you can go ahead and take that perfect season away from JS, because the only real opponent was a 32 year old Tim Ferry.
somewhere in canada, a fat man is eating poutine and crying (matthes)
@ br11 and @ therealmofo.........Agreed on all levels. And just because I feel like I'm following you a little bit right now @ Preston I'll continue the trend and spin it my way as 3rd most successful overall, 4th place guy since the beginning of 2010 lol, can't change the facts.
Once again, the absolute MOST talked about rider EVER......now i'm aware this is both for good and bad reasons, and both love and hate are involved, but nobody gets talked about more by both camps, in this sport!! Now, i'm not one to say it is "the bike" that is giving him fits, but i don't discount it either!! I will say one thing, from a totally visual perspective......ya know how sometimes you look at pics of a guy riding and it just looks perfect, they just look "right" on the bike?? I see a lot of pics of RV like that these days, but more often than not when i see a pic of James on that Yamaha, it just doesn't look "right". Look at old pics of him on the Kawi. Once again, i'm speaking from a visual perspective of still photos, which i know may not relate to anything in the real world, but i do notice it more these days!!! Am i nuts?? lol
@Marley, I must admit you are funny, I had to laugh for sure. While not calling out a specific name "MXJesus" you did indirectly call me an idiot and that I do not excel, both of those are incorrect, but I still have a sense of humor and can admit when I got beat....unlike Stewart who find some kind of excuse....
.PS I have you think about my family when waxing the weasel, because your are all of my children.
@therealmofo,, and you alway throw RC into the mix.. He has nothing to do with it.. Reed did beat JS last year, but NOT for a title.. I LOVE how the "BIG" bike class is the only class that counts...
@br411,, ahhh,, I'm not the one who brought Reed into this. Go back and do a little reeeeding..
@therealmoforetardocross... Just admit ,you dont know your stats ... I told you to brush up , or your gonna lookie like fool on here , Damn you are using a computer , do some research ... And there is not alot of perfect seasons out ther either ...Look that up . somehow you keep ignoring the facts jack!
Not saying you are, you are the one that brought up the title thing and discreaditing riders. The gate is going to drop weather your there or not, also he only beat Reed in 09 by 2 points. You cant take things away from other riders and then go say how great he is. If that was the rule RC and RV are the only ones that get credit for there titles. Come on dude.
br411@ Let me refresh your memeory--- This is what "therealmofo" wrote
"Not bad-mouthing your boy here, just saying he has the same number of titles as Reed on the big bikes..And there are ALOT of guys who have more.."
Also, it looks to me like JS will beat Reed in SX and MX this year...
@br411,, I think you forgot about the 2007 SX season also,, right ????
You guys should take some advice from @Preston...
Did you forget to copy and paste his entire post!!! His comments are spot on, your comments are way off. And you just took it to another level, once again you are contradicting your self. Yes JS will beat Reed this year in points but that wont matter because since 2011 he only beats Reed if he is out hurt. Right??? And it took two full races with Reed out for JS to even pass him in points this year. Save your self credit and drop it, your making yourself look even worse buddy. JS will be 3rd in points this year instead of 4th and you cant take that away from him Reed is the one that threw it away and isnt on the line.
@br411,, Tell how my comments are way off ?? Also, you didnt answer my question about the 2007 SX season ???
@MXjesus brush your teeth, get in your jammies and say your prayers, i'll be up to tuck you in shortly little fella. santas comin
Really dude 2007??? Again your making yourself look like a dork! Your discredit Reed for winning titles with RC out, and then go ahead and say "did I forget about 2007?" News flash buddy RC didnt race in 2007....take it off the history books, because obviously Reed is a slouch....
@ Preston......What stats am I missing here? I acknowledged he is 3rd most successful ever (knowing he has had a perfect season as part of that) and also the stat that he was the 4th best guy for the second time before Reed went out this season. I mistakenly put 2010 instead of 2011, my bad. He was out for 2010 and ran away with his tail between his legs after getting embarassed at Unadilla, and I'm still right in saying he hasn't won any titles since 2009. I guess he is 3rd best now that Reed's been away for a couple rounds and he's finally passed him in points. What is the current stat for the saltiness of his balls?
@br411,, Are you serious ?? I'm talking about Reed also not beating JS in 2007 SX.. Oh man !!!! RC has nothing to do with this.. Its about JS and Reed.. And I'm the dork.. hahahahah
Geez really! You did say Reed only wins titles with RC and JS out! Come on dude, dont back peddle now!!! Facts are facts champ.
Yes, and the FACT is Reed never beat JS or RC for a title.. FACTS are FACTS.. Tell me this, did Reed beat JS in 2007 SX, since you wont seem to answer that ??
hahahaha,, and I'm "back peddling."
@Preston has to come in here and start acting like a child and name call, that is the STEWTARD for you all. And what stats, Reed and Stewart both have one National title and 2 Supercross titles, what other stat is there??
@mxmofo--YOU are the one who mentioned RC first, and you said I always bring him in?? YOU started that one..
And I wouldnt brag about Stewart beating Reed this year, Reed beat himself, he was waxing Stewart badly..
But dont know what the attack on me is for, I never said anything bad about Stewart, show me were I did, all I said was, wins are fine, but what everyone wants is the titles, and Stewart dont have any more big bike titles than Reed, which is fact.. Dont know whny I got jumped on for that. And the reason I compare big bike titles, is Reed ran in the GP's during his 125/250 years, and only ran a short period on them here until he got his Yamaha ride.
@therealmofo,,, Reed ran one full season on a 250F,, and JS smoked him.. But we won't count that will we, since it doesn't work in your favor. You guys bag on JS's perfect season saying he only had TF as his competition.. So I can bag on Reed saying when he won his titles, RC and JS were not in it.. See how that works ??? Yes, I did mention RC first, because I was stating a FACT, Reed has never beat JS or RC for a tiltle, like JS never beat RC for a title..
I know you didnt say anything bad about JS, but you did try to compare JS and Reed,,,, again, without being a little more clear..
@MXJesus, nice to see that response. Glad you have a sense of humor and can laugh. Some of you guys are really funny, some exceptionally so.
Lets keep in mind we ALL have a passion for this sport. If we begin divisive behavior, we lose traction in the real world. Remember, in the real world there are organizations, politicians, groups, and individuals looking to strip our rights to ride.
@retardocross .. Never called anyone any names ... Still dont know your facts ....GEEEZZZZZ
I still think that Stewie needs to buy Reedy's Hondas ....
BD200, yes, riders do fall fall from the top spot eventually like McGrath did, the question is how do they handle it? Ricky didn't want to face it so he quit on top. McGrath didn't see it coming quite the way it happened but as it turns out he handled never winning again pretty well, at leat externally. But,, I thought the same thing as someone else said on here that Stewarts "bad starts" are an easy way to not face RV and the possible result that RV is really faster than him. I doubted it at first but when has Stewart ever gotten bad starts this many times in a row? Even last year, on a Yamaha, he was pulling wholeshots quite a bit in the main. He does it now in the heat but the main...? what? I can't say that I don't sympathize with him if that's the case. It would be so hard to accept the fact that you're no longer "the man" when it comes to speed. That's what he is known for. Look how most people in the entertainment industry handle falling from the top of whatever they do, they end up on that drug rehab show. Now, having said all that, he probably will dominate Daytona!
@ Preston.........Speaking of facts, I said nothing about name calling that was someone else. You know what I like best about you, you'll stop at nothing to try and prove that JS is the best guy out there. After 2010, 2011, and the early part of 2012 of him being handed his ass that takes some serious loyalty and I respect that. Here's a fact, James is almost home to see you, assume the position.
Interesting fact:
JS 5 wins
CR 2 wins
That was in regards to 2011 season
Did anyone think that this was "the moment" because there was really no "other moment" in either class to write about? Other than RV Slowing down so Dungey can make up time on his back tire. Its just stating that if it wasn't for his horrible start, he could have been a factor in the race.
Now go back to the stats, the lap times and the medical conditions you were previously arguing about.
And his loss was not bike related in any way. it was from a bad start, and a crash. he still has the speed to run with the top dogs, just not the consistency. as wee all know by now.
@retardocross ... Dont assume ,that Js7 is my boy , actually ,I do get to spend sometime around these guys ,and I will be seeing some of them soon , as I work for the AMA at times , and Flag the Nattionals ,I go to the riders meetings ,and have met many of the riders over the years From Mc to RC and lots in between , Nicest guy so far has been all of them ! so I will assume the position you are talking about as a Represenative of this fine sport .... Let me tell you guys , It is a different atmosphere ,behind the scenes ...These guys are all friends , doing a job !
This is how I look at this. Preston says he is ther third most successful rider in the history of our sport, which is WRONG.. He has the third most SUPERCROSS WINS.. NOT TITLES.. Just my opinion, but wins is not the same as a TITLE. The Stewart fans dont like to talk about that because it would move Stewart WAY down the list.. if wins means as much as titles go ask the New E?ngland Patriots, they had the most wins going into the playoffs one year, was undefeated, then lost and someone else won the Super Bowl.. Does all those wins mean anything?? NOPE.. Its titles that all these guys are measured by.. And in Supercross and the Nationals, Stewart is tied with Reed for titles.. Sorry guys, you dont want to hear it but it is the truth..
@Preston, yes you did name call, you child. or did you not remember calling me "The realmoretard--"" Did you forget that?? And you say Stewart is NOT your boy and you name call because I say Reed has been as successful as Stewart based on titles
@therealmofo, I think you need to re-count the titles. Do your homework.. Also, who has more titles when JS and Reed are head to head ?? Thats what you don't want to talk about....
@therealmofu...you seem to not get it , you keep saying the same thing , and no one on here agrees with you , 3rd most sucessful RIDER of all times , You cant change the list , you keep trying but you FAIL ...Pick a new topic ! you have worn this one out ! Picklehead , Yes I called you a name , But thats because I think you are funny , and have a sense of Humor Right ! Peace BRO. PS you can call me a name , and i wont get mad
@mxmofo--Recount what titles. Reed has 2 supercross titles. Stewart has 2, Reed has a National title, and Stewart has one. Sounds like they have the same number of titles to me.. And I'm not a big Reed fan, I dont really care if he beat Stewart for his titles or not. But they have the same number of titles. 50 years from now when people are looking to see who the most successful riders are. Titles is what they will be looking at..
@Preston, it looks to me the ONLY people who Dont agree with me is you and mxmofo.. So you are right about that NO-ONE ... And what LIST am I trying to change. Supercross titles?? Reed and Stewart both have 2...
Every one of these comments, good, bad or otherwise demonstrates why James is good for the sport and why he gets the big bucks. Personality, talent, and speed. This is entertainment, and in show business - there's no such thing as bad publicity. As long as people are talking about you, you're golden. That's why it's funny to read these comments. Meanwhile, crash or not - he's consistently the fastest or 2nd fastest guy on the track (RV being the other). Saying he's "done" is just silly. He could easily have some good luck and rip off 4 or 5 wins in a row. Who else besides RV can say that? The primary person beating James right now, is James.
@therealmofo: You're reaching. Fact is, you sure spend an awful lot of time looking up stats on James. Hard to know whether it's Man Love, Jealousy or just a run-of-the-mill obsession. lol It's a mighty fine line between love and hate.