Racer X ReduX: RedBud
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RedBud has become the easy answer to the “what’s the coolest race?” question, and this year’s event presented all the usual highlights. Even Friday rain couldn’t mess with the vibe, because the sunshine powered through on Saturday and dried up all the mud. Couple that with the usual elements—big crowd, good racing, a fun track, and the idea that everyone in the crowd agrees on something—RedBud is awesome—and you have the recipe for a great weekend. It’s kind of like the KFC folks. As long as they have the colonel’s secret blend of 11 herbs and spices, they’re gonna’ crank out some tasty chicken.
(Although now I see KFC is advertising that they’re a real restaurant with a “cook” making all the food in the back. Yes, I’m sure there’s a real Emeril back there at your local KFC. This from the company who once tried to change their acronym to Kitchen Fresh Chicken, and once put out an ad about how healthy their fried food was because it was low in carbs. So now I’m starting to wonder about the mystique of this place. Let’s just forget it. RedBud > KFC).
Anyway, RedBud had it going on as always. Everyone left happy and headed into a well-deserved break. With July 4th lined up for Monday, even the office grunts were probably slated to get an extra day.
As usual the fans came out in droves for RedBud.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Then things turned strange. On Monday morning, I first heard about the Josh Lichtle situation. Monday morning, two days after the race. From what we know now, Lichtle, a privateer from Michigan, passed away in the hospital, perhaps from complications from heat stroke.
I remember Lichtle, as do many, from his performances in the amateur ranks. He was fast, but things never worked out at the pro level. All thoughts go out to the friends and family. Injuries are commonplace in this sport, but death is not, and in fact this is the first time ever in the 40-year history of the AMA Motocross Championship where a rider has passed. That only makes this situation harder to understand. I’d imagine more details will eventually surface, but that’s not going to make things any better for Josh’s family. So, we’re all thinking about them this week and we’ll always remember. This is not something anyone braces for when a loved one goes to a motocross track. Injuries, yes. Not coming home at all? No. Godspeed, Josh.
Adding to the strangeness, at the track on Saturday, I’m not sure if anyone knew about Josh’s condition. I was at the track until 9 p.m. on Saturday, a good eight hours after the first 450 moto began, and not a single person seemed to know about this. I didn’t hear any, “Hey did you hear about Josh Lichtle?” questions or “Hey, have you heard anything about Josh Lichtle?” And this is not the kind of thing people would be shy about. If anyone knew that a rider had gone to a hospital in such dicey condition, people would have said something. It’s like he left the track for casual observation, and then things took a turn for the worst several hours later.
I knew nothing about this until I picked up on a tweet from Davi Millsaps on Monday morning. This one is so beyond anything we’re used to hearing about, I just don’t really know what else to say until we know more.
Anyway, no doubt this passing of one of Michigan’s own will forever leave a mark on the 2011 edition of the RedBud National. Up until the news about Lichtle, the event was great, as always. Now it will be remembered as the race where a rider died, although I’m sure by the time we return to the track next year we’ll have a better understanding of what happened on Saturday.
It has overshadowed the weekend. Made the rest of the headlines a little smaller. But they’re still headlines, nonetheless. So let’s dig into them.
Is Baggett the next RV?
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
I’m excited that the first half of this championship provides no clues for the second half. All three championships are clearly up for grabs (250, 450, WMX).
In the case of the 250 and 450 classes, we have two twins tearing it up speed wise, but neither leads the points. Ryan Villopoto and Blake Baggett are clearly cut from the same mold. Five years ago, people were making a lot of parallels between Ricky Carmichael and Ryan Villopoto because they had both had the short, red head, Pro Circuit Kawasaki outdoor dominance thing going. But Baggett and RV are even closer, because, well, they are actually even closer to each other. I literally saw Baggett and RV hanging at Loretta’s together for years as kids. RV lived at the Baggett house for a while. They now share the same trainer, they still ride together, and they’re both still on the green bikes.
And when they both drop the hammer, well, they do some damage.
Baggett once again looked merely mortal during the first half of his motos on Saturday. Those tricky, muddy off-cambers forced everyone into the same line, and then mud bog through it like it was a GNCC race. Blake loves to run outside and inside to find passing room, but that wasn’t working in those conditions. You had to go through the one good line. But by the second half of the race, though, he had it figured out, he deviated a little less from the main line, found his way past Dean Wilson and Ryan Sipes, and, yes, dropped the hammer.
Second moto was interesting. For the first half, Wilson stayed close. Now, clearly Dean is a competitive guy and he’s not happy about missing out on the overall wins this year. Especially not to Baggett. He wanted to beat Blake, for sure, and he was going after him. But once again, at the halfway mark, Baggett turned it up. Turned it up. He ran a 2:17 on lap five, then all of a sudden ran a 2:14, a 2:13 and a 2:14. It was obvious he had flipped the switch. We were on a commercial break during the TV show, and when I saw Blake just crush the section between LaRocco’s Leap and the finish, I turned to my broadcast teammate Jeff Emig and just gave the bye-bye wave. In just that one section, you could see Blake could bring speed no one else could match.
About 30 minutes later, we saw the exact same thing from Villopoto. He wanted to end things in a hurry. So he just taped the throttle wide open and crushed that section, too. He was gone.
Villopoto’s competitors are not surprised. Ryan Dungey has been on the receiving end of a Villopoto sprint before. I’ve compared Villopoto to an RC car before—it’s like he just puts the throttle on full and tries his best to steer around trouble. There’s a certain robotic quality to his speed, where he seems to have no fear of what he might hit. He just pins it.
Dungey's 2-2 finishes were not enough to overtake Reed for the overall.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
The Dunge would love to just beat RV straight up, but it’s not going to happen all the time (to his credit, he got it done last week in Colorado. But it won’t end like that in every moto). Although he wants the wins, his best quality is his consistency. Reed, meanwhile, doesn’t even seem to care about any of that. He knows he’s not going to just dominate Villopoto every weekend, so he takes his swings when he can, and protects points when he can’t. Yeah, Reed got passed by Mike Alessi in the second moto and that cost him a chance to stick with the Ryans, but he later admitted he probably wasn’t fast enough to beat them anyway.
So far the consistency is working—RV may have been the fastest at his peak, but it’s impossible to say which of these three riders is the championship favorite. Dungey and Reed have been down this road before, they can work with these circumstances.
I’m not so sure the 250 guys are as ready. Coming into RedBud, the other riders found solace by thinking Blake couldn’t bring this kind of speed every weekend. They can’t think that any longer. RedBud was not Blake’s style of track. I asked him afterwards if he had much experience in soft, muddy, wet, rutted conditions and he said no, he had never been to RedBud and had never really ridden on dirt like this. He’s used to dry, dusty, baked, hard stuff out on California. He was only seventh fastest in qualifying, but he figured it out during the races. And once he dropped the hammer….
Reed celebrated his fourth overall of the year at RedBud.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
So if you’re Chad Reed, you’re holding the points lead, four overall wins, and going on vacation (he is, literally, on vacation right now). If you’re Ryan Dungey, you’re not super pumped on sitting third in points, but you believe you have a shot. But if you’re Dean Wilson, you’re frustrated. If you’re Tyla Rattray, you’re frustrated. Both of these guys are riding awesome. They’re fast, they’re fit, they’re focused. They’re giving it everything they have. But this Baggett deal, this is alien. The speed doesn’t even make sense. Ten years ago, I taped the RedBud race on TV and rewound the race over and over. Carmichael was in the middle of his first perfect season, and I was trying to figure out where he was going so much faster than everyone else. The tape just confused me more. He would just go sitting down into the biggest bumps, and for some reason, they didn’t seem like bumps. He just went. Just gassed it. As if he was missing all the rough stuff or something. I could never make sense of it.
Baggett is kind of similar. There are a few highlight sections—like that spot between LaRocco’s Leap and the finish—but around most of the track, it just looks like he’s riding on a different track than everyone else. Where are the braking bumps when this kid goes into a corner?
What makes it tough on those guys is that Baggett came out of nowhere. To think, this kid left Loretta Lynn’s two years ago without any sort of deal whatsoever, and had to hit a few pro nationals and show his speed to get any sort of ride at all. At least Villopoto left Loretta’s with a PC deal signed and ready. At least Villopoto only had to turn the tables on one rider—Mike Alessi—to become the man. Baggett? He wasn’t on anyone’s list. Now he’s the fastest man in the 250 class since, well, RV. And RV? He’s the one they compared to RC. That’s some pretty good company.
Can Cunningham stop the PC train?
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
Through the first six rounds, we’ve been asking if anyone else could join the trio up front. In the 250s, the competition has fallen away a bit. Justin Barcia is now racking up the crashes and bike problems and illnesses—everything that could go wrong is going wrong. Eli Tomac, it seems, is just not going to catch fire like everyone expected him to. He was lucky to escape from the weekend without a major injury. Wil Hahn looked good in his return from injury, but those front three are on another level than everyone right now. The closest comp may actually come from the DNA Shred Stix Star Racing Yamaha duo of Kyle Cunningham and Ryan Sipes. This team has really stepped up this year and Kyle and Ryan have shown the stuff needed to compete for a win. They just need to bring all of the elements into the same moto.
In the 450s, I think Brett Metcalfe is set for a strong second half, but man, those three up front are flying. Kevin Windham, Davi Millsaps and Mike Alessi are good, but the big three seem just that much, um, gooder? It’s a tough road this year in the big class when you have three guys pushing each other up front.
That’s it for Redux this week. Be sure to check out Notebook for more, um, notes on the weekend. I’m taking a weekend off. And once again, Godspeed, Josh Lichtle.
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Villopoto and Bam Bam are dangerous to other riders and the A.M.A. needs to take a look at these two, and start penalizing them.
What are you smoking.... How is Villopoto a danger to other riders???? Even Bam Bam has been pretty mellow in terms of contact. You sir are an idiot.
agreed, jairtime suks is a dip sh*t, this is motocross dude, go play some kick ball pus*y
Lets see, Bam Bam takes out Marvin Musquin and ends his season at Freestone and he has crashed at least 6 more times or more in other motos since Freestone. then Villopoto crashes and takes out T Hahn ending his day of racing.
If u want to go back to SX Stewie never ended another riders season, and because of his crashes and other riders consequently going down a bunch of people on here were calling for him to be "BANNED" PENALIZED" etc. etc.
So as you can see my point I am doing THE SAME THING,if U dish it be able to take it!!!
I guess the Trans-AMA doesn't count as an AMA National Championship series, where Jim West died at 23 years of age in 1975.
I've been thinking: what if the 127 pound Blake Baggett kept training like RC, moved up to the 450s and rode like RC? The power-to-weight advantage, combined with a lot of wiry strength and endurance, might be the death blow to all the fast guys. Might not be very likely, but I like to think it would be pretty cool.
@jairtimesuks, don't be a racist. James Stewart is the most dangerous rider to other riders in AMA motocross history.
jairtime is a flaming douchebag!!
baggett is smoking fast right now, for sure he resembles RV
Red Bud is the Daytona of of MX as far as the championship goes, unless the series is a runaway like years of the past.....But now we are at the halfway mark and racing has been great so far....After his moto 1 crash at Red Bud and the comeback ride after, RV looks to be on a mission....so hopefully we see some good clean racing here over the next couple months and RV comes out on top!!
Let me break it down for you Weeg.Carmicle wasn't sitting through the bumps.He's so short it just looked like he was sitting.Thank you the tard nickname has finally died.Thank you.Now I'm looking foward to the next stupid bet.KFC, Really! Damn I'm on a diet.What did you mention that for.Now I'm going to KFC.Thanks Weeg,Richardhead!
Villopoto crashing ending T Hahn's day?? WRONG: T Hahn finished 12th in moto 2, idiot. Stewie never ended a rider's season?? WRONG: Matt Boni to name one, idiot. Everyone knows (except you obviously) that motocross is a very dangerous sport and having that many riders on the track at the same time is liable to cause riders to wreck on another's error. So go back to your cheetos and bean bag and choose to watch figure skating which should be a little easier for you to understand and should be more enjoyable for you to watch, idiot.
Stewie and Bam Bam took out those guys riding over their head. The AMA has rules against intentionally endangering other riders but this is clearly not the case.
That said if Bam Bam keeps going for everyones front wheel somebody is going to get hurt eventually and in that case the the AMA would have to take action or look like the fools they are. Funny though.........how do you get to the pro level reving on guys, not knowing how to pass, and riding out of control?
Wow, who sid RV caused the crash at Red Bud anyway....from another article I read it sounded like K-Dub was bumped, he bumped into Alessi, Alessi bumped into Hahn a a few guys including RV went down like dominos......Its a race it happens, luckily nobody was injured and RV picked himself up and got back into the race with an excellent performance on a bike that was falling apart....that will be the "turning point" of this series......RV got fired up and had he had a few more laps he may have got into the top 5......yes, 6th 7th and 8th place were within reach...Moto 2 he came out swinging getting past RD in turn one and taking off...
you guys that are jealous of barcia need to get over it - Remember BRADSHAW - guys like this make our sport interesting - its why you tune in - go watch bowling -
Bam Bam is not out there to hurt anyone , hes just rubbin - and rubbin is racin. Havent you ever seen days of thunder .
I have never seen anyone carry the outside line as fast on a 250F as RV........I see where Baggett learned from.
Excellent point about CR chosing his spots
RD a great rider and is so close...... he may have Reed covered but it looks iike he may become what CR was to The Goat
Barcia has the speed and agression no doubt and not that I am able to give him moto advice but.........it seems to me SX tactics don't work in the TGO. Dude i've seen you stick the front wheel on corner entry at least thre times !
Ride on Josh L
JimM
Pala374
The list is long re JS ruining another rider's race or season. Ahh, just this year he ping-ponged Reed at the end of the whoop section and likely cost Reed the championship. A few years ago Tedesco was on Suzuki and in the 1st practice of the season JS lands on him, breaks his wrist and ends his race year. Who was it he tripled onto a couple years ago (on a Yamaha I think)? You kidding or just uninformed?
Its unreal how many negative posts there are on this website. This was a great article. Weigandt seems to always have great stuff. If I were a decision maker at a company outside the industry and paid attention to all the terible stuf people leave in the comments section I'd turn around and run. I feel its very unfortunate how the negative bickering always overshadows the positives in this great sport. Please motocross people, cheer up
With so many idots and DAs aurguing about who the most dangerous rider is didn't even notice that there was not even one mention of that stupid nickname El Chupacabra.Yeah, rejoice people.The nickname has died.Weeg said not a thing about it.YES!
jairtimesuks You are so out of line!!! I think you need to take up another sport. This Is Motocross!!!!
Damn right motocross is a dangerous sport, but that one douchbag missed the point, It isn't about Bam and Villo and how reckless they are, its about that Stewie had similar incidents, and people on this site called for him to be PENALIZED, so f.u. if you hypocrites won't call other riders out for the same damn thing!!!!
OH and to that one idiot telling me to eat some cheeto's, I love cheetos!!!!!
So, did anyone else notice Villipoto throw the huge whip over Larocco's Leap on the last lap? Two amazing rides from him Saturday. Can't wait to see this show at MX338!!
@Jairtimessuks is just trying to start vrap. If he watches any moto, he klnows better. And Barcia DID NOT take out Musquin. Barcia crashed, and Musquin ran into the back of him. Barcia never hit him. And RV has had one crash in his career were he has made contact with another rider, and you want to say he is as dangerous as Stewie?? Who as we all know, has made contact with about a dozen riders in his crashes, boy, what a fool.. Barcia has definately had his problems with his crashes, but I havent seen him take out anybody else with his. Stewie washed out and made contact and knocked down RV when he was leading the points, got squrrely in the whoops and t-boned Reed off the track when he was points leader. And landed on Jason Thomas, all in one season. I dont think Barcia has done anything close to that. And RV hasnt ever. @jaitimesuks-- your just trying to take care of your boy. Sorry, didnt work, we are talking about motocross racers.
@WEEGE, this was a great article, sorry its getting ruined by a hater like jairtimesuks..
@jairdumb (the racist JS7 stalker) and @jairdumber suks SHUT THE F*#K UP! Jesus , God ,lord above Please come down and touch these dumba8ses with even the tiniest bit of common f*#King sense. It's motocross you stupid PU&SYS;... If you race and you haul - you will sooner or later bump someone or/and crash. When mom or 'uncle jim' lets you take the PW out of your backyard where the other boys can't play ,and go to the track someday you'll understand. You guys probably will want to get behind a competitor or a lapper(which will be rare for you) and wait till he waves to you and makes a OK sign before you ease by ,merge back into your line and then give him the OK sign back as you politely slowly move forward. And once and forever JAMES STEWART IS NOT RACING. HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACING THIS SEASON! You two morons stand high on top the podium of buttmunchers. You suk beyond sucking ...you are suktacular. I would love to take a nice 450 lit up in third and t-bone you into space.
The AMA needs to take a look at Villo and Barcia? That's retarded. you must be the guy at the Go Kart track that yells when the kids are bumping each other in the corners.
Anyway, I don't get all this Politically correct, metro sexual racing. I promise you that in my days riding Nationals and Supercross,,, I didn't make much impact in the results, but I had no problem taking other riders deep in corners, throwing in a brake check or an elbow here and there, or on the last lap just drilling somebody to try and get that last qualifying spot. (we used to race qualifiers, not timed practice).. And I was a back marker,, guys like Bradshaw, Chicken, Emig, Larocco and the list goes on... were knocking the crap out of each other on a regular basis.
How, as fans do any of you guys complain about any of these riders?? How do you not like what every single one of them do on a bike? I get if somebody is coming off as a dick.. I absolutly hated Jeff Matasivich, but it was because of the way he acted around me, not his riding, Seeing a bunch of you pissy about a bunch of guys you don't know at all is so......... Nascar.
Every one of these guys brings something great to this sport. Stewart, Reed, RV, Dungey, All of them. All of them have made mistakes both on and off the track. So what. Didn't make a bit of difference in your life. If RV's bike knocked down Hahn, well I expect if anybody would have any reason to complain, maybe it's Tommy, but it was an crash and that happens and I have a feeling that Hahn, though disappointed in the outcome, chalked it up as just that.
Not all of you, but some of you are complainers and are pretty clueless as to what is even happening at the track, in the pits. bumping and bouncing into each other and knocking each other down when the racing is close isn't taken personal all the time. you know when somebody is messing with you and that's not as common as you would like to think. Maybe Days of Our Lives or some other day time soap is more up your ally!
Ignore the posts by the idiots and they will go away.
I wish the TV coverage was better so we can see some of the real action as stated by Weege;
"We were on a commercial break during the TV show, and when I saw Blake just crush the section between LaRocco’s Leap and the finish, I turned to my broadcast teammate Jeff Emig and just gave the bye-bye wave. In just that one section, you could see Blake could bring speed no one else could match."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJxEAY4RiUA barcia eating while leading the first moto, i took this, saw him get sketchy there the lap before and waited, and sure enough, barcia ate it:)
You all are a bunch of armchair throttle twisters...
JS7 is by far the most reckless, disrespectful, douchyest rider in the history of our great sport.
This idiot should be banned permanently before he takes out another rider. I think alot of you must have missed him ruining the title for Reed, taking RV out with 3 races to go so he might have a chance. BTW he ended Justin Taylors season by landing on him and causing JT to have a torn ACL.
This is fact, this is also every single season that JS7 has been in. Its time to give this moron the boot before this sport looses all credibility. SCREW THIS DOUCHE!
Its awesome how everyone likes James Stewart. He is my favorite racer. No matter what the topic on here you guys cant help but talk about him. Love him or hate him you cant get him out of your head. If you read his twitters he feeds off this. You haters only make him more hungry. So yes i brought him up once again and i dont talk crap about riders just because they are in a rough part of their career. Keep on fighting Bubba!
@the baddest dumba*s ever ....you win man .HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! not ONE fact correct. you sir are as you would say KING DUUSCHTARD. please keep em comin' that sh*t was funny. I'm sure Justin Taylor agrees.HAHAHAHA!!!!
@ tonewall, thank you dude, lay it on these goons. I cant believe people are still running their traps about him. Has not been around all summer, but it NEVER fails, some oaf will be talking trash. you must be good if idiots cant stop talking about you. Personally i think it runs more than him as a rider.....sad to say
Seriously if you guys can't take rubbin and bumpin...join a knitting circle. I just found a dusty VHS tape at the shop I work at from a 1986 Supercross, there was more bangin and bumpin in the first lap than there has been all season! It's just more talked about because of the idiot box television and social media blowing everything out of context. TP199 paralyzed someone from wreckless driving yet he is still America's stunt hero, he's the new age Evel. It's racing...if a guy is getting lapped and doesn't realize how fast someone is coming up on them...how is that the guy in the leads fault? James/Ricky/RV/Dungey/Reed...their closing speed is like nothing you've ever seen unless you've been to a pro race...half the time they catch these lappers by surprise and there is nowhere to go. I'm sure James enjoys crashing....because that's what you are basically saying. You don't take someone out without the risk of taking yourself out....and if you do that too many times you aren't winning titles. Now how idiotic does that sound? Think about it....NO ONE is gonna take themselves out to prove they are faster. If you can't take the truth find a new sport because like it or not Motocross is a CONTACT sport...Always has been and Always will be
The thing most of u are missing is evertime you crash you could "take" someone out with you "IF" someone is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Barcia has crashed a LOT this year and "IF" someone was next to him everytime they could have "Been taken out".. So does that mean lots of JS's crashes were just that and someone was just unlucky to be there at the wrong time?? I mean its not like JS is trying to crash into people. But leave it to bd200 to say he t-boned Reed off the track, Do you really think that was the plan BD200?? Or did he just crash and well Reed was in a bad spot at a bad time?? Thats how I see it. ALL of these guys push it and go down some more than others. Hell even K-Dub wreaked wile in the lead and could have VERY easly took out someone that night. I never bash any of these guys for trying and thats all JS and Barcia do. On the other point I do think Barcia rides a little dirty when it is not needed, Did any of you see him KICK the guy on inside moto show? That was guys sad to see, what a punk!! I have not proble stuffing someone when needed but he does not even try a clean pass sometimes just goes for that front wheel.
Just cant read it all. r.i.p. Josh. "u.f.b." (ask a marine)
I honestly started this with baggin on Bam and Villo to get ounder peoples skin because these same Hypocrites came down on Stewie hard for racing incidents and now when there are racing incidents (which there always will be) involving other riders, people on here should look at themselves and how JS was treated on here during SX Season.
TONEWALL, I ride Oak Hill, River Valley & Nocona all the time. If U would like to ride hard and aggressive against me I invite you to do so, If you want me to show at your tracks then tell me where, and we WILL set something up I promise you, now to be chicken sh!t!!!!!!
TONEWALL, ball is in ur corner BRO...........................................don't be skeeeeered!
My 2 cents is that this article shows no respect whatsoever to Canard, Dungey or Pourcel. Those three are super solid and were also another level above Wilson, Rattray and the rest during their 250 seasons. To say he is the fastest guy since RV or RC is also an exaggeration. You are writing that based upon a performance relative to the rest of the class. Thats what makes his performance look so much better. Not doubting his obvious speed, but just putting the breaks on the article a bit. Langston went 4 motos in a row in 01. Guys have gotten onto streaks before, and they were not only RC or RV. Maybe he is the next RC, but you dont write about it before he has gone out and proved it.
@BIILC, there you go again, a hundred guys on here saying way worse things than me and "I" am the only one you mention. OK here it is. I NEVER said Stewie intentionally did anything, YOU show me were I did. I simpoly compared his crashes to RV's and Barcia's. Thats it, because a poster above said that RV and Barcia were dangerous, and he compared those two also. That is it, if you have a problem too bad I guess, get over it. I never said anything by your boy Stewie was intentional. And when you hit someone dfead in the said with the front of your vehicle, its called a "T-Bone", just so you understand, and that is how Stewie ran into Reed. I NEVER SAID IT WAS INTENTIONAL God you are so hard-headed when it comes to Stewie its creepy..
OK bd200...FOR the last time ( I have told u this atleast 5 times already) I mention YOU because you are here all the time and I don't waste much time with people who don't have an Avtar or change there name every other post...GET IT?? Also how am I think headed about JS when I say the same thing about ANYONE who crashes?? I think your hate for JS is the issue here (and I am not the only one who see's it)
I have said it a thousand times. I DO NOT cheer for Stewie, I give the guy credit for being very fast and has the ability to win every race he enters, but I hate his giant ego and attitude. But dont put words in my mouth, I never said he did anything intentional to any rider when he wads it up. And you keep acting like I do.
And anyone who even remotely thinks what RV did at Red Bud was anything close to the things Stewie was responsible for over his career is completely blind.
Fair enough BD200, Fair enough. But hey I am not the only one who takes your posts that way. Maybe try wording it dif.
I think some guys just like to argue if someone isnt kissing Stewies butt. You know I have always given Stewie credit for his speed and aggressiveness, but I hate his attitude, and you know its really the only reason I dont cheer for him. That and some of the Stewtards who would defend him if he kicked a puppy.
Thats why you fight with me about him, I DON'T defend him like you say I do, I like his go for it style and never bash anyone who give there all. I don't care as much as you about what he says I watch the races and like who I like because of how they race not how they talk. Also things you read are not always the way they were said so unless I hear him say something with my own ears I take it with a grain of salt.