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Racer X Redux: Thunder Valley

Thursday, June 30, 2011 | 12:00 PM

I used to really suck at dancing. I still do, actually, but I used to suck, also.

(I stole this joke from comedian Mitch Hedberg. Only I replaced “drug problem” with the dancing bit.)

The only difference is that somewhere along the way I learned to embrace the dancing suckiness. When I was trying to dance well, or correctly, or cool, or however you would describe the idea of dancing well, things weren’t working. Once I decided to use my skills to make a mockery of not just myself, but the entire idea of dancing, things started to roll. Today, I’ll get out there to the center of any dance floor at any time and show just that same sense of perfectly incorrect timing and rhythm. It’s just a joke so I’m cool with being uncool.

I just go with what I have. It’s when I try to force it and make things right that I get into trouble.

(Long pause. You’re now wondering how I can possibly tie this back to motocross, but that last line maybe have given just a small light at the end of the tunnel. Ready?)

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The calm before the storm at Thunder Valley.
Photo: Garth Milan

I’m impressed with the control the three championship contenders have shown this far in the 450 class of the Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship. The one thing that really ruins much-hyped championship battles are huge crashes and injuries, and so far, Reed, Villopoto and Dungey are still here, 100 percent healthy and as closely matched in July as they were in March.

This is exactly what we want to see, and yet it goes against what we actually want. Here’s Ryan Dungey, defending AMA Supercross and Motocross Champion, not getting wins very often this year. And here we are (and by we, I mean a large swath of fans, industry pundits, insiders, and clueless hack journos like myself) saying that Ryan needs to ride more aggressively. Turn it up. Hang it out. That will solve his problem.

Indeed, it seems like there were races this year where Dungey could have forced some passes more aggressively. Especially since he seems unable to pull holeshots like he did last year, so he always has to pass at least one of the main contenders. But too many times he has rolled up on Chad Reed and then not found a way around—Oakland, Indy, Vegas, Hangtown, Freestone (first moto), Budds Creek, etc. And then it’s all, “He needs to get fired up. He needs to get more aggressive.”

What the heck do we know? Dungey’s riding style has always been smooth. You watch Ryan Villopoto ride and you get the feeling the dude is just dialing the speed meter to where it needs to be, first, and then figuring out a way to hang on. The Dunge isn’t like that, which curses him the same way so many others have been before—the Robbie Reynard/Damon Huffman/Kevin Windham types who couldn’t possibly be trying their hardest because they didn’t ride like they were trying hard.

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Dungey's riding style has always been more relaxed than most.
Photo: Simon Cudby

Dungey is trying hard. Trying his hardest. At the post-race press conference in Colorado, VitalMX’s Guy B asked Dungey if he has dialed up some more aggression lately. And Dungey quickly countered. “It’s not a matter of aggression,” Dungey said. “I always try my hardest every time I’m out there. It’s just getting good starts and putting yourself in position.”

Yes, maybe he could be more aggressive making passes at times. Seriously, I don’t remember Dungey ever putting a questionable block pass on someone. And, nice guy or not, just about every rider at his level has done that to someone at sometime, except maybe Jeremy McGrath. But McGrath gets a mulligan because he was normally ahead of everyone anyway. You don’t make block passes when you’re in the lead.

After his win over the weekend in Colorado, Dungey told me how much more energy he used running behind Reed at Hangtown and Budds Creek than he did out front by himself. When you’re behind, he explained, the roost and the other guy are blocking your view, so you’re hitting every rut and every bump wrong, and that wears you out. It would take less energy to be out front and actually go faster. So, making those passes is a key, and he actually did force the issue a bit on Reed in the first moto, and caught a break when Reed bobbled in the ruts of moto two. Now he has an overall win, and basically he has it because this time he got the heck around Reed when he didn’t so many other times this season. Also, he won the Toronto supercross, the only race of the year where he had the early lead.

Lesson learned, right?

Plus, throw Villopoto’s first-moto win streak into the equation. Villopoto actually started behind Dungey in each of those three motos. Dunge made a mistake early at High Point so RV squirted past. And in the very opening moments of Budds Creek and Thunder Valley, when everyone was just trying to get a feel for the track, and the wet conditions, RV decided he wasn’t waiting, passed a bunch of people, and took off. He whipped past Dungey, Reed and Alessi at Budds, and Dungey, Reed and Christian Craig in Colorado. The lead pack is darned close on speed this year, but the big advantage Villopoto has had this season is that he slices through traffic and make passes. The rest of the gang has finished where they have started a little more often.

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Villopoto is still trying to work out his second moto struggles.
Photo: Garth Milan

So if you’re Ryan Dungey, and you’ve seen the damage Villopoto can do when he gets aggressive when it’s wet and tricky (and risky), maybe you see the need to risk more. When you see how helpful it was to force the issue on Reed, maybe you force the issue more from now on. Yeah, we armchair racers know what we’re talking about.

Or maybe we’re just clueless. Maybe Dungey’s plan, which seems to have eliminated injury, crashes and bad races, is the right one. You can’t ask a guy to take more risks without expecting some failures, and maybe Dungey’s strategy is best. Take two bike problems that were not his fault out of this year’s supercross and motocross equations and he’d be right there in points, and that’s about all you can ask for.

(P.S. I’m still not going to jump on the, “if Dungey hadn’t lost a chain at Anaheim he could have won the supercross title” train. He still only won a single race after that. If you’re staking a claim to being the man, one win isn’t going to do it. Maybe after the chain problem, he needed to take a few more chances and risk it a bit more. But then again, what do I know?)

My point is, it’s easy to think someone should have hung it out more, but the reason the racing has been so exciting this year is because Dungey, Villopoto and Reed have not hung it out when it wasn’t going to work. Reed gave it a shot early in both Colorado motos, but soon realized he wasn’t going to stay with the young bucks. He took his 3-3, packed it in and left in one piece. Villopoto may have been beaten by Dungey in the second moto, but he’s not bumming. He got second, and from what I’m hearing, he’s still working on bike setup. He has the first motos dialed, but the rougher second motos are still a work in progress. And this was progress, so he’ll take that. And we get to line them all up healthy this weekend again at Red Bud.

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Will Baggett lead the field once again at RedBud?
Photo: Garth Milan

The 250 class had better hope that Blake Baggett doesn’t figure this deal out. When he’s on, he’s lethal. The only hope is that he tries to kill them when he’s not on, and it results in mistakes. But after his 1-1 Lakewood triumph, Baggett said he had learned a lesson at Budds. The track was tough to pass on, and he said he tried to force something that wasn’t there. So if he gets on a track like that again, he’ll just try to get a better start, or maybe just back it down.

Uh oh!

By the way, like it or not, we’re pushing the El Chupacabra nickname to the top. Beats the hell out of the inevitable BB57, and, at the post-race press conference, Blake said he looked it up last week and said it sounds pretty cool. He’s down, we’re down, and I can’t wait until someone shows up with an El Chupacabra sign at the races. Also, my dad is hoping it catches on enough to where Taco Bell introduces it as a new menu item. Cheap food is always a bonus!

If Baggett doesn’t back it down and continues with his win or crashness, you know Dean Wilson and Tyla Rattray will be right there. I’m leaning toward Wilson right now, and not just because he has the points lead at the moment. I think he can go slightly faster than Rattray when he has to, and I think he, like Baggett, will learn to eliminate the mistakes. I like all three of these PC guys and they would all make cool stories if they become champion.

Let’s just hope they all stay healthy and close all season long. Those 450 boys have proven how sweet it is when the contenders come back fighting every week.


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The Conversation

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MX117 wrote: 12:20pm June 30, 2011

It's funny to hear Dungey compared to Windham. People always described Dungey as someone who wasn't the most naturally talented rider, but worked very hard and was determined. Windham has always been described as perhaps the most naturally talented rider out there, but didn't always train as hard as he should have. There is irony in how their styles are now similar, despite being polar opposites early in their careers. I just hope Dungey doesn't become the Kevin Windham to Villopoto's Ricky Carmichael.

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Kawi567 wrote: 12:27pm June 30, 2011

sticking with el chupicabra, NOOOOOOO. O and HOLESHOT. How about the DEADLY BB GUN. or maybe BLAKE THE SNAKE the way he slithers through the compitition. Please anything but el chupicabra!

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PartyBoy wrote: 12:33pm June 30, 2011

The only thing more retarded than posting "holeshot" is when someone posts "holeshot" when they were the second/third one to post. FAIL.

Anyways, I hope RD learned something at Lakewood about passing Reed. There has been too many times that he's caught him, but not able to get around him. If he just sticks a wheel in there a little more often then he'll be getting into Reed's mind. He's just gotta learn how to pull some shotty's so RV doesn't just run away with it every 1st moto.

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Nealio wrote: 12:50pm June 30, 2011

McGrath never put a questionable block pass on someone??? Come on Weeg....

I think Lusk and Roncada would beg to differ... ;)

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BillC wrote: 12:59pm June 30, 2011

Funny how more and more people are starting to say what I have been saying fopr three years, RD is NOT good at passsing and he needs to be more aggressive. Damn I am way ahead of the curve i guess :)

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Trend Killer wrote: 1:11pm June 30, 2011

I think one thing to consider as far as comparing riding styles goes.....Dungey is on the taller lanky side while RV is on the shorter (formerly stocky) side. RV doesn't have the legs that a Dungey or Windham have so the bike bounces him around more....Same was for RC, he looked on the edge and bounced around on the bike more like RV does..

Red Bud = Closer to the Red Plate for RV

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@BILLC wrote: 1:11pm June 30, 2011

you. suck.

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Donuts are good wrote: 1:12pm June 30, 2011

The chup' has an awful lot of syllables. I'm throwing this one out there: Bilbo.
Come on: Baggins - Baggett.
Run it, Blake.

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2R's wrote: 1:15pm June 30, 2011

I think..maaayybbee WE can Say that Dungey,was a little Aggressive at Freestone for that 2nd moto..(Unstead of maybe saving fuel...) but I think he was showing,and sending a message..He's gonna Fight for this championship..Riding really good right NOW..Get em RD!!
RED BUDD:
450 Dungey
250 Rattray

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This is where it starts to get good.... wrote: 1:38pm June 30, 2011

RV was on a level of his own in the first moto going crazy fast. Dungey stepped it up and served notice that he can lay the wood too in a straight up race against those guys. The track was brutal for the second motos and it was hot which makes it even more impressive. So this is where it starts to get good. Dungey is getting confident and RV is over his early season troubles. Reed is going to be there every week but he may not have the extra gear the Ryans have. I can't wait to see how this plays out.........I betcha we'll see a lot of first moto wins for RV and second moto wins for RD.

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ride111mph wrote: 1:55pm June 30, 2011

JS7 makes block passes on lappers all the time and from day one. Thats who makes them when leading a supercross or motocross race

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HUH! wrote: 2:00pm June 30, 2011

If JS7 was in the mix, and Canard , it would be a whole new game , Instead , we get follow the leader . The forfathers of this sport , would all be laughing at these guys . Motocross is not about being nice . Bob Hannah would stuff all of these guys right over the berm . They need to man up and quit riding like old ladys . Excuse me , will you let me pass you !

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right arm-pump wrote: 2:03pm June 30, 2011

Say what you want about RD's style, but he doesnt usually end up with bones sticking out of his legs. gotta stay on 2 wheels ousies. How about "Fast Blaggett" or Bast

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JimboMX374 wrote: 2:04pm June 30, 2011

Guess I'm the only one that thinks with all the alternate lines he was using and mini swaps in his M1 deal wtih Reed is as hard as I've seen ryan ride.

Think about it , outdoors and SX passes are totally different. Getting a wheel in on a guy to make a block pass on multi lined deep rutted corners is hard.Your best shot is the momentum pass and dude was close but this is CR and RV we are talking about.

Not only that , its not time yet for the top three to rumble.

Ahhh.............TGO

Pala 374

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What? wrote: 2:09pm June 30, 2011

Where is the mention of Kevin Windham?????? He's the Brett Farve of MX and I want to read about him EVERY DAY!!!

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WH wrote: 2:12pm June 30, 2011

" Maybe after the chain problem, he needed to take a few more chances and risk it a bit more. But then again, what do I know?)"

Yes that is a good question? ....has Jason Weigandt ever actually been a rider?... how can someone who hasn't ridden or raced, have so much
insight on how or when Dungey needs to risk it more? Or what any rider is or isn't doing right or wrong?

"So if you’re Ryan Dungey, and you’ve seen the damage Villopoto can do when he gets aggressive when it’s wet and tricky (and risky), maybe you see the need to risk more."

???

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tonewall wrote: 2:18pm June 30, 2011

@ride111mph , When your leading (regardless of who you are) you can go where you damn well please and pass how you damn well want. It's called 'alpha dog' . It's also that normally someone is chasing you and since your there to race not trail ride you are not thinking of how to pass lappers politely.You basically need to get by safely and quickly by using any means necessary. Get in the lead once at a money (pro)race and it will all become clear.

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Holly Cow wrote: 2:21pm June 30, 2011

BillC we forgot your God.

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green rider wrote: 2:54pm June 30, 2011

ALL HALE BIIC

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BillC wrote: 2:57pm June 30, 2011

@Holly Cow... Its OK that you forgot, I understand that Mere Mortals's make mistakes... Just try not to let it happen again...K ...:)

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green rider wrote: 3:01pm June 30, 2011

Why are people talking about #7, on that yamaha he would get creamed outdoor. Put him back on that kawi then it would change. All HAIL BILLC "HERE COME'S VILLOPOTO SHOW". bla bla bla, if these guys win 2 in a row with this field like it is, that would be impressive.

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Falcon wrote: 4:12pm June 30, 2011

!El Chupacabra! It's about time we got a more interesting nickname. Blake should be proud. Plus, he's even got his own song, if he wants it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vdoNYirCWE

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LawnDart wrote: 4:25pm June 30, 2011

Lets be politically correct here. The Chupacabra's Heritage Foundation is surely going to send a lettter to the NAACP stating that Bagett's nickname is degrading, then all hell is going to break loose.

How about Chupy?..........

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MXDarren wrote: 4:51pm June 30, 2011

What about sandbaggin baggett?

he sandbags the first half of the race and then comes to life

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tailwhip wrote: 9:04pm June 30, 2011

^^^ That's the best so far, light years ahead of chimichanga or whatever.

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UncofRV2 wrote: 9:39pm June 30, 2011

If Blake was sponsored by Southwest Airlines he would be for Blakes' Bags its
Fly FREE!

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JB37 wrote: 10:09pm June 30, 2011

RD1 is going to go on a winning tear , and RV2 who is a great rider and CR22 are going to be searching the heavens as to what is happining.. And I mean a streak . We all know its comming .











He may or may not win the title but RD1 is going to lay claim to it.











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vxmoto23 wrote: 10:43pm June 30, 2011

I remember a bunch of people claiming that RD couldn't hang as soon as the "fast" guys (Reed, RV2, Stewart, etc.) got healthy and started racing again. Well, he may not always be the fastest or the flashiest, or whatever but RD is always there in the top 3. He's consistent, trains hard, and seems like a genuinely nice guy. I have always been a RV2 fan, but to be honest, I really hope that Dungey smokes them all and wins this thing!

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The Motovator wrote: 12:51am July 1, 2011

I always thought it was El Chupacabre not 'cabra, but oh well, I think that is a rockin' nickname and it would make a sweet butt patch. Come on Thor, I know you can do it. Way sick.

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Vash wrote: 12:51am July 1, 2011

Dungey struggles a bit in his lites career because he was tall and quite heavy for 250 bikes, but so efficient at big bikes in his 450 rookie years. Villopoto was so great in his lites years because he's lighter and can maneuver the 250 bikes well but kinda struggle a bit in his rookie year in 450 class. When Dungey and Villopoto will put the best efforts in their training, i think it will be a best match up in motocross. As far as results is concern, Dungey is a far off because of bike problems, other than that, they are pretty equal...

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Bud Red wrote: 2:53am July 1, 2011

Perhaps the fans will see what they have been waiting for this weekend at the best track of the outdoor series. And if Dungey, Reedy and Villo are all three at the front of the pack after the start, it could happen.

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codyw20 wrote: 2:06pm July 1, 2011

Good article Weeg, but it had nothing to do with a Thunder Valley Redux. I don't think you mentioned the race once unless it was in relation to the whole series. Can we get the Editor to figure out where these articles belong please.

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