Racer X Notebook: Toronto
Sunday, March 27, 2011 | 9:20 AM
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PrintThe Toronto race isn’t everyone’s favorite on the circuit but the Rogers Centre in downtown Toronto is a great venue, the hotel is right inside the dome and the dirt problems of the past are gone. On top of all that, the racing usually turns out pretty good and the crowd has grown each and every year, as the Canadians seem to be embracing supercross.
Lots of questions about where the Canadian riders were. It’s a long story as to why the locals don’t race but there was one who did sign up. Redemption Racing’s Josh Snider entered the 450 class on his Kawasaki but unfortunately for Josh, a lack of riding time as well as some bike problems kept him from making the night show.
If Canadian fans were desperate to attach themselves to someone out, there were a couple of riders with Canadian “roots”. Former Canadian MXDN member Dean Wilson was in the house and sure, Dean now has chosen to ride under his native flag of Scotland but he did begin his pro career in Canada as well as live there for almost a decade. If the whole MXDN thing upsets you and you needed someone else, well, there was New Yorker Bobby Kiniry racing. Kiniry has raced in Canada the last couple of years and is one of the friendlier riders on the circuit in any country.
Kiniry had a busy weekend as after the Toronto SX (where he did not make the main event due to some crashes) he was driving a couple of hours to go try his hand at Sno-Cross. His Canadian team also runs a sno-cross team and Bobby was going to give it a shot.
The track did have some rocks on it and many a rider was forced to put on underprotectors to, well, protect themselves from the projectiles. There were also handguards mounted and KTM rider Andrew Short even donned a full over the jersey protector!
Shorty running the full chest pro.
Matt Pavelek photo
There wasn’t too much different out there being done by the guys but along the end of the track a few riders (Stewart, Tedesco and Brayton) were quading out instead of the jump on/jump off. Tedesco told me that that line would not be the race line as when you landed, it took you too wide outside. And he turned out to be right.
Malcolm Stewart certainly has the speed to finish in the top five consistently, maybe even a podium guy but he can’t seem to stay off the ground. Early on in the series, Stewart was crashing quite a bit but he smoothed it out for a few races to do pretty well. The last two weeks have been rough on Mookie as he crashed out of both races.
Ryan Sipes is killing it in practices, he’s been the fastest guy more than a couple of times and although he has a win this year, there have to be times where he’s wondered “What if?”. In Toronto he and his team were upset over a move by Blake Wharton that they thought was pretty aggressive. After the race was over, Sipes rode over to the podium and had some words with Wharton.
One of the Honda guys pointed out to me that what Sipes did to Wharton at the opening round at Houston (where he made a pretty aggressive move late in the race costing both riders a shot at the box) deserved payback at some point and in Toronto, “I guess it was time,” said the source..
J-Star JDR KTM’s PJ Larsen had his best finish of the season as he ended up fourth on the night in a pretty lonely ride. After being forced to head down under to Australia in order to get a job last year, I’m sure Larsen will take it! He’s now sixth in the points and just nine back of Wharton for a top five position.
Gannon Audette had his best finish of the year as well and the rookie is figuring things out there on his DNA Shred Stix Star Racing Yamaha.
Gannon Audette (533) had a solid night with a career-best finish, but his teammate Ryan Sipes (25) didn't have such an easy time.
Matt Pavelek photo
James Stewart doesn’t like to practice all that much during the day, he once told me that he knows within five minutes of the first practice what everyone’s going to jump and what he’s going to need to do to win. He usually cruises in the third and final practice, but in Toronto he laid down one very fast lap to get the pole position. In the last practice Stewart put in two out of nine laps that were race pace which is about usual for him.
Honda’s Cole Seely has one more race in the factory truck and then it’s back to the Lucas Oil TLD Honda team to get ready for the rest of the west lites series. So far in three races, Seeley has gone 9-15-10 on Josh Grant’s CRF450.
Team San Manuel Yamaha’s Kyle Regal was in Toronto to hang out and do some sponsor obligations. Despite breaking his wrist just a month ago, Regal hopes to start riding this coming week with an eye toward returning to racing in Dallas.
Another rider hoping to be back in Dallas was Motoconcepts Yamaha’s Tommy Hahn. Hahn’s teammate Kyle Chisholm looks to be coming back for the outdoors as he is still recovering from his bad crash at Houston.
Nick Wey continues to get better and in Toronto, Wey ran up front for a long time before settling for sixth. Wey tested some new fork settings that seems to be agreeing with him as he starts to defend his 2010 Canadian Supercross championship.
Wey’s teammate Austin Stroupe went down about halfway into the main event and looked to have the wind knocked out of him. It was bad enough that Stroupe was forced to DNF the main.
Also DNF’ing was Mike Alessi. When I caught up to the Mike and his father Tony as they were leaving the track, Tony told me that the “motor broke” and they were freezing and had to go.
Alessi’s teammate Andrew Short had some sort of fuel related problem in the heat race and was unable to finish. He was forced to go to the LCQ to make the main and he had a battle in there with Jason Thomas and Fabien Izoird.
Ryan Dungey has nine podiums in twelve races for the most times on the box in the 450 class. Chad Reed and Ryan Villopoto are tied with eight each while James Stewart has seven.
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JS7 dirty block pass on RV like a total novice take out. Now I don't care if JS7 crashes his brains out the rest of the season. Eff'em.
hey Stewey Fans, Was James' take-out of Villipoto A "dirty" move?? Kinda looked like Reeds "dirty" move on your boy JS7. Just curious. LMAO!!!!
@Don .... Dirty Block pass? he took the inside position and got out of the corner at the same time as RV2, RV2 had the entire outside of the corner and straightaway to avoid the hit, definitely not as bad as reed on stewart
RV must be pretty angry huh?? Or was it his fault for being in the FMOTP's way? LOL!!!!!
@bigtireguy ... yeah except stewart didnt cut the entire corner to go for RV2 he did what he had to, to make a pass, both riders were down and needed to make up a bunch of postions
just like JS7 could have avoided Reed. no diffrent there Scottie
dirty is dirty, didn't need to cut him like that. Reeds move was dirty, not denying it. Your boy Stewart i just as dirty.
sorry, Is just as dirty
STAY TUNED. JS7 2011 CHAMP!!!!!
typical Stewart fans.... Its OK when he does it, but not when it happens to him!!!! He is the only one ENTITLED to be aggressive
Scottie I don't care about Reeds dirty move...dirty is dirty and besides I'm talking about RV, what does Reed have to do with anything? This is between JS7 & RV. Look at that pass again he looked totally deformed like he "goon rode" into him.
I think all sports should be officiated like Hockey. Play on...
I said it a year ago and will say it again; James will never win another championship but look at the entertainment he's provided. So what if his resume is going to be well short of his talent level, at least we were entertained by James Stewart Entertainment, and isn't that the point anyway.
Looked like a classic "Supercross" pass that RJ, Mcgrath, Chad Reed and many others have exicuted 1000's of times "cleanly" in the past 20 years, mostly because the guy getting passed ceded the spot and wisely slowed to let them clear the corner. This crash looked to me like RV didn't want to get passed by " that" guy so he took 'em both down by staying on the gas, same as James did to Reed earlier this season. Brilliant!
I'm going to laugh myself silly if dungey wins this championship with all the idiots hating on him
Yes it was a dirty move, he took him down period. All the Stewie fans wont have enough balls to admit it, but it was dirty. Stewie just put Reed into the points lead, hope all the Stewie fans like that. that move was the same as the Reed oin Stewie move. I said it was dirty, and so was this one.
Right on Dad...
Quote of the day by bigtireguy: "He is the only one ENTITLED to be aggressive"
Word of the day: ENTITLED
Thank you for that gem, bigtireguy. Accurate. I couldn't agree more.
;-)
My race recap:
RD - It looked like it was the first time he ever lead a main event. He appeared to be a little on the edge out there and almost went down a few times and seemed a bit frantic...but a win is a win and he needed it..... He was sweating on the podium like he just outran a serial killer and looked surprised....insert big Dungey exhale
RV2 & JS7 - I don't think it was as "dirty" like Reeds pass at ATL, but an aggressive move that cost them both unfortunately as JS7 went underneath him and RV2 cut down. It wasn't nearly as blatant as Reed vs JS7......JS7 tucked the front wheel in the sand at the start and that cost himself the win again...otherwise JS7 would have been on top of the podium no question. Watching the heat race, he was smooth and fast...but 4th is 4th and that beats a backboard.
Reed - Looked like Reed, nothing to impressive....His crash in the heat was neat.....If he pulls this off I will certainly give him props...but he is still a doosh bag with those lame ass ear rings....take them out when you race EZ-Reed...
Bel Ray add next to the column.... ATTN REED: move your arm we cant see Lars!! and who is that old man who looks drunk????
Did you guys even watch the race?!?!? I am the biggest stewart hater there is but even I can see that he tried to take the inside line and poto cut down early. It was a complete racing incident. Look at the line potot was in, the rut takes him outside in the turn and he cuts down not knowing stewart was going to be there. It was a legitimate pass attempt and a fluke that they collided. You guys crack me up. And way to take the high rode BIG TIRE GUY. You hate how everyone gets on your riders but dont hesitate when you think stewart did somthine wrong.
@What?!?! You are saying you're a Stewie hater...but you're really not just to justify his dirty take out move that took them BOTH down...LOL nice try though cause if you were a REAL hater,you would hate it..end of story.
Holy Tuff Blox Malcolm!!
high rode? My riders? Think? nope, I know he did something wrong!! Nice try there "What?!?!?"
I think any other rider on the track would have done that to villopoto, given his line choice going into the corner, and with someone right on him. Villopoto even used the move himself, on cole seely. That was just a weird turn, with all those ruts going in different directions.
I don't think stewarts move on villopoto, was anything like reeds move on stewart. If it's true that stewart 'left the door open' in atlanta, then villopoto didn't even have a fricken door, just an empty frame.
@Don Read your comment again. lol You bassicaly said If you don't like something or someone, it is no longer acceptable, according to you, to speak honestly about a situation if it is not in favor of said someone. lol That is some of the most elementary type of logic I have ever heard.
@big tire guy Sorry man, I didn't realize you were omniscient
Matthes is a racist because he refuses to talk about how Stewart intentionally dropped Ryan in that corner.
I wish i had those lame-ass earrings, i could pay off my house !
Stewart wouldn't talk after the race, because it was too cold, and actually told a bunch of Canadians to "get out of here so we can leave." But, before that he said he was going to make sure Chad eats $&!% in Dallas. He thinks Byrner and a bunch of guys are trying to get him on the track.
"what!?!?ever" I forgive you.. Glad you recognise!!!
Take it easy on JS7 guys. he's just doin what he can o win the championship. Besides he probably didnt expect RV2 to cut the corner early. If RV2 didnt do that there would have been a nice non-contact, clean block pass. And if RV2 wasnt goin so slow he wouldnt have had to make that pass, But then again Stewart is the fastest rider out there
Hey "fattireguy"......sorry big man......that isn't me!! Glad i'm always on your mind though!!
Oh, and he who always corrects others spelling on here (biggietireguy).....it's recognize...not recognise!!
What Sipes did to Wharton in Houston is a lil different. Two laps to go faster rider was trying to get by and both went down. Difference is Wharton had an easy 3 feet to the tuff blocks in Houston. How much room did the slower rider Wharton give Sipes this weekend Matthes? I will guess the DNA/Shred Stix Team will have a different opinion. Look at about the 31-35 sec mark
http://www.thecompanystore.com/Horses-Percale-Bedding/30052-ps,default,pd.html?start=6&cgid=ck-bedroom-bedding-girls-sheets-blankets
wrong link haha.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sipes+wharton+toronto&aq=f
It was Barcia that took Sipes down in the main, not Wharton.
@Don wrote: "
JS7 dirty block pass on RV like a total novice take out. Now I don't care if JS7 crashes his brains out the rest of the season. Eff'em."
RV2 used that EXACT SAME MOVE on RD5 during last years SX series, but now it's worng or dirty because JS7 used it on RV2 .... You gotta be kidding me, right ???? People were cheering when Reed pulled that EXACT SAME move on JS7.
At least JS7 was headed in thei right direction, Reed had no chance of making that turn.
BTW RV2 used that same EXACT move on Cole Seeley towards the end of the race. Yep RV2 is a dirty too then ...
My mistake, it was Wharton that cleaned out Sipes.
@bigtireguy wrote: "
hey Stewey Fans, Was James' take-out of Villipoto A "dirty" move?? Kinda looked like Reeds "dirty" move on your boy JS7. Just curious. LMAO!!!! "
And it looks EXACTLY the same "DIRTY" move that RV2 pulled on RD5 during last years SX series ... As a matter of fact RV2 used that same "DIRTY" move on Cole Seeley... You haters aren't very consistent are you ???
nice catch "whatever"!! You caught that!! Funny as hell huh?? I am dying to hear your take on the JS/RV incident. Why are you so quiet??
Stewie and Reed ........... Vegas .....
@skettie-ohs wrote:
"Matthes is a racist because he refuses to talk about how Stewart intentionally dropped Ryan in that corner."
But it's OK for RV2 to use that EXACT same move ???? RV2 used that EXACT same move on RD5 during last years SX series, and he used it against Cole Seeley towards the end of last nights race...
Why DIDN'T RV2 just shut off like Reed said of Stewart ????
then why all the hate towards Reed? If everybody does it, why where you so pissed at Reed? Is it because it happened to your boy James???
Still continuing to hate.......
But if James does it. It becomes ok to do it......
you Stewie fans play a pretty good victim
The series is heating up its hard to say because this championship has been sooo unpredictable but i think reed is going to get this championship. He is goin to finish on the podium every round from here on out and take it.. unless spewart cleans him out again...
Stewart fans are just like him...they loose there heads when he doesn't win. Finally all of them are saying Reed's pass was a BLOCK pass, of course they are because there nut case has pulled the same move and now they all have to justify it to make Stewart look as smart and as fast as he really is. haha...as for all the Dungey fans give me a break the dude looked like he just won his first Amatuer event on the podium.....out of gas!!!
WOW......lots of folks fired up this week.... Anyone notice Wilson changed his red gloves this week ???
JS7 and Villomoto incident was "just racing"..why? Cause they race!!...Neither one of them hangs back and just collects what comes....they want to win....championship is a championship.....being the best is being the best...sometimes the best don't win..." even the losers, get lucky sometimes" Tom Petty style .....just foolin....lets go Vegas!!
Yes, I recall RV knocking Seeley down and falling himself in the process??? When did that happen if it was "the exact same move". Making contact is one thing, when it is a torpedo move that's another. James is making desperation passes on lap 3? Is that what champions do? I thought I had seen it all, and certainly heard it all, but the Stewfans take it to a new level time and time again. Is that how you want your guy to win? Is that considered "straight up"?! Too freaking funny. Can't wait to see RV absolutely crush James in those first 4 Nationals. The cartwheeling should be fantastic as James tries to keep pace.......with Dungey in 2nd.
I like a poster who includes u-tubes with his side of the story. But, in that u-tube, Jeff Emig thought sipes pulled a bad move on wharton. What happened last nite, wasn't neccessary, it was just payback, and what better time to do it, than when stealing the lead away.
What!?!?! wrote-
@Don Read your comment again. lol You bassicaly said If you don't like something or someone, it is no longer acceptable, according to you, to speak honestly about a situation if it is not in favor of said someone. lol That is some of the most elementary type of logic I have ever heard.
Ummm WHAT!? First... punctuations please!!! and second; I need 2 paragraphs to untangle what you just said.
BKR, why do you think that stewart will have so much trouble with villopoto outdoors ? I am just wondering why you feel that way ? I am hoping that if stewart loses this sx rtitle, it will motivate him to get out there and run the whole thing.
If villopoto really 'crushes him' like you say he will, I will be a believer too.
Stewart is a fool, if he doesn't spend his money, and get out there this summer. I think that his pride is worth more to him, than the fancy cars and bling bling.
Just watched the RV hit in slow mo about 10 times. ANYONE that can claim that RV cut down into Stewart should be ashamed of themselves. Stewart was completely brake sliding INTO RV. RV was following the groove in the turn and doesn't even see Stewart until the last second. That is not cutting down when you are following the same groove that's been worn in by everyone else. RV is roosting because that's what you normally do exiting a turn. How is Stewart going to pass someone with the rear brake locked up anyway? Is that the new fast way to pass? Further, what leg did RV break last year? Stewart came in hard enough to injure and with RV's leg extended for the turn it was even more possible. On top of that, RV's hand ALMOST goes into James chain/sprocket area. Imagine if THAT happened. "Just a racing incident" (In the Monty Python just a fleshwound manner). Un freaking believable.
Don't be so sure that the outdoors is going to be a "crushing" B-KR...let's just wait and see!! Yeah, "biggie" that is some high dollar comedy there my friend....don't quit your day job dude!! As far as the "incident"?? I'm not being quiet man, but i don't recall you at ANY point after Atlanta, calling Reeds move dirty!!! All you did was applaud him heavily for pulling it.....tell me where you said otherwise if i am wrong, but i do remember you being pretty overjoyed with what went down, so don't pull some sort of equality BS out of your butt like you think they were both equally dirty...i'm not buying it. I will definitely say that i don't believe it was a "smart" move (bd's terminology on Reeds move too) on Stewarts part, but i honestly do not believe in any way that it was some sort of intentional take-out!!
The pass that James Stewart made on Ryan Villopoto was the same pass that Chad Reed made on James Stewart. Neither passes were dirty and the problem with the passes is that they person being passed does not let off the gas in the corner. Chad Reed and Ryan Dungey let off the gas, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto do not.
The bias is so obvious right now between James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto fans right now. "James took out Ryan and it was a dirty pass" or "Chad took out James it was a dirty pass." Same exact passes.
I will say though, Chad Reed is my favorite racer and I admit that James left more room for Ryan on his pass than Chad left for James on his pass.
James cut into Chad at Atlanta...
Ryan cut into James at Toronto...
Ryan Villopoto fans and James Stewart fans please leave your bias out of this
By the way great rides for Ryan Dungey and Chad Reed! Two classy athletes right there. I hope they finish 1st and 2nd in points this year.
Hey B-KR.....the things you say make sense, but they also apply nearly exactly to the Reed/Stewart incident........do you call that one the same way??
He just won't be able to keep up with RV. I think this because RV is a complete animal outdoors and only injury has prevented him from winning the last 2 450 titles going away. This year he has upped his game way further than where he was at. Unless he gets hurt again before the last MX round, RV winning that title is as safe a bet as I can think of in the MX world.....well just after Stewart crashing at some point. THAT is the safest bet. It is unfortunate that even though we now have such a stacked field, RV is ridiculous outside. Bad start, good start, it won't matter. With 30+2, he will just keep coming.
What is everyone's take on this pass from when Ryan Villopoto took out Ryan Dungey?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLVdcnu11GY
I remember everyone said this pass was just "racing" but then Reed's pass on James was "dirty" and James' pass on Ryan was "dirty."
What has rv done outdoors on a 450, that you are so impressed with?
Reed was a last lap desperation move. Stewart knew he was in a death battle for the lead with Reed. He left the door open for such a move. RV was in mid pack on the 3rd lap and wasn't expecting such a move from anyone last night. Last lap is a different story. The same exact move gets a bit of leeway on the last lap. On the 3rd lap it is an ill-advised pile of donky doo doo. I'm still not a fan of the move Reed pulled, but if not for James leaving it open to him he couldn't have done it. If he had done that same thing on the 3rd lap, I'd feel the same way as today and think James got screwed like RV did.
Dungey/rv, reed/stewart, rv/stewart, all 3 are completely different imo. Dungey would have been cleaned out, no matter what he did. Reed cut across the inside of the turn, and was traveling the wrong direction on the track, and stewart was already outside, with no where to go, except off the track. Neither one of those incidents, replicates what happened last nite in toronto.
Bigtireguy...why don't you go polish Reeds earring or something!! Racing Incident, two guys going for the same line...happens every week. Oh I forgot you're some kind of expert right.??
Trick, you do see how RV has been fast inside this year, right? Now realize he has ALWAYS been much better outside in longer races when endurance matters. On top of that, he is in ridiculous condition this year. While winning his 3 MX titles, I think he only got 1 SX title in 3 tries. If no injury, I think he will make it a boring chase this summer.
I'm an RV guy and I thought what he did to Dungey last year was COMPLETELY a dirty move. It was around halfway in the race and he seemed faster. Again, if he tried that last lap, much easier to tolerate. On lap 10 it is dirty and stupid to boot.
"whatever". I was in fact happy to see Reed pull that move on James, Stupid as it was, it proved to me that he was not going to be passive anymore. Clean or dirty, I'm leaning towards dirty, but it was for the win, not 9Th place or whatever. Now, I agree with B-KR and You, It was not intentional, just sloppy and careless. And costly for both, but 100% James fault.
"trick" Really......I honestly think a block pass is a block pass stop trying to make excuses to make your guy look good. I don't care for Stewart but if you think he didn't do that on purpose then you have never raced before....let alone with millions of dollars on the line. It was a smart move because it is was a legal move just like CR on Bubbles and RV on RD. The only difference here is Stewart did it on lap three where the others were done in the last three laps, which proves your boy cant keep it together.....Enjoy youtube....not Utube....and the races to come....you TARD!!!
Well if it was a dirty move then we'll see a slap on the wrist from the ama as we have in the past. Don't hold your breathe it was racing and why the hell would James wanna take himself out?? You all need your eyes checked, that's just racing.
BKR, i think rv is a great rider, and he is my favorite, personality wise. But, maybe you have forgotten what stewart can do outdoors. He is better at outdoors than at sx also, same as rv. He has 33 races on a 450 outdoors, and 12 of them are against r/c. So far, villopoto has only 1. Dungey has far more experience on a 450 outdoors than rv. Also, none of stewarts title ending crashes are from outdoors, they are all from sx (collarbone, arm, wrist) The only title ending injury he has incurred outdoors, was the rock at washougal, which could have happened to anybody. I think stewart will be better than you suspect, especially if he loses this sx title. A fire will be lit under his ass, so to speak. No matter what happens, it is going to be GREAT !
@don Punctuation? That old attack is the Last act of a desperate man with nothing intelligent to say in my opinion. Or did you mean that you need me to walk you through it. Because if there is anything that we learned from your last comment, it's that you reek of ignorance and hate. There are no character limits on here so 2 paragraphs shouldn't restrict you.
James has nothing to feel bad about, he has already secured his place in the AMA hall of fame for every title or record he has held or won. He has won every championship that a motocrosser can win in the US and MX des Nations. Not too bad of resume I'd say. He will sleep at nite knowing that he pushes the limits, just as Reed will sleep at nite knowing he can't beat James speed straight up.
"Trick" Its you again, are you workin on trying to be "COOL" I sure hope the fire that is lit under his ass is like the one he was supposed to get when Reed BLOCK passed him in Atlanta....we have all seen how that has gone. And why in the hell are you looking to the OUTDOORS already when your boy is so good. Or is it "COOL" to through in the towel when you can't keep it on two wheels.
@bmaw, stewart is not my GUY or my BOY. And, yes I have raced before, even in a supercross race once, inside the pontiac silverdome. Now you have gotten verbally abusive with me twice. you have called me a 'child' and a 'tard'. Congratulations, you have just been added to my "do not read" list. Say whatever you want from now on, because i wont be reading it. You are not worth my time.
WOW another person giving up on there boy!!! Nice support "Keepitreal" jump on the RD bandwagon i hear that is coming. My guess is that you were already there last year. Amazing
I agree Trick.....the outdoors will be great, just as i believe the rest of this supercross season will be!! Stewart should have saved that move for Reed and not RV.....Reed still has one coming from him. All of these top 5 guys need wins from here on out, Reed's lead is obviously not big enough for him to settle for anything less than wins, and the rest of the guys all need to push for the same thing...this will be great!! I love how everybody STILL makes Stewarts move somehow a little less legitimate because it wasn't at the end of the race....BS.....at this point of the series and with the points the way they are....every lap of every race from here on out is the equivalent of the "last lap"....in my opinion!! It's all on the line now!!
Actually he is already past the career length of most Pros, does he really have anything to prove to you haters? I haven't seen Reed beating James and RV by 20 seconds in an 8 lap heat race. So what the guys probably not gonna win the title but he'll sleep at nite knowing he's still faster!!
"The pass that James Stewart made on Ryan Villopoto was the same pass that Chad Reed made on James Stewart. Neither passes were dirty and the problem with the passes is that they person being passed does not let off the gas in the corner. Chad Reed and Ryan Dungey let off the gas, James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto do not.
The bias is so obvious right now between James Stewart and Ryan Villopoto fans right now. "James took out Ryan and it was a dirty pass" or "Chad took out James it was a dirty pass." Same exact passes.
I will say though, Chad Reed is my favorite racer and I admit that James left more room for Ryan on his pass than Chad left for James on his pass.
James cut into Chad at Atlanta...
Ryan cut into James at Toronto...
Ryan Villopoto fans and James Stewart fans please leave your bias out of this
By the way great rides for Ryan Dungey and Chad Reed! Two classy athletes right there. I hope they finish 1st and 2nd in points this year."
This^. +1. By the way, does everyone remember when Ryan Villopoto took out Ryan Dungey at St Louis last season? If I remember correctly everyone said that it was just racing but then what Reed and Stewart did was dirty/uncalled for/(insert bias comment here). Villopoto's pass on Dungey was WAY worse than Reed's pass on Stewart and Stewart's pass on Ryan. Can't forget Villopoto admitting he took out Mike Alessi, no one talks about that! Another dirty move...
Remember these videos? If you say what Reed and Stewart did was dirty then you have to say what Villopoto did was worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLVdcnu11GY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKxpo6odCCs
REALLY, it's a message board......i'm sorry if i hurt your feeling. Hope we can have dinner and a drink sometime and make-up! Sorry bud.
Go away "bmaw"....smart-ass!!
dinner and drinks.....funny stuff!!!!
Bubbles has been taking people out all season long and nobody says anything to him. It`s funny how he has everyone kissing his ass no matter what he does.
You all are soo touchy, no need to get you're panties all in a bunch over SX. You complain about it being boring when James is 29 seconds out front, you complain when he crashes because the FMOTP shouldn't crash. Starting to see a pattern here.
"whatever" don't let me get in your head!!! haha It's a message board, why would i go away....because im saying it how it is. "Stewart should have saved that one for CR".....don't you think Bubbles should be thinking of holeshot and checking out....not driving his front wheel into RV to salvage some points. If the guy would race smart and know when to let off, he would not be tied with Reed with supercross titles he would be close to the five that RC has....Keep looking to the outdoors and we will go from there! Tell "Trick" hello......
Lost by 2 points to RC in 06, WON 07, hurt in 08, WON in 09, hurt in 10. So if James does not win this one it will be his first lost season since 06. Not too shabby if you ask me. Remember Mc on a Suzuki...people said he'd never win again. He followed up that season with 3 more titles!!
" 5 supercross titles" I have respect for the guy for being so fast on a bike, you look at what Mechanix1981 posted and its because he would not let off the gas! Respect for him not so much for some of his fans.
you are definitely NOT in my head "bmaw"........not at all....see ya here for the outdoors, buddy!!
Right on Buddy!!!! I will put it on the calendar, if Stewart gets another W. i'm sure we will talk soone, have a good one.
I gave up on being a Stewart fan several years ago....it was just to disappointing rooting for him. Glad I made the switch cause with all his talent he ought to be winning every race but is not even close to that.
STEWART STEWART STEWART.....may not win the title, fastest guy out there when he doesn't crash. FMOTP well atleast we will never mistake Reed for that nickname
Same amount of supercross titles and just as many race wins.......Reed will be in this sport much longer then STEWART STEWART STEWART. I don't even like the guy and its amazing to see all his fans say there is no way to win the title now, lets move to outdoors. Do any of his fans know REED was down more points two weeks ago and is now the points leader....Stewart your fans really are amazing. Go get them 22.
Whose giving up on Stewart? I just say he really has nothing to prove, one more trophy on the mantle. Let's see, Reeds take out move in ATL and Byrne bumping him last week these points could be a lot different. Last full outdoor season he won every moto... oh wait I'm sure he must have been cheating!
My word....where have all the RV fans gone???? Must all be getting their eyes checked after that collision at the back of the pack with no gain for either of them.
Who said anything about "cheating"... and nothing to prove...are you serious the guy is 'the fastest man on the planet" says Ralph...and a professional racer. I'm going to let you read your comment again and let it sink in..........................wait for it..............are you freaking serious you think he goes and grenade's himself just for laughs....I have know heard everything!!! By the way Byrner was behind, he didn't make James " I have nothing to prove " Stewart crash.
haha its funny how evrywun is like WOW when a pro runs an full on chest pro. its just so dirty covering up all those sponsor logos haha!
Same old Stewart, the guy is just wreckless. For as much experience as he has, he continues to put himself and others in a bad spot. It was lap 3!!!! No reason to be that aggressive, that early. He may himself have been able to get closer to first and he certainly hurt Villopoto's chances by sending him to the mechanics area. James is wreckless and it is the very reason he only won 1 of the 4 titles he competed for against RC. RC raced like a seasoned pro, James is actually regressing in the smarts category as a racer. I am pulling for RV2 100% and after he wins the championship he can look squarely at this ride and the finish he had, to salvage thanks to one JS7. The guy seems to have no regard for his racing peers. I definitely think Reeds move on Stewart was much worse and the dirtiest move of the year but Reed doesn't go around jumping on people especially lappers that he is several seconds a lap faster than. I don't even like Reed but Stewart is quickly becoming everyones enemy out there. Go POTO! Great ride Dungey!
@whatever, the best part about it, is that the intensity will only get stronger and stronger, with each passing race. If the points stay this tight for the next few, vegas is going to be one for the ages. Remember glen helen 2007 ?
UH! OH! shhhh hear he comes, DUNGEY IS GONNA SNEAK IN HEAR AND TAKE HIS SECOND TITLE IN AS MANY YEARS! OOHHH AINT THAT GONNA BURN SOME ARSES! WOOOOOO!! I LOVE THIS SHIIZZZ!!! Seriously, what a great season we truely are the lucky ones. As a rider I am in awe of what these guys can do. I am a fan of every guy on that starting line.( weeeeell, maybe not so much #800, not sure why. just is what it is.) I was pullin for RD to get a win. The guy just needed some validation. And he got it. But I won't be convinced until he TAKES a pass.(notice I didn't say "MAKE" ) He needs to do what every other winner has done this season, he needs to run in there strong, stand somebody up and TAKE a position from one of the other "Top Five". Who woulda thought that Reed would be leading the points this late, not me. Who is truley suprised that the Stewart boys can't keep it up right, again, not me. You know RV has nevr made it through a full SX season in the big class. And even tho I don't think he can take the title, good ol' Trey is going to be take some much needed points down the stretch. Way I see it CR, TC and RD have all got Mother MO workin for 'em comin' down the stretch. love it LOVE IT!!
@whatever, yeah i agree, that just because it's the last lap, it doesn't give you a free pass to get dirty. If it is dirty on lap 3, then it is dirty anytime (unless it's payback time of course) . Last week, canard could have punted reed into the 3rd row, if he wanted to. Very aggressive, but clean. Seriously, i could care less either way, it's all entertainment to me. I watched hannah and howerton bang off of each other 'live', this stuff doesn't even impress me. The only difference was, that hannah and howerton were not on television, so that people could rant and rave all day about it, on message boards.
@lawlz, I totally agree about villopoto and dungey, it was blatant. But, i think that mikey 800 got his revenge in phoenix 2009. That outdoor video is from the 2006 lites outdoor's. Those two guys had incidents, dating back to the amatuer days.
2009 phoenix
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25kKDQbRIUg&feature=related
2006 outdoors
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKxpo6odCCs
@trick, yeah I remember both of those and I remember hearing stuff about them in the ametuers as well. Mikey did get his revenge but too bad he didn't beat Villopoto. I'm hoping Alessi does well in motocross this year. I like Reed and Dungey but I would like to see Alessi finally win a championship.
Also, I was just giving examples of what Villopoto has done because there are some posters saying that Reed's pass on Stewart was 'dirty' and that Stewart's pass on Villopoto was 'dirty' (in which I think Stewart cut into Reed and then Villopoto cut into Stewart, both riders left the other person room and I think Stewart left more room for Villopoto then Reed did for Stewart) but then those same posters said Villopoto's pass on Dungey was 'racing'. Just a lot of bias on the topic lol.
@bigtireguy .... Shut your bigmouthguy. Stewart will own Reed any day of the week just like 09.
For some reason a few of the front runners have hit the panic button and gone into the WWF mode. It is like watching a hockey game now, you just wait for someone to throw it down. Both classes have some riders worried about their ego or competition instead of racing their own race. JS7 and RV taking one another out while back in the pack? Give us a break fellows get over it and ride. Ya'lI keep it up and Dungey will have that big number 1 again. I will have to take up a bit for Wharton, on his Sipes move. If you watch the race, Wharton came into the middle line of the corner but the bike drifted to the out side and Sipes was there and instead of doing what Wharton has done for years, let off the gas and not hit the other guy, he pinned it and gave Sipes alittle kiss. Wharton has been too nice of a racer these past years, other riders knew he would back off, so he was easy pick'n for a take out move. Maybe he realized it's time to get strapped in and cowboy up ! This season has turned into Super circus instead of supercross series. I'm ready for the outdoors where the kids have some space and they can let the throttle do the talking instead of trying to block pass one another. I hope there are still a few healthy enough to race by that time.
TC Keep it up !!! You are doing great !!!! See ya in Dallas...
Did anybody see RV2 made the same pass in the same section as stewie did to him. I'm sure he'll say his was clean and stewie's wasn;t.
Look at how Stewart has split up the entire motocross community!
With his typical takeout moves, he might win the 450 ENTITLEMENT!
I love Supercross. I win!
MY observations : 1st God I love this forum, its clear to me that some on here are very young and some very irratioal but really a lot of us are just true fans and this is a great outlet.
The Stewart situation for me is really a little sad ,I was a huge fan of his for years because he displayed such good sportsmanship in spite of some truelly shitty things that have been said and done. We all have to love watching this guy ride if we are riders (I assume most of us are) I have always and still do love his desire to win (I have broken 12 bones trying to win) I have lost some of my enthusiasm for him for several reasons most is attitude and lack of riding outdoors and pulling off and not racing when he couldn't win (as stated by him) the biggest thing that has chilled me out about him is his hitting and injuring more guys than any other rider I can think of. If you hurt yourself its one thing but care and respect others enough to not hurt them. I wish he would take more care for himself and others, I fear its going to do him in.
I have watched his move on RV in Toronto many times and it is clear to me he intended to take out RV, he was looking at him until impact and he is the only one that knew what he was going to do, I don't believe RV saw him until too late. Stewart was not faster than RV he had to cut the corner to get to him. RV had actaully passed him earlier.To date this season JS has not passed RV in a race. I don't mind rubbin is racing, BUT I DON'T like take out moves at all. Many times two riders have gone down hitting each other with no planned take out, this was planned in my opionion. RV is the most dangerous opponent to JS right not and this was clearly to JS advantage, I was bummed it broke his front brake lever and think payback would have been quick had it not broke.
Guys I think its on and I think it will come down to VEGAS between RV and JS !!!! I hated seeing Malcom hit the triple like that, hope he is ok. I LOVE THIS SEASON
@David Langford wrote:
" I have watched his move on RV in Toronto many times and it is clear to me he intended to take out RV, he was looking at him until impact and he is the only one that knew what he was going to do, I don't believe RV saw him until too late."
RV2 used that EXACT same move on RD5 during last years SX series, and he used it against Cole Seeley towards the end of Saturday nights race... Why isn't anyone chiding RV2 for using the same moves ????
As a matter of fact RV2 took both of them down.
Reed pulled the same move on JS and everybody said why didn't JS just shut off ??? Reed went in there with the same intention, cutting off the exit line, and it doesn't matter if it's the first lap or the last lap, it's the final...
Why would JS7 pull a move that could and did take himself out also. Wake up people it was a racing incident and happens every weekend.
"Ryan Dungey has nine podiums in twelve races for the most times on the box in the 450 class' maybe this is the secret formula?
On a side note Short started way outside on a very long start straight and the 350 did not get pulled at all. He came cose to getting the start.
And the JS/RV deal was a racing incident for sure IMO. I am pulling for RV big time and still think it was just racing. JS srewed himself in turn 2, He had the holeshot and messed up turn 2. He had the win in the bag at that point IMO.
@ keepinitreal I agree... this is racing, get over the "dirty" crap, it happens! Wait til Hansen and Barcia are in the 450 class. Tyler Evans is probably lovin this! Same with all the other old school riders who rode this way every day! I love it!
You all are just so upset that Stewart IS faster than your boys! Reeds used to having titles dropped in his lap when the fast guys have misfortunes. Good for him, Dungey I hope makes it interesting, Where's all the RV fans? Man you were like raging wolves 3 weeks ago.
Not Again-
If you don't like the column that is written, then don't read it. Instead of trashing someone on a message board, simply don't read his articles. Just like television, if you don't like the program, then turn it off, simple as that. By posting the comments you did, validates your lack of maturity and nullifies any valid comments you might have had.
HAHAHA Rubbing is racing folks! If you don't want to get passed, don't leave the door open, simple basic racing. Of course the old school guys get it, the young kids, not so much...love the silly banter. Hey Matthes, maybe a little brush up article on some of the most "aggressive" riders going back a little ways... RJ, Cooper, JoJo, Rollerball, Barnett, Hannah, Bradshaw, Chicken... Emig and Henry even used to bang it up good in the 125's
There are so many lost souls out there. I read these posts that just drip with people's opinions and wonder what freaking races they are watching. Contact is fine. Chicken vs. Bradshaw was complete idiocy, oh and by the way cost Damon a SX title and probably ruined his career. Wonder where he would have gone if he got that title? As for the others, agressive moves are great, take outs are not. Emig and Henry raced as clean AND agressively as anyone. Watch RJ vs. Bailey Anahiem 1986. Tons of contact, but a completely clean race in which either could have put the guy down at almost any time and been done with the battle. I will never understand this idea that great racing is knocking someone down. The best races of all time are those where two guys (or more) went at it for the whole race and never knocked each other down. My favorite races are those where I battled with someone lap after lap, with clean agressive moves. Do some people cherish those races where they knocked a guy down and never saw him again? If rubbing was racing, they'd call it rubbing. It's called racing. The demolition derbys are named appropriately as that is the object of the event. Demolish the other cars. I say make a style of racing called rubbing, and have at it. You mental midgets that love to see take outs can watch a bunch of beer drinking morons on mopeds rub each other. Otherwise, can we stick to racing? We're lucky RV wasn't injured with either a broken leg or his hand getting caught in James' rear sprocket. His career would have been over if his fingers all got removed. But hey as long as some of you get to see "rubbing". Go find a massage video if that's what floats your boat.
before reading this I really thought ralph sheheen was the dumbest person alive, good thing for ole ralph he's not even close!
When it's all said and done, The Best will have WON.
BUT WHAT IF...
BUT IF HE HAD JUST...
BUT IF ONLY...
BUT IF HE HAD NOT...
But 'IF' Nothing..., pathetic explanations.
Stop defending riders with your lame excuses.
Hindsight is always 20/20; it doesn't matter one bit.
It's the rider who has prepared himself the best for battle...
It's the rider who makes the least amount of on-track errors...
It's the rider who manages his season with the utmost consistency...
It's the rider who is focused on what HE can do; not what OTHERS might do.
He alone will stand on top of the podium when it ends in Las Vegas.
When you crash yourself and crash others, everybody looses.
Once it goes down, it doesn't matter who's fault it was...
You prepare for the worst and you hope for the best.
It's the rider who WINs; that's all that matters here.
Just check all the record books; they silence the critics.
SUPERCROSS RACING is a MAN's SPORT of the highest order.
Finishing a moto in one-piece is the only gift anyone ever receives.
Congratulations to the winners, DEAN WILSON and RYAN DUNGEY...
The best SUPERCROSS Riders in TORONTO on Saturday, March 26, 2011.
The stewart villipoto crash was IDENTICAL to phoenix last year...
bkh - i would never watch 'rubbing'. ur gay. they race on a tight track with minimal passing room, contact is GOING to be made and people are going to crash. it happens. if you dont want to see this then gtfo...gtfo