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Racer Xplained: National Numbers

Friday, October 7, 2011 | 11:00 AM
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Between the comments on our website, the tweets and the ten plus pages on VitalMX about the numbers, it seems there’s still some serious confusion out there about the numbering system used in professional supercross/motocross. Fear not people, we’re here to explain it! This system was instilled in 2000 (with a few tweaks here and there) and it still seems to absolutely baffle some people.

So call us saints or a gift from the heavens, whatever you want. Here is a guide to how the numbers are distributed. Print this out and post it on your fridge so that next year, you have it all down, ok people?

Okay Matthes, you think you’re so smart--how does this numbering system work?

There are two types of numbers--career ones and earned ones. If you score inside the top ten in combined points (a total of points scored in the 450 SX class, and 450 and 250 MX) at the end of the year, you earn a career number.

PLEASE NOTE: 250SX DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS YEAR END POINTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE REGIONAL AND NOT NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, AND THESE ARE NATIONAL NUMBERS. UNDERSTAND? IF I COULD PUT THIS IN SOMETHING MORE THAN CAPS LOCK, I WOULD.

PLEASE NOTE: 250SX DOES NOT COUNT TOWARDS YEAR END POINTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE REGIONAL AND NOT NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, AND THESE ARE NATIONAL NUMBERS. UNDERSTAND? IF I COULD PUT THIS IN SOMETHING MORE THAN CAPS LOCK, I WOULD.

Score inside the top 10 once, and you can choose any number between 10 and 99 and that’s it, you can run that for as long as you are an active racer. Anyone outside of the top ten has to run the numbers that correspond with their rankings at seasons end. Of course Sherlock, you can’t run a number that is already chosen by a top ten finisher so you just skip to the next one.

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RV2 will become RV1 next year.
Photo: Simon Cudby

Riders with career numbers are Ryan Villopoto, Mike Brown, Ryan Dungey, James Stewart, Ivan Tedesco, Justin Brayton, Kyle Chisholm, Blake Baggett, Kevin Windham, Dean Wilson, John Dowd, Davi Millsaps, Chad Reed, Brett Metcalfe, Michael Byrne, Nick Wey, Tyla Rattray, Andrew Short, Josh Grant, Trey Canard and Josh Hill. If your name is on this list, congrats, you’re a bad ass.

But Steve, what about the single digit numbers and how do I get one of those?

If you win a 250 or 450 title in the outdoors or the 450 supercross title, you can run a single-digit number. Of course you can’t pick the number 1 because that’s for the actual title winner and please tell me you knew that already. Trey Canard won last season’s 250 MX title but he turned down the offer for a single digit number in order to run #41 in honor of his late father, who rode with that number.  This season’s 250MX champion Dean Wilson also chose to stick with the #15 (which he earned as a permanent number last year) because we all know that it was an awesome number and one of the reasons why he won the title. Did I mention that I’m a big Tim Ferry fan?

Currently the only single digit numbers that are available for use are #4 (it was retired for five years after Ricky Carmichael retired but it’s now up for grabs. Good luck to the next guy that picks that by the way), #6 and #8. You could potentially run into the situation where there are more riders who have earned and want single digits than are available, and this has happened before. When Ryan Villopoto claimed the ’06 250 MX crown, he earned the right for a single digit. He decided to stick with a regular number for a year, waiting until Jeremy McGrath retired so he could then select #2. And then RV2 was born!

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Wilson decided to hold onto the number 15 after taking his first career title this season.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson

My favorite racer ever is Martin Davalos and he’s always run #577 but he was #23 this year, what’s up with that smarty-pants?

Clearly this question was submitted by Racer X Photo Editor (and Davalos fan club president) Andrew Fredrickson. Well, Fred, new to last year is the rule that you have to run the number that you earned so good-bye to the #577 Martin, see-ya to the #116 Ryan Morais and everyone else. You’re stuck with the number that you earned. And next year, with Josh Hansen racing the 450SX class, his points earned now count towards a number (remember the 250SX rule in all caps above? Hanny hasn’t earned national points in awhile).  He will have to run his earned number so his truck will now need a new paint job in 2013. Oh and by the way, if you earn a career number, you cannot pick a three-digit career number.

My apologies to Justin Bogle and Ken Roczen (two riders that went on Twitter to express their anger at not being able to run their favorite numbers) but that’s the way the cookie crumbles. Life’s not fair and whenever you guys start thinking about how it sucks you can’t run “your” number, check your bank balance and the fact that people want your autograph and realize that its all going to be ok.

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No matter the number on his plate, Davalos is always number 1 in Racer X Photo Editor Andrew Fredrickson's heart.
Photo: 577 Fan Club President / Andrew Fredrickson

Ah Ha! Got you! What about Mike Alessi and how is he still allowed to run 800?

Mike Alessi is grandfathered in because he was allowed to pick 800 years ago as a career number before the rules changed. Some would say that Mike got really lucky in this but I would say that Mike’s good luck in this instance was countered greatly when he slid into that wood post at High Point years ago when he was practicing there. This is also the reason Travis Pastrana was allowed to stick with 199 for years, and Christophe Pourcel keeps 377. They selected three-digit career numbers prior to 2010, when the rule changed. No more career three-digit numbers from here on out.

The good news with this numbering system is that Jason Lawrence, due to not scoring any points in 2011, can now go back to his beloved #338. Some would say this is why he didn’t race all year but that can’t be confirmed.

Steve, what was with all this 25-points and John Dowd talk this year?

Well for years, a career number was just that, a career number. If you were still able to get on a bike and race a little bit, you kept your number. All you had to do was earn one national point (a top-20 in a moto) per year. But the powers that be, in a smart move, said before last year that if you couldn’t earn at least 25 points all season long, you would lose your career number. This prevented the numbers from being held when no one was actually using them all season because let’s face it, we don’t exactly get a lot of press releases saying that Broc Sellards had retired and the #18 was free.

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How much longer can Dowd hold on to the number 16? Forever?
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson

Two racers that are part-time in supercross and motocross are Dowd and Mike Brown (although Brown may beat you up if you said that to him) and both guys came to the races this year and earned the 25 points and therefore, they get to keep the #3 (Brown- the 2001 125MX champion) and #16 (Dowd who will probably have this number even when he’s being lowered into the ground).

Ok you seem to have all the answers tubby. But why didn’t Fredrik Noren and Fabian Izoird earn national numbers this year when they clearly scored a buttload of points?

This is a little confusing to me as well but with a couple of phone calls and emails I found out that both of these riders didn’t compete with AMA licenses and therefore were not eligible to collect points towards an AMA number. Noren’s from Sweden and Izoird is from France and maybe they just didn’t like America or something (kidding) and refused to get the paperwork going on this. Calle Aspergen, Noren’s Swedish teammate apparently does love America and he did race with an AMA license so he’s got a number. This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me but then again it also confused me when Billy Liles raced for Luxemburg at the Motocross des Nations years ago. And I can’t understand how Jimmy Albertson is Puerto Rican.

What about number 13?

That number is considered an unlucky number here in North America and people seem to not want anything to do with it. Hence why you don’t have a 13th floor in a hotel or a row 13 on an airplane. So with that in mind, the AMA gives the rider who earned the 13 the choice as to whether he wants to run it. Eli Tomac chose not to run it and goes from #13 to #17 (which is the first available number that isn’t selected as a permanent number).

There are two schools of thought here. The #13 didn’t matter to Heath Voss, as he ran the #13 as a permanent number with no problems. And I seem to remember Sebastian Tortelli riding very, very fast with it as well. Then again Tortelli, besides being a handsome man, was also French and they don’t care about our stupid North American jinxes.

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Tomac decided against going with the unluckiest number in America, and instead chose number 17.
Photo: Simon Cudby

It didn’t work out so good for Brian Swink (who asked the AMA halfway through supercross if he could switch to #130 because he was having such a bad season) and Rick Johnson, so who knows? Back in RJ’s day, they didn’t have career numbers. Did you know RJ broke his wrist in 1989 and earned 13, ran it in 1990, had a bad year, and earned 13 again, straight up in 1991? Now that is bad luck!

Josh Hill didn’t race all year and he keeps the #75! What gives?

Well the AMA isn’t a bunch of cruel heartless witches and if you have an injury that knocks you out for the year (like Hill and Grant Langston before him) then you can appeal to them to keep your number for another year. And I don’t think that’s a big problem with anyone, is it? If it is, please excuse yourself and check out of being a fan.

And I would imagine that because Christophe Pourcel was without a ride to start the year then came back for the outdoors with the Motoconcepts Yamaha team only to see that end up in flames three races in, that the AMA let him keep his career number 377 for another season. Ironically, or oddly, CP earned 24 points this year, exactly one point below the treshold. If he doesn’t earn 25 next year, his 377 could go away. But then again, he would just be thrown back into the three digit ranks, so he’d probably just get 377 again!

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Josh Hill gets to hold on to number 75 due to injury.
Photo: Simon Cudby

Ok thanks Matthes, you’re the man and an awesome journalist. Thanks for helping me understand this a little better.

You’re welcome, it’s what I do. Inform and educate! By the way, in my mechanic career I worked for two riders who did well enough to finish inside the top ten overall and get to choose a permanent number. Tim Ferry in ’99 (he went with #15 despite me pleading with him to go #17 in honor of the greatest hockey player ever Wendel Clark) and Nick Wey in ’02 (who was #26 when we did it but chose #27 for career number).

Just a side note on all of this.

 

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bd200 wrote: 11:33am October 7, 2011

I guess I see both sides of the arguement. I can see guys wanting to stick with tradition of the earned numbers, and there are also arguement were numbers are just a way to identify a rider. Which of course is more traditional with car racing than bikes. But why worry about tradition now, all the other traditions are thrown out the window. We race on Saturday, not Sunday. The 450 class runs first instead of last, just throw all tradition out and let everyone pick a number and run with it forever.

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JMJ271 wrote: 11:39am October 7, 2011

Ryan Morais was 116, not 160.

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LK317 wrote: 11:42am October 7, 2011

I understand it all I just think its stupid. It's gonna take a few races to remember its eli tomac on the #17 and not barcia...

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MNmoto wrote: 11:50am October 7, 2011

the only point I have and its pretty valid is even as a huge moto fan checking sites multiple times a day I would still get confused every year trying to figure out which riders are which. you could tell a few right off the bat but not everyone gets a chance to go to every round to learn the new numbers. i think its dumb and you should be able to run whatever number you want sans a few reserved.

do you really think anyone looks at the guy in 4th and thinks hmmmm that guy must have been 800th last year. how is he going so fast? no, and if they do stop talking to them.

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CZmark wrote: 11:53am October 7, 2011

Wow Matthes a saint or a gift from heaven? You are sure full of yourself today, but good info on the numbers.

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BillC wrote: 12:09pm October 7, 2011

I am shocked that guys like Tommy H did not take #12 as a Career # two years back, or Jake Wiemer last year. Hmmmm Maybe some guys just don't care.

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wferris1 wrote: 12:12pm October 7, 2011

I think it sucks that you can't run a 3 digit number if you deserve to pick one...

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mit12 wrote: 12:35pm October 7, 2011

I like the original number system. If you earned #1 you used #1 and if you finished #4 you ran #4 and so on. This perminate number stuff is for the birds. You should have to run what you earned.

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Welker wrote: 12:52pm October 7, 2011

Good Grief, (quote from Charli Brown) This whole thing is not that complicated? Deos this show how the education is going? Are people to lazy to think? At least our fvorite Rocket scientist was able to explain it in terms that people might be able to understand? Do we need to got back and work on "see Spot run?" and start from there for the general public, who by the way is not even where any countries are at? Just so you know mexico is south of the USA and CAnada is north or USA, then to confuse you we bought Alaska and after making it a territory it became a state in 1957(i think) now there is also Hawai that is in the pacific ocean, that is the one west of California. then we the USA have a few territories such as we call them.
OOOPS I got off on another tangent there, Lets just all send a letter to the AMA and tell them you need more education to understand somthing.......
I will shut up for now!

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MX Bob wrote: 1:29pm October 7, 2011

That explains why 250 riders have a tough time earning a career number. They only have points from one series to count.

He must have thrown in that "the greatest hockey player ever, Wendel Clark" line to see if anybody on here knows anything about hockey. That or it's another man-crush. Everyone knows it would be Neil Broten, the only player (last time I checked) to win championships in High School, College, the Olympics, and the NHL.

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443mx wrote: 1:42pm October 7, 2011

haha knowing 17 isn't Barcia is easy just listen to the limiter Career #'s are great 19 will always be the nicest guy in racing Doug Henry. Tomac was a great representative for that number this year

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MXR wrote: 2:10pm October 7, 2011

don't think the riders fears the 13 they just don't want to think about that and be distracted, but at the same time it's an entertaining number for the rider who select that number permanently

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Laker23 wrote: 2:22pm October 7, 2011

There is a simple solution for this mess. Career numbers are earned only if you win a National title (everything but east/west sx). Everybody else gets their # based on points. A rider who doesn't win a title, gets his # based on that years performance. If you get top ten in overall points, great for you, but it shouldn't mean that you get a # forever. Sorry, Brayton, Baggett, Chiz, Shorty, Wey, Grant, Hill, Alessi etc. Next season, after one race, we will all know who you are and what your new # is!

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MXR wrote: 3:47pm October 7, 2011

what about auctions for life number? gonna solve all the problems :), sure bubba will earn the #1

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Johnmotoman wrote: 4:03pm October 7, 2011

I wonder if some racers would actually go back to their 3 digit numbers if they were given the choice? Would love to see Davalos with 577 or Morais with 116 again or Pingree with 101 again!!!
Oh well, I guess being sentimental about a number is not a part of the rules anymore!!!

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21MotoRules wrote: 4:09pm October 7, 2011

I seem to remember Sebastian Tortelli having some bad luck with that nasty old #13

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UPSMAN16 wrote: 5:47pm October 7, 2011

Charli? Deos? fvorite? CAnada? Hawai? do we need to got back? Wow, I guess this is how the education is going at least in spelling or grammar, dude lay off, or if you are gonna bash use spellcheck, it is a somewhat complicated system to understand if you are less than hardcore. Maybe the new fans to the sport had no idea how it worked, Matthes did a fine job!

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timi wrote: 8:15pm October 7, 2011

good job steve - it takes talent to explain this convoluted bullshit - permanent numbers are the dumbest thing since x-games - that's right - i said it and i meant it

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Red44 wrote: 8:40pm October 7, 2011

If you take the points from BOTH series, supercross and Nationals, and add them together, and the top ten in points get to pick a permanent number, then how does James Stewart get to keep Number 7 every year when he doesnt race the Nationals, because he isnt earning enough points just racing supercross??

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Red44 wrote: 8:41pm October 7, 2011

@Welker, if you are going to bash people and act like they are dumb, you might want to learn to spell dude..--Check UPSMan116 post.

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calsonmx33 wrote: 8:36am October 8, 2011

Hey Matthes
Nice explanation on the numbering system and jimmy albertson is indeed puertorican jejejeje. He is doing a motocross race in Puerto Rico in November alongside Osborne. Hope you can make it!

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sec114 wrote: 10:48am October 8, 2011

honestly good information there and appreciated. for me especially the part about davalos 577, alessi 800, and j law 338 numbers n such, that i was unclear about.

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comedian66 wrote: 1:05pm October 8, 2011

Red44....because when James Stewart chose the number7 he WAS racing the nationals....and after earning a permanent number a rider only has to earn 25 points to keep it.

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PartyBoy wrote: 1:44pm October 8, 2011

All you spodes saying that career numbers are stupid are missing the whole point. Career numbers are much more marketable for the sponsors/industry since they become more recognizable and related to whom the rider is that runs it. If they change every year then the numbers do pretty much nothing to help promote the riders they sponsor as they are scarcely recognized. I would say that the majority of you are being absolute pussies about it complaining so much, but I guess there's always gotta be something to complain about. Heaven forbid you all just stop caring so much about something that really doesn't effect any of us.

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Motohead279 wrote: 2:56pm October 8, 2011

Well said PartyBoy. Listen guys, if we want the big outside sponsors, paying $$ to not only represent the teams but also the riders, they need marketability plain and simple. Sometimes changes need to happen to make the sport grow. It is what it is. We need outside of the industry $$ to make that happen. My personal opinion is I do agree with permanent numbers for past champions, but not for top 10.

BTW, good write up Mathes.

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Mountain_Goat wrote: 7:56pm October 8, 2011

Permanent #s are great for live races. We don't have announcers and a TV camera with a 1,000mm lens zooming in there. Much easier to pick the front-runners out late in the motos.

And a yes, the marketability.

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timi wrote: 8:34pm October 8, 2011

the comment part of this site is for giving your opinion - what would be the point if we all agreed on everything - there would be no need for a comment section - if i comment that i think something is stupid (permanent numbers) - i am not saying that someone is stupid - i am saying that in my opinion someting is stupid - i refuse to stoop to the personal attacks - such as calling other fellow moto fans rude names - if the shoe fits suck it

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brocky2727 wrote: 8:54am October 11, 2011

Thanks Steve.

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racor357900 wrote: 11:25pm October 12, 2011

Great info, thanks. I am confused and we'll use as an example Gannon Audette, who I follow because of interest in Cairo, GA area. He moved up from #533 to #40. He finished 15 in 250MX season which is a great result but above it says they only move up to top 100 numbers for top 10 finishes in 250MX. So if there are still top 100 numbers available they must just keep going down the list in 450SX and 250/450MX, below top 10 finishes, until the top 100 numbers are filled.

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