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It doesn’t seem to matter where the Monster Energy Pro Circuit guys start (although they are usually up front) they are going to be 1-2-3 by the end of the moto. Team riders Dean Wilson, Tyla Rattray and Blake Baggett are forces of nature and on a team that has dominated so much before, the 2011 motocross series might be the best yet.
Baggett’s got the wins (five in eight races) but right now he’s third in the points because of a few poor results. Tyla Rattray has the other three wins and sits second in the points and Dean Wilson doesn’t have any wins but he’s the points leader by virtue of his consistent rides. He’s only been off the podium twice in sixteen motos and his first moto at Washougal this weekend broke an eight moto streak for the number 15.
Baggett took the overall at Washougal over teammates Dean Wilson and Tyla Rattray.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
I’m not sure who’s going to win the title (Wilson’s got 13 on Rattray and 17 on Baggett) but the team as a whole is going to be the winner, no matter what. Sweeping the podium in a long and grueling season like they’re going to do is remarkable. It’s a testament to the power of cohesion, working hard, spotting talent (in riders and as crew members), committing resources and getting it done.
The gang at Pro Circuit has been getting it done for a long time now and it doesn’t appear that anyone is capable of stopping them. Get ready for a tidal wave of green!
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What is the deal with GEICO Honda? They looked lucky to even hang onto a top 10 moto finish this weekend...
What happened to Musquin??
Is Eli hurt?
DNA yammies are fast....Cunningham and Sipes might get up there before the season ends....
450 class is tight and the 250 class is getting tighter....Could Wilson go on to win the title with no O/A wins???? Has that ever happened outdoors?
During the SX series, I was thinking Team Honda should go after Sipes for the move up to the 450s.... I beleive he re-signed with DNA already, but lately Sipes has been blowin it and have changed my opinion....He skipped the second moto to get "blood work" done according to his chat with Bates and faded bigtime in moto 1...
By the way, the Fan of the Week?.since you cant comment on there, but I am sure all have looked...... Isn't she the model I saw at Stewarts place a few weeks back.???....Lets try and keep, real at the track " FANS" for this Fan of the Week thing....Give me a camera and send me to the races...I'll find pleanty!!! ....Nice hot summer day, wet RV2 t-shirt contest is what I am thinking.....!!
@ Trend Killer,,, No, you seen her at my place...
Yeah, I don't think a pro model should be counted as a fan, she may be a fan but she may not have a clue about moto. She was a little bit of a butter faced girl. Awesome body,,,,, but her face..... Hair looked a little oily too. oh who am I kidding,,,, I love her.
Those Rockstar girls are sporting some ultra-nice lean abs. I have to respect them for that. Nice work, girls!
@Trend Killer: Dude, you should reword that RV2 wet T-shirt contest comment...
The midwestern Rockstar girls had some meat on their bones!!!!
Yeah, I like RV ok, but i don't think he could win a wet T shirt contest.
I think Deano will have to get an overall or 2 in order to win this thing...and that is well within his capabilities.
GO DEANO!
@TrendKiller, I agree with the Sipes comments, he was up front towards the start of the season, now he is nowhere to be found. If he needs bloodwork her might be looking at Anemia, its what Millsaps was diagnosed with earlier in the season.
LawnDart wrote: What happened to Musquin?
Poor MMM is still suffering from his broken leg. It´s either his leg or thumb, I can´t remember. Nah, gotta be his leg. No one would be that slow with just a broken thumb.
Anyhow, just wait till he´s fit again and I can see regular podiums for him, Ratters and Wilson. Then you can expect a rule excluding non Americans from the AMA. and they will have to come back to Europe where the real fast boys are and they´ll get well and truly smoked before retiring. Just like CP who was probably the fastest man ever in the history of AMA. on a good day.
ok ok... my bad.... Lets get a bunch of chicks wearing white RV2 t-shirts and get them all wet...then take photos....then.....
i am pretty sure kenny would suplly the h&h t-shirts - do it
sorry - supply
i failed spelling - so did most of you - get off my ass
Mike, Really????
CP (Christophe Pourcel) probably fastest ever in AMA history????
Not only have Dungey and Canard denied him his MX titles that he was all but garunteed, his regional SX titles were won on consistency, NOT pure speed. Not to mention some guy named Barcia checked his "fastest man ever in the history of the AMA........on a good day" with regularity.
It seems your statements are becoming more ridiculous with time.
We have vets faster than him right now.
I wonder, does "FMEITHOTAOAGD" trump the "FMOTP" or is it just another imaginary title for someone who cannot win a REAL AMA title.
did you guys see the weekend transworld video with barcia - it looks like dean wilson beat the shit out of him - sorry kid
Rattray should have moved up to the 450's long time ago. He's like Hansen, I bet both of them will be back on 250's next year and the saddest part of all this is that PC will sponsor them again instead of giving young kids the opportunity.
@Carlsbad, that was good. Mike is dying that his boy Musquin didnt get it done, and Musquin commented to tell Mike to shut his hole, its great, he is getting sorry and desperate.
@Pao, your correct, Rattray should have been long gone to the 450's long ago, but it is what it is.. Its the only way he has any shot at a title, and he probably wont get it anyway.
@rick melon - Bayle won the 1991 250 title with no overalls
moron mike is totally frustrated, he got beat by his boyfriend, probably ....
Hey, Mike. Being off for awhile excuses Musquin to an extent ... but this is a guy who won most of the motos in GPs (over Roczen). He wasn't even in the same ZIP CODE as the leaders Saturday. He'll improve, but if you take off your GP-colored sunglasses, you'll see that the AMA has the best riders in the world.
I notice you like to bring up Wilson all the time. Where do you suppose Deano cut his teeth in the racing world? The U.S.A. Where has Reed honed his skills for the better part of a decade? The U.S.A. Where has Rattray been allowed to further his experience in the 250 class after he would have "aged out" of MX2 in Europe? The U.S.A. Who’s won most of the MXdNs over the past 30 years? The U.S.A. Get it?
I respect the GP riders and enjoy those races. But you’re so biased by ignorance that your stuff is hard to read (or stomach).
sef154 has some good points there.........
I do hope Musquin can put the KTM on the box and break up the rather boring PC parade that the 250F series has become. Sadly, Tomac & Barcia just didn't have it this season.
I feel rather foolish for getting baited by another anti-AMA Mike post, I should've seen that coming. I do feel he'll have plenty to cheer for next season in the 250F MX series if / when Roczen & Musquin can make it through the SX series healthy.
I do not understand people sometimes. A large majority of people here live for winning. They expect it, demand it and if your not producing your are kicked to the curb. Things start to change when a person is in their mid twenties and in the lites class. Most will argue the lites class is a development class. Yea right! As long as there is money to be made with winning championships in the lites, team managers are going to put riders who they feel have the best opportunity to win. Regardless of age, race, religion, sex, priors, height, weight, home school, no school. Everyone says give so and so a chance, if only he had a PC or Geico bike they would win. I guess Mitch is has made some poor decisions by not picking these so called diamonds in the rough.
sef154 wrote: "I respect the GP riders and enjoy those races. But you’re so biased by ignorance that your stuff is hard to read (or stomach)."
Ah, at last, someone who has echoed the sentiments I´ve had regarding SOME American fans for ages.
I love this site, and I love AMA and I love America, but if there is one thing that truly pisses me off, and most other Europeans I know, it´s this blind nationalism by American MX fans. Hey, no one questions the quality of the AMA riders, because they are so bloody awesome. But do you know what? So are the GP guys. You´ve seen a couple of them so you should know the high standard of rider that is bred in Europe. You guys are always claiming to be the best, the greatest, the GOAT, the this, the fücking that, and it´s got completely out of hand.
Let me tell you, I´ve only given you guys a small taste of what we have had to put up with since Rodger De Coster come to the USA and showed you what MX is all about.
I came on this site to let you know what it feels like to have a bias bigot on here keep telling you how great our boys are and how AMA riders suck.
I hope you now realize how fücking irritating it is.
Anyway, I´m outta here because my mission is completed, but before I go I want to just ask you guys to show a bit of respect for someone other than an American rider.
Cheers.
for sure AMA has the best crashe(r)s .......
@ Mike
I no doubt have great respect for the GP riders. Everybody knows Roger is the Man. He used to come over and ride Trans AMA races and only Hannah could handle him at all. I was lucky enough to get to race with Joel Smets at Gatorback when he came over on a fourstroke Husaberg I believe. That guy was a monster and super strong. I got to race (be on the same track) with Stefan Everts when he came over and rode a few SX races in the early 90's on a Suzuki. (He kinda sucked at SX) but we all know what Stefan did over the years of his career.
I grew up following what the GP riders were doing with guys like Thorpe, Eric Geobors and I will admit I was always happy when RJ, Bailey, Wardy and O'mara would beat them. It wasn't that I hated them, I knew they were good riders, and it gave us a since of pride to beat guys like this. You have to remember that in the early 80's and before that, we were getting owned by the GP riders on the regular, so it was cool to see it. Probably the same feeling when a GP rider comes over here and wins a race, GP fans are pumped on it because they beat some really good riders.
I guess my point is, It's ok to be proud of your riders. It's normal. And while I will say you may get some of the younger crowd come on and say some BS about the GP guys, you can't take that as what everybody thinks. Plus, this is an American based website, so if you have a bunch of pro-American fans on here, what do you expect. So if you come on here and say "what about this guy or that guy on the GP's" people may take a shot at you but that's kinda like shoving a stick in the middle of a hornets nest. you are gonna get a reaction. It's not personal, it's just a reaction. Don't sit at home and ponder the dark issues that a bunch of Americans on an American web site may have and try to prove some point. That's puttin way too much thought into something that is not really that important. It's Motocross, not a Political arena, so nothing should be taken to heart.
So in conclusion all I can say to you is......
G.O.A.T...... I know it, You know it, Everybody knows it.
good day sir.... I said Good Day!
That would be Stefan Everts then, right?
Stefan Everts = 10 WORLD TITLES in MX
Dickey Carmichael = numerous NATION titles in MX
Sorry MTY dude, Mike is right. There are lots of douchbags on here making a whole bunch of douchbag claims.
Douche Bag claim? not just a regular claim, but a Douche bag claim?? Man, what would my momma's Douche Bag think?
Oh and I did say I saw Stefan on a SX track. He didn't quite have SX skills in his arsonel of weapons so that may take a little shine off overall status. BUT he killed it on the MX track. What year was it that the MXDN was in Belgium? America got skunked that day for sure. That was Stefan's home country, did he win his class that day or was it somebody else?
@ Mike, I'm not sure if you're aware of all the Nationalism that has happened throughout the G.P.'s for years (probably from the very start).
In Belgium they rolled bottles out on the track for other (non-Belgian) riders to deal with.
In Germany they blatantly moved fence / fence posts in & out as their favorites and their competitiors navigated the course.
I believe it was England where they completely overwatered (flooded) the track because they know Americans don't race as well in the mud (this was a MXdN).
Way back in '81 the promoters of the Trophy des Nations didn't even want to pay the Americans their start money because they did not believe them to be of any relevance.
I'm old enough that I dreamed of being a WORLD MX Champion when I was a kid and there are a lot more of us on here than you may realize.
I AM a huge flag waiver and pro-American supporter and this extends beyond sporting events into every aspect of my life. This does not make me anti- Italian, British, German, Belgian or Australian, it just makes me pro-American.
Yeah, It's funny, I never felt any ill feelings towards GP riders coming up. I always thought the GP's were awesome and anytime a GP champion would come to the US, I was pumped that they came over. If they won,,,, WOW! If they didn't I was glad for the U.S. guy who beat him. the only time I ever get off the fence is for the MXDN and I pull for my guys but that's what you are supposed to do.
I know where the MOTO roots stem from and have not forgot that. But just because I am in the Opinion that RC is one of if not the best ever does not make that a douche bag statement or thought. RC beat everybody that was ever put on the track with him. He just happens to be American. And that makes it a little more cool for me as an American.
In my own experience, I lived in New South Whales near Sydney Austrailia for a few years and did a little racing while I was there. The entire time, I was always approached and the conversation always ended up being about Aussy achievements compared to U.S. achievements. Americans are competitive and have National pride for sure, but there seems to be a chip on the shoulders of others in all walks to down play these achievments to prove some point. It's not just moto. I didn't get it at the time and why the conversations always led that direction. I certainly didn't lead them there. You see alot of that on these message boards with multi nation participation and others seem to get a little disturbed when not properly achknowledged and it leads to some "DB" statements.
I guess the Americans need to stroke the ego's of the rest so they don't get upset with us? Is that how it works? Now that is a "DB" attitude.
@oldfartsclub – Your statement not only is without class but without merit. You go ahead and call Everts' titles "world" championships. Why don't we make a list of top GP riders who have made a beeline to America to "race the best"? Everts didn't, and that was his decision, but how many GP and AMA riders did he NOT have to race for those titles because ... they were racing in America! Everts also raced much longer than RC to get those titles. I'm not saying any of this to belittle Stefan, but to shine a little light on your asinine comment. And I'm happy to see GP riders come over because that solidifies our status as the TOP series in the world. Where's Roczen going next year? (With the benefit of nearly three full GP seasons, I might add.) You guessed it!
Just to Clarify, Everts DID make a go of it here. He started the, I believe, 1992 SX series to see where he stood with the idea of possibly making a full time return. He had a tough time of it and was only scheduled to do, I think it was 5 rounds, and then leave for his GP season, Like Kenny did this year. He never came back for that full time deal. He has rode several Nationals since then, but his carreer worked out much better for him in the GP tour. That is fine and I think it was the right thing for him to do. The guy was awesome for a long time. Def one of the best riders in the world ever and certainly on top of the heap as far as GP riders go.
Unify the series' rules / specs for an even playing field and have an end of season several race series for bragging rights.
Rockstar (for example) would probably kill to have their stamp on this series (and pay out quite a chunk of change as well).
There would be a lot of details to work out, travel probably being preeminent but, to the right promoter & sponsors it could be a gold mine. Waving money at people is always a motivating factor and the economy being what it is racers will eventually have the freedom contractually to attend these races. Unlike the U.S.G.P.'s where U.S. racers are either uninterested, contractually excluded, or otherwise not available, they would WANT to get a piece of that pie.
Unlike the "Monster cup" (formerly U.S. open of SX), the euros would actually WANT to attend this event and have a shot at some garaunteed pro payback unlike their youthstream promoted series.
As long as they keep the shady promoters / wheeler dealers (you know who you are) away from the table, it could be the next big thing.
Sounds good, Carlsbad, but they used to have just such a series - it was called TransAm (and then TransUSA). It faded into the sunset nearly 30 years ago. Maybe ... if the money could be raised....
@ oldfartsclub - ?"Dickey Carmichael"? That is a D-Bag statement. Stefan Everts is a great racer! I have a lot of respect for him so I'm not going to personally attack him. But!, I am going to say that your ignorance is far beyond my comprehension. I never comment on this stuff but you just slapped one of the most memorable racers in USA history in the face. RC has done more for the sport of MX then we can thank him for. Even if you were not a fan of his at the race track, you still envied him because of his raw speed and winning mentality! To get nick named the G.O.A.T. by some of the harshest fans, says everything.
Might I add, 2 PERFECT outdoor seasons in the AMA racing circuit....... does that say anything or is that not enough for you? We'll NEVER see that again.
Have some respect "douchbag".
@Mike, you act as if the only nationalism that goes on is from American fans. Get a grip, I have read as you have about bottles being thrown at American riders, and the GP riders work together off the starts in the Des Nations to block the American riders, to get a win "for all the Euros out there" was a direct quote from a GP rider at those same Des Nations. It goes both ways, as you prove with every comment.
Oldfartsclub-- You just proved how little you know about motocross. Everts himself has said Ricky Carmicheal was the fastest he has ever seen. Everts dominated in Europe, in a kind of watered down series. All the guys who beat Everts came to the US to race. Sabastion Tortelli beat Everts then came here, David Vullimen beat Everts then came here, and neither of them could beat Ricky Carmicheal, not at all. Josh Coppins in an interview with Motocross Action said in his words, after racing both series in his career. "America has the fastest riders in the world, even with a few top ridewrs out with injury(This interview took place in November 2010) but they still have the fastest riders." There you go , and quote from on of your own GP guys.