Racer X Race Report: Atlanta
Sunday, February 27, 2011 | 12:05 PM
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PrintBack about 20 years ago, Atlanta, Georgia hosted one of the greatest supercross races of all time, and the old school guys like to go on and on about it. Tonight Atlanta hosted another classic, and this one was definitely old school in its own way, because it ended with James Stewart and Chad Reed down on the ground, in a heap, battling for the win and bringing the drama. Just like old times.
The results column makes this one look totally new school, as Monster Energy Kawasaki’s Ryan Villopoto won the race and Rockstar Makita Suzuki’s Ryan Dungey took second. Two Two Motorsports Bel-Ray Racing's Reed was third and Stewart fourth on his San Manuel/Red Bull Yamaha. Villopoto extends his season point lead from three to twelve over Stewart. But make no mistake, Stewart and Reed were the two fastest men on this night.
Reed and Stewart battled close, but clean, until the last lap.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Stewart nailed the holeshot on his San Manuel Red Bull Yamaha, and Reed got out right behind him and started applying pressure. Reed, powered by his victory last week in San Diego, was riding confident and not letting Stewart get too far out, and then on lap three, Stewart made a mistake and lost the back end of his bike and slid out. Reed capitalized and took the lead, while Trey Canard stood third on his American Honda Racing bike. Then Canard, winner of the race in Houston two weeks ago, crashed, putting Villopoto and Dungey into third and fourth. But the two Ryans could not quite get into the battle with the duo of two-time SX Champions up front, as Villopoto raced about three seconds behind Reed and Stewart, while also distancing himself about the same amount from Dungey.
The battle up front went on and on, and the massive Atlanta crowd of 65,517 went crazy. Stewart would make a mistake, then close back in, then make another mistake and let Reed pull it back out. Stewart was making up major time in a right hand 90 degree turn, but then he made a huge bobble in that section and handed Reed a gap of about 2.5 seconds with just four laps to go. Reed seemed to have it in hand, but then, in the same corner where Stewart bobbled, he made a mistake of his own, getting caught on the wrong side of lapped rider Chris Blose.
Reed won last weekend's race in the slop, but his speed on a dry Atlanta track was just as impressive.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Reed admitted that it was his fault for trying to pass Blose on the outside, as Blose was moving outside, also, to get out of Reed's way. With that incident, Reed and Stewart had exchanged mistakes, and they were going to battle for this one wheel-to-wheel over the final three laps. Then Reed came up on Kyle Regal to lap him. Regal is Stewart's teammate, but didn’t do anything dirty, he just held his line, but Reed hesitated just held up long enough for Stewart dart to the inside and slide through for a pass just as the white flag came out.
With just one lap left, Reed started getting desperate. He began working Stewart inside and outside, looking for a spot to pull a dramatic pass. He found the opportunity in a right-hand corner, diving way underneath Stewart and pointing straight to the exit of the corner to take his line away. Stewart, around the outside, had already committed to the next section (which included the whoops) and came out of the corner with a handful of throttle. There was simply nowhere for Stewart to go, and he collided with Reed. They both hit the ground in a heap, eerily similar to their collision at Phoenix last year.
Reed rode well, but Stewart made the clutch pass he needed and appeared to have the race won. Until Reed struck back, hard, on the final lap.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Was Reed at fault? Clearly it was a rough pass, as he aimed his bike straight to the exit of the berm. But it was the last lap and the win was at stake, so you may be a little more willing to accept that move, depending on your own personal opinion. Either way, Stewart made sure to stand on Reed’s bike for a moment to make sure he would be the one to get up first. As they struggled to get up, the focus shifted to Villopoto, who was closing on the downed riders from third. He was able to go by and grab the lead, then Stewart got back going in second, ahead of Reed.
Reed and Stewart probably don't agree on much right now, but they did team up to give Villopoto a nice present.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Stewart was angry, though, and rode Reed rough on the last half lap, going slow and cutting off his old (and new) rival all the way around. Dungey snuck past both to take second. Stewart hugged the inside in the final corner, so Reed went around the outside, gassed it, and squirted past him in the final corner to steal third. On the last lap, Stewart had gone from first to fourth.
Over the last few weeks, Stewart and Reed had seemed to be building an unlikely friendship. Before the race, it became clear that Stewart's old Team Manager, Larry Brooks, was no longer coming to the races as Team Manager of Stewart's team--Stewart said Brooks was, "Going to spend some family time." Reed and Brooks are bitter enemies, so the Brooks move would seem to have only strengthened the new-found friendship between Reed and Stewart.
That lasted all of about 24 hours.
Dungey took second, also gift wrapped.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Fifth went to Canard, who battled past Red Bull KTM's Andrew Short late. Justin Brayton was seventh on a Muscle Milk Toyota Yamaha, Kevin Windham eighth on a GEICO Powersports Honda, Ivan Tedesco ninth on his Dodge Motorsports Hart and Huntington Kawasaki, and Brett Metcalfe tenth on a Rockstar Makita Suzuki.
If the SX Class hadn’t been so incredible, the Lites class would have generated a ton of buzz. The racing in that class was superb as well, with Dean Wilson railing to his first career win, not too shabby considering he started in the middle of the pack and had to pass the other fast guns in the East to make it happen. It also marked the 200th victory in the history of Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki.
Dean Wilson put his name in the record books with a first-time win.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
As well as Wilson rode, Blake Wharton may have had this race won. He crashed twice in his heat race and had to race the LCQ, and after winning that, he held the 19th gate pick for the main event. But he got an incredible jump off the start in the main event, and pulled the holeshot from all the way on the outside. His GEICO Powersports Honda teammate Justin Barcia was away in second, but Barcia was hurting a bit from a practice crash that left him with a sore wrist. Whatron inched away while Barcia dealt with heat from Blake Baggett and Ryan Sipes. Sipes crashed, and Wilson moved up to fourth. The Barcia and Baggett battle began to close in on Wharton around the halfway mark, but Wharton caught a huge break. A lapped rider made a mistake right in front of Barcia, jamming up him and his pursuers. Wharton pulled his lead back out, while Barcia, Baggett and Wilson were left scrapping for second.
It was not easy to make passes on the Atlanta track, but Wilson found some lines, getting past Barcia and Baggett in the whoops and in a corner. This put Wilson second with a small gap to try to make up on Wharton, but Wharton handed the win over on a silver platter when he tucked the front end in a corner and crashed.
Blake Wharton was cruising with the lead for the entire race, until a late crash.
Andrew Fredrickson photo
Wilson rode past him, and the race was over. Barcia and Baggett spent the entire race battling, and Barcia never gave up the spot, finishing second. Baggett was third, matching his Houston result. Barcia and Wilson are now tied for the series lead, each with a win and a second.
The series heads to Daytona next weekend, with more championship drama and intrigue at mid-season than this series has seen in decades.
Monster Energy Supercross
SX Results: Atlanta, GA
1. Ryan Villopoto
2. Ryan Dungey
3. Chad Reed
4. James Stewart
5. Trey Canard
6. Andrew Short
7. Justin Brayton
8. Kevin Windham
9. Ivan Tedesco
10. Brett Metcalfe
11. Davi Millsaps
12. Nick Wey
13. Kyle Regal
14. Chris Blose
15. Tye Simmonds
16. Matt Boni
17. Fabien Izoird
18. Mike Alessi
19. Antonio Balbi
20. Kyle Partridge
15. Tye Simmonds
17. Fabien Izoird
18. Mile Alessi
Lites SX Results: Atlanta, GA
1. D Wilson
2. J Barcia
3. B Baggett
4 B Wharton
5. R Sipes
6. H Hewitt
7. P Larsen
8. M Stewart
9. J Anderson
10. M Lemoine
11. L Vincent
12. A. Martin
13. J. Sipes
14. L Kilbarger
15. B. Ripple
16. M Akaydin
17. S. Lipanovich
18. N Myers
19. V. McKiddie
20. K Rusk
Supercross Class Season Standings
1. Ryan Villopoto, Poulsbo, Wash., Kawasaki – 171
2. James Stewart, Haines City, Fla., Yamaha – 161
3. Chad Reed, Tampa, Fla., Honda – 150
4. Trey Canard, Shawnee, Okla., Honda – 146
5. Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki – 145
6. Andrew Short, Smithville, Texas, KTM – 110
7. Brett Metcalfe, Lake Elsinore, Calif., Suzuki – 104
8. Justin Brayton, Cornelius, N.C, Yamaha – 90
9. Davi Millsaps, Carlsbad, Calif., Yamaha – 88
10. Ivan Tedesco, Murrieta, Calif., Kawasaki – 78
Eastern Regional Supercross Lites Class Season Standings
1. Dean Wilson, Menifee, Calif., Kawasaki – 47
2. Justin Barcia, Ochlocknee, Ga., Honda – 47
3. Blake Baggett, Grand Terrace, Calif., Kawasaki – 40
4. Ryan Sipes, Ekron, Ky., Yamaha – 34
5. Blake Wharton, Aubrey, Texas, Honda – 33
6. Jason Anderson, Edgewood, N.M., Suzuki – 26
7. Lance Vincent, Youngsville, La., Honda – 23
8. Matt Lemoine, Collinsville, Texas, Kawasaki – 23
9. Malcolm Stewart, Haines City, Fla., Suzuki – 20
10. Alex Martin, Millville, Minn., Honda – 20
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Reed takes Stewart out as usual, when he can't beat him he takes him out. Been doing it since 07. REED IS A DIRTY ASS RIDER!!
Wow, great race! That was a pass that will be talked about for yrs.I am a fan of both TwoTwo and #7 for different reasons, that was a crazy move for Reed,What if they got hurt? Heat of the moment?Racing? Does anyone know if these two are both racing outdoors this yr? Tell next weekend-cheers
Reed takes the guy out in ST. Louis 07, PHNX 10, and now ATL 11. Now I remember why I did'nt like this punk before.
Don't care what you call it, it was exciting! I hope the rest of the season is like this because SX just got a lot more interesting. Old school Sx, I guarantee everyone will be glued to their TV's next week. I predict that Vegas is going to be an important race this year and everyone will be bangin bars the rest of the season. Can't wait til next Saturday!
HA HA HA Stewart was "duped" by Reed again!!! Reed's an asshat! #norespect
the ama should fine the track builders for the poor 1 lined tracks they been building. its pretty sad you have to take someone out to pass them, but until they open up the 180 degree turns to create room for passing reed was just doing what he had to do to make the pass ! blame the track builders not reed !
Reed.. Way to go. Remember Unadilla years ago in the 125 class when james stopped and waited for you just to drop the hammer on you again and humiliate you ? I have not. good for you. smoke him at Daytona
If I had just passed someone for the lead on the last lap and knew he was right there behind me, I might try and protect the inside line.... just maybe. I don't know about you but that just seems like common sense. the last lap is when it is time to stop being nice. Also the only reason Bubba's pass on reed was clean was because reed let up because he knew what was coming. Watch the video and you can see reed let up and rode up high. And if you look at the VIDEO you can see the if bubba went to the out side of the burm instead of cuttin it down reed wouldnt have hit him. But that is just my 2 cents and they arent much for sure.
If a frog had wings it would not hit its but when the frog hops???? So take all of the ifs buts and we still have a chalmpionshilp season going on. All that matters is the final score ilts not how you play the game its weather you win or loose that counts! LETS KEEP RACING!
i would take that punk out too. did you see him on the track walk..hat on sideways barely on his head..his stupid tv show has gone to his head..thinks he is a rapper...yeah..a rapper with his daddy yelling at him after the race ..hahahaha.Go Reed... stewart saw him and ran right into him...then was jerkin around in the last couple turns and got passed again...if stewart is soo much faster ,why didnt he just pass Redd earlier in the race and check out? cuz he is outta control as usual..he almost crashed twice in the main ..cant wait for Daytona.!!
John, you are a genius and your language and punctuation skills accentuate that.
It would be a clean racing incident if stewey took out reed huh? Get off racerX and go watch bubba's world. Reed rode like a champ. He Won that race. Stewey was using lappers to his advantage. If Reed is such a weak @$$ punk/baby how come Dungey or Poto couldn't catch him??? Said it before, Stewart fans are like warts on my Johnson. They wont stop and they bother me... I'll be pumped when Malcolm beats barcia. That was as good as a Win for REED if you ask me! Maybe now honda will take him serious and he'll come out to daytona on a factory bike and beat stewey again
wrong choice by #7. He knew reed was coming up the inside. He had the option to hit the binders and check inside. Reed probably would have missed the corner or had a terrible line threw the next section. Either way he would have had 3+ bike lengths to take the win. Then more stupid moves on the last lap allowed reed to pass him again. Rv2 should by them flowers! Oh, and its a 10 point lead. Not 12!
Exciting race, but the telecast either didnt show Stewie messing with Reed onthe last lap or I missed it. I didnt know that, that wasnt smart by Stewie, he is going for a title and that cost him more points. He still coulda had second. And ended 4th. And "Big James" needs to get his big fat mouth off the track, get in the stands. Stewie is a 25 year old man and a pro athlete, the last thing he needs is his Daddy chewing him out on live television. Living his life vicariously through his son. I would tell him to go train Malcolm and get out of my face.
Stewart is the punk for sure. Go REED! Give the haters something to talk about while there sitting on the couch eating cheese balls.
GOOOOOO REED
GOOOOOO REED
I was at the race. One of the best races I've ever seen. Seeing it live you can really see how skilled these guys are. The dirt was so slick it's amazing how these guys are able to fly around that track and keep it on two wheels. Stewart and Reed were just blazing around the track. The first 12 or 13 laps Reed rode flawlessly. Stewart was fast but was having a hard time getting traction and kept making little mistakes. Once Stewart figured this track out he was on Reed's butt.
Stewart and Reed were going at it. They were really competing hard and neither was backing down. On the last lap Stewart made an agressive pass on Reed but it was clean. Reed refused to back down and made one last effort and came in hard on Stewart and took him out. The crowd was in a frenzy. At first I was upset with Reed because it looked like he just blatantly took Stewie out.
After watching the replay on speed it looks like Stewart could've avoided going down if he had chosen to back off. In my opinion it looks like Stewart made up his mind that he was not going to slow down. Vitopollo said something that summed up this race and will be the most important factor to win the Supercross championship. RV said "It's not fastest guy who wins but the smartest".
I look at this race and can't help but think Stewart was not very smart. Even though Reed made an agressive move if Stewart backs off, 1.) He could've cut back to Reed's outside and got the lead back, 2.) Just settle for second place and get the points. Stewart just seemed to have the attitude that he was not backing off or slowing down no matter what. And that cost him the race. I might be wrong maybe Stewart could not have avoided Reed. That's just the way I saw it.
Stewart could have
A: covered the inside line on the last lap
B: squared up the corner and gone back around Reed
C: Let of the gas, and taken a second
D: gassed it and nailed Reed
Nobody gets mad when Bubba takes someone out, and it would be politically incorrect to boo an african-american, so Stewart can get away with pullin some crap, and Reed gets booed for wanting to win? Come on people, get off Bubbas ballsack, and accept that racing is racing and everyone was equally at fault, and lets not pretend that James is the golden boy who's never taken Reed out, or ever made a desperate pass.
WF
I love it. This harkens back to the Rick Johnson, Hannah days and these fans are whining about Reed being dirty. This is racing, not merry-go round funtime! That race was a classic, They will all be bitter and there will be great racing for the rest of the season as well. Who cares Villopoto won, didnt you see that race? I didnt even know Villy was part of it
I think reed intended to execute an aggressive block pass, but it didn't work out. He was obviously very desperate, impulsively drove it in, and couldn't quite get it turned enough. Even if stewart had backed off, he would have hit him anyway. It was a dumb move by reed, but i dont think he was trying to take him out, just rough him up a little, and grab the lead. And, i dont know where regal was supposed to go, to get out of the way. I thought that pass was pretty clean, I've seen much worse. At least it wasn't a boring 'follow the leader' type of a race.
I am impressed with reeds speed on his 'privateer' honda. He looked fast as ever. That bike cant be as good as his suzuki or yamahas were.
Reed won't last this season- he'll cry about some sickness and drop out like outdoors after he realizes he can't beat JS and his desperate take out moves just put his dumb ass on the ground too just like ST. Louis 07 and Anaheim 09 and every other time. DUMB ASS AUSSIE LOVERS- YOUR BOY CAN'T HANG WITH JS- SO HE CRASHES INTO HIM LIKE THE CRY BABY HE IS.
It was dirty... JS7 couldn't have known it was coming because he was full throttle and actually made an attempt to cut down the corner when he realized Reed cut the corner. To JS7's credit he was just using the quicker line, had he gone low and protected the inside Reed would have gone high and caught him in the whoops.. If it were me, I would have stayed high for a better line in the whoops. Seriously, you can't anticipate a blatant take out. That wasn't a block pass, that was a block.. Reed didn't even turn his handlebars until he was falling over.. It was cheap..
if 7 passed 22 like that or did a take out move this section would be lit up with dirty rider comments...
22 gets a free pass?
aiming at the bleachers and cutting someones line off is straight dirty, and karma is a *****...
I did not get to see the race as I dont have tv nor cable but did see the (incident on DV12's tweet I saw nothing but real racing neither one was at fault. As my Grandpa and Jed Clampet would say "Weeee Doggies what a race" . Daytona here we come! LETS RACE!
the saga continues,,only to let a lesser man win..what can anyone with half a brain say. well take a long read of some of these posts and you'll have your answer. Stewart will win next week and so will Deano,,good ride for DW. just pass em and keep going till the checkers. forget the slamfest.
@Davesucks I thought Stewie could've avoided the contact but maybe it was too late. Maybe he was already too hard on the gas. I'll have to watch the replay more closely.
@Davesucks I thought Stewie could've avoided the contact but maybe it was too late. Maybe he was already too hard on the gas. I'll have to watch the replay more closely.
I love all these people that think saying "thats old school racing" justifies the action. Blatant, cheap take outs were just as cheap then.. It was dirty then and its dirty now.. Just because Hannah and Johnson raced aggressive doesn't make Reed's action less dirty..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZpwF5YV-c
Thank you "davesucks".....id call stewart a rat for pulling that move if it had been reversed, but it wasn't. I cant believe how people on here and look at that like it was James fault somehow....he was in his line, and honestly, all you have to do is look at it a few times to see that Reed has his bike pointing toward the top of the turn, just like the author here states. If you want to say it is ok to do that on the last lap, and it is just racing, well that is fine, but Chad Reed most definitely knew what his intentions were in making that move. Seriously, i would call this the same way if it was turned around, im really not sure how you can watch it and not see exactly what Reed was doing. Reed was certainly on it and riding an awesome race no doubt and it was beginning to look like JS didnt have anything for him, but in true Reed fashion, once Stewart got by him it appeared to become just as important that he keep James from winning as it was to win himself. Unfortunate end to a really great race. If people are truly gonna play this "karmic" thing, then i guess it is safe to say that Reed has his coming!! I'm personally glad this faux friendship BS has come to a screeching halt, better for JS to have it in his head that Ree-Dee is not a friendly foe!! Lookout "two-two"!!
I don't necessarily agree with Jason's assessment of the Reed, Stewart pass. From my perspective it was more a center punch than a block pass. May I suggest that when the intersecting angle is greater than 45 degrees it's not a block pass? Jason, are you serious when you say Reed was headed towards the exist? Look at the angle, had Stewart not been there Reed would have gone over the berm.
And if it is true that Stewart was jacking around with Reed and slowing up to mess with him on the last lap after this happened, then he gets what he deserves for dropping from 2nd to 4th and losing 2 more spots. We didn't get to see that, but it appears that is what he did. C'mon dude, that is 4 points you needed!! Still a BS move by Reed, just when i was starting to like him again, oh well, im better at not liking the dude!! HA!!
After watching it over a few times Reed was definitely in the wrong but it still looks like James could've chosen to back off and cut it back to Reed's right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZpwF5YV-c
That is it exactly pxh911.....the video does not lie, reeds bike is pointed straight at the top of the berm, and did he even start to turn his bars down the exit line?? Nope, watch it folks, just watch it again!!
i think reed is racist
I like Stewart. I didn't like Reed's move. Reed came in way off line but to say he was headed over the berm is an exaggeration!
The angle of approach that Reed had coming to the outside of the 180 was VERY doable. His front tire hit the groove that was at the exit of the turn and would have turned his bike properly to line up with the straight. No reason to say he would have gone off the track(thanks watchit for the vid) when he hit the mark properly, Look at the vid at the 22 second mark.
Can't wait to see what #7 has to say TONIGHT on WINDTUNNEL.
PHX91--I think you misunderstood what I was writing. Not defending Reed's pass at all. I wrote "exit of the corner" to imply that Reed's move was on the dirt side, not the clean side. By saying Reed aimed for the exit of the corner, I'm saying that he didn't really attempt to turn. He just skipped the whole thing, parked it at the end and knew he would have Stewart blocked.
It was pretty low-down, but it's up to everyone and their own personal opinion to decide if that type of move on the last lap of a race is acceptable or not.
I report, you decide.
guys its F%#$king racing not "lets hold hands and all play nice" all this crying over guys being too aggressive or dirty who cares these guys are racing for a paycheck and all want to win as bad as you can. clearly james pissed reed off so #22 stuck it to him. stewart will get payback and reed knows it but i doubt hes afraid. all the bar banging makes the races awesome you can see how bad these guys want it.
why does people have to be hatin on reed? it should be steweart that should be hatin on because it is his fault for givin up all the postions and 3rd place
If Stewart would have been looking ahead he would have been able to avoid the contact. Reed was making his pivot at the point of impact, and if Stewart would have been looking further down track like he should have been, he could have cut under Reed and had the win. All you Bubba fans need to get off his D*** and accept the fact that he could have avoided the block pass. Its sad that most of you think he can do no wrong. You forget how many people hes pulled out in front of, landed on or cut off, but when some one starts messing with him you all start crying.
Shut up dude!!
I just watched it some more. stewarts pass on reed, using regal, was nothing we haven't seen before, anybody would have done that. I dont consider it dirty at all, its racing for the win. Reeds pass was not the same kind of a pass. he was coming in at a crazy angle, and even if he had squared it up, and not gone off the track, he would have had no speed entering the whoop straight, and stewart would have blew past him, if he had the room to get his bike by on the inside.. we should all be cheering for a great, exciting race, not trying to find fault and blame someone. The same stuff happens at the back of the pack, we just dont see it, because the cameras are not on them. Stewart and reed have always been rough with each other, reed was always pist because he says stewart always has to touch him when he passes him, and reed has taken him out before, with a crazy move. Expect more from these two. I call it entertainment. So many races are boring, and forgettable,
So, everyone who defends Reeds move please be honest here.....if the roles were reversed in this one, would you say that Stewart had done nothing wrong?? Seriously, everything the same except the two riders switch positions......no karma bullshit, no paybacks from "Chisolm"..... just looking at this incident and this incident alone!! I would say it was a dirty, intentional move regardless of who did it!! Curious how objectively this is being looked at by some people here, or if it is simply based on personal preference!!
The tv coverage was terrible. how could they not have had cameras on the battle for second place, thru the last few turns?
And erin bates was almost there for the scoop, but stewart fled to the pits in a hurry.
If Stewart didnt ride like an idiot on the last lap after the block pass crash, then he would have had second place wrapped up. He really blew that one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PqWtiz-mQk the last turn where stewart goes from 2nd to 4th in one turn
niceone reed stewart is a dum nob jockey
Well well well, everyone clearly loves the "pass attempt" as I do or hates it. If the roles were reversed you would have seen the exact type of pass attempt that is designed to make the passee lose all momentum in the next section. Many super cross riders use it. When there aren't many passing line on the tracks, you have to make them. Some dolt 'brad" has brought racism into it, a bubbles sac lover no doubt, I thought it was a great race, I dont like either rider but I thought the race was great. I think something needs to be done with lappers, had it not been for them the incident would never have happened and Reed would have won.
That was a privilege to have seen that race. WOW! I don't care about what happened exactly, I love the fact that they went for it no matter what. Awesome.
Btw, yea Reed hammered him a bit hard but go YouTube Hannah/Howerton at Saddleback in 1980 if you want to see blatent take out moves.
Speed TV coverage was horrible. They always seem to miss the best action. How could they not show ANY coverage of what happened on the last lap with Stewart giving up so many positions. They need to fire the freaking cameraman.
hello racer x webmaster,,,buddy, PLEASE install spell check for the masses,,
gotta love public schools. Deano flat kicked bam bam's a$$..the big boys could (ie reed/stewart) could learn from this kid...thats the way to win and silence the boohoo.
He's gonna flat kill at daytona.
RACING INCIDENT DUDES!
James had plenty of other options than run into reedy and reedy could of settled for a safe second with both closing the points gap in the title on RV.....dumb from both of them actually but thats racin!
Hey "1fastrider"...lappers are a part of racing dude....and Reed openly admits he made a mistake with how he approached Blose. And since you say STewart would have done the same thing to Reed, would you also still have "loved" it?? That is what i want to know!! "Dz958", thanks for posting the link to the last 2 turns...Stewart definitely blew two positions by screwing around.....im sure he knows it and i'm willing to bet that is what Big James was in his face about!!
@dz958 Thanks for the link now i see why Stewart ended up in 4th place. Instead of just focusing on finishing the race he seems focused on getting revenge on Reed. He even seems to kick his leg out trying to knock Reed off his bike. Stewart did not ride a smart last lap and really lost it at the end. He cost himself 2nd and 3rd.
Hey Nikola Tesla: Great name! Glad to see that someone gives props to one of the most brilliant men ever. He definitely was "not from this planet."
Great racing last night! But ... the lappers absolutely SUCKED! My buddy and I yelled at the TV several times, "Get the F$%^ out of the way!!!" As for Kyle Regal, he had a couple of turns to move over but instead created another obstacle for Reed to deal with just as Regal's teammate came knockin'. What is it with Bubba's teammates? At that point, with another difficult-to-pass track, Reed went for it! After all the whining about riders not going for it this year, I give Reed credit for trying. Not a move with a high probability for success, and understandable that Stewart was unhappy, but dammit, somebody didn't roll over for King James. Bravo for that. It was unconscionable that SPEED showed Villo cruising to the (gift) win while Stewart was looking for payback (and dropping to fourth in the process). Somebody needs to be fired for that nonsense.
they all do it lets not forget the stuffin RV put on RD last year SX series and took them both out,very much the same. JS will punt you off the track also if you are in his way he does not care he wants to win simply put by him in interviews.... but CR did not do himself any favors with this move in the end he would have fared better by taking second for himself and his new team.you can win and still loose at the same time....PS he does not hate JS alone its has a lot to do with L Brooks also...
thanks dz958, for that u tube. why the hell cant speed show that? Stewart was very dumb for going slow and jacking with reed (maybe thats what they mean by 'leaving it all on the track')..He must not have known dungey was that close. This time, he deserved that 4th place finish, he could have done it better.
Also, somebody said he was standing on reeds bike, i say bs. He got up, and put his right foot on the outside of reeds bike, not on top of it, then reed lifted up the bike, and put the seat right in stewies crotch, now stewie is on reeds bike. he had to lift his right foot over, just to get off of it. It wasnt alessi/tedesco or anything like that imo.
1 more vote for Reed's pass being dirty. Too much. It looked to me like when Stewart saw Reed, he decided to go for it no matter what the outcome. He might have been able to take a some hit and blow past with the drive he had started, but either way he was not going to let Reed get the pass. Maybe Stewart could have checked up to avoid collision, but it was a split second decision and I think he had enough of a gap to expect that Reed would not try such a pass. As for the apparent nonsense after wreck, now I understand why his Dad was going off on him.
And Stewart standing on Reed's bike and throwing a leg out to block him at the end? That was sheer foolishnss.
Yes "whatever" I wouild have loved it, it would be interesting to see if there would have been different results and thanks for your brilliant post to let me know lappers are part of racing....what a revelation. I was just making an observation, believe me I know I'm the king of all lappers.
@ride2 best comment I've read so far!
thanks dz958, for that u tube. why the hell cant speed show that? Stewart was very dumb for going slow and jacking with reed (maybe thats what they mean by 'leaving it all on the track')..He must not have known dungey was that close. This time, he deserved that 4th place finish, he could have done it better.
Also, somebody said he was standing on reeds bike, i say bs. He got up, and put his right foot on the outside of reeds bike, not on top of it, then reed lifted up the bike, and put the seat right in stewies crotch, now stewie is on reeds bike. he had to lift his right foot over, just to get off of it. It wasnt alessi/tedesco or anything like that imo.
I see what Stewart's dad was mad about but I think his father was WRONG for going off on Stewart in front of all those people and on live TV. He should have waited until Stewart got back to the pits. I hope he apologized to Stewart. You don't embarrass your son like that on live TV.
oops sorry for the repeat
I am not a racer. Just a fan! This was one of the greatest races I have ever seen. Again, not being a racer, that was a classic block pass from my perspective. Last lap, bad blood, title on the line... JS7 had to know it was coming. Aggressive, yes! This is supercross. I know it's coming & what do I know? I have watched the video over & over. Reed didn't touch him. JS7 runs into him. If Reed had wanted to, he could have put him over the berm. He flat out took the line away from JS7. There is actually a moment in one of those angles that looks like JS7 see's him coming in, hesitates for a brief second, then decides to gas it. Poor judgment. This is suppose to be the greatest rider out there. Let him go, & try to get him in the next corner. At the very least, finish ahead of Villo. Now, back to my Cheese-balls.
He wasn't standing on Reeds bike sef......"trick" gets it right, watch it again please!! How would you call it if it was reversed sef?? Would you say "bravo" for JS going for it?? Not calling you out on anything here, im just curious but i doubt you would applaud the move had it been reversed!!
Good thing #7 was there or #22 would have launched into the 2nd row bleachers
Every rider who has won massive amounts of races is an asshole on the track at times. That is why they win, because they will do whatever they have to. They are selfish, mean and everything else champions are. Steve Cox wrote a good article on the fact awhile back.
Eric G excellent point, he looked like one of those fathers on the side of the track that are always yelling at his kid to jump some obstacle that he never would or making the throttle twist hand move trying to will their 5 year old to go faster. It was quite pathetic to watch!
Eric G excellent point, he looked like one of those fathers on the side of the track that are always yelling at his kid to jump some obstacle that he never would or making the throttle twist hand move trying to will their 5 year old to go faster. It was quite pathetic to watch!
Sorry for the double post!
again fish, I don't know what you are watching. It was clean until JS7 hits him. @ the 22sec mark, Reed puts his front tire into the race line & would have rocketed right out of there. JS7 sees him, and gasses it... Right into him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZpwF5YV-c
Reeds rode dirty last lap BUT its also JS fault. You are supposed to cover your butt once you pass a guy. He should have never let Reedy close in on him like that.
It does not surprise me at all the way Chad 'The Chump' Reed took out Stewart. James had that moto in the bag, Reed should be penalized for what he did. Hard to believe Reed can't hold a real position on a real team. NOT!!!!! Hey Chump: where do you buy the XXXL Helmets at?
I also feel that Justin 'Barge-in-on-ya' needs to get a 55 gallon drum of Whoop-Ass dumped all over him. This moron is a thug just like 'Chump'. These two guys are giving our beloved Moto-X a bad name.
That's the way I see it; blind in one eye, and not being able to see out of the other!
JS7 is gonna be looking for revenge at Daytona but its more like an outside track so I'd go with RV od Dungey for the win. Daytona has never been good to Reedy or Stewie before.
I like the drama it's good publicity but I wonder - as a racer I know if I'm going to pull this move someone is going to go down and that would have gone through my mind...
that was NOT dirty. it happened on the last lap, period. if it happened on lap 5 then dirty might be considered. if it happened at the last round of the championship and Bubba was is the points chase and chad was not, that's dirty. if chad was a lapper= dirty. reed is in this championship too, and he's going for it! Stewart left the door open, end of discusson. i let my 4 year old stay up and watch and now we have anonther great moto memory. this is the greatest sport
BOOHOO, stop crying about it, rubbin is racing. And Reed went also down in that incident, so lets call it a tie. IMO Reed fought hard for that place and earned it, I cant wait for the next weekend.
john ,you have a terrible memory. Reed beat Stewi , just last week & did not take Stewi out. Just a fact. You dont like Reed to the point its personal,their both great riders. Reed rides within himself everyone on this site can tell you over n over about Stewi taking other riders out.
I just think it is amazing how different people see different things.. shows you how much we filter through our own mindsets. Another reason why eye witness reports are seldom accurate.
stewart may stick his elbow in reeds face when he goes by, but it is reed who has done the blatant take outs, like salt lake and vegas, where he ran him off the track in thunder alley. I like watching it, as long as they dont kill each other.
That's the third time I've seen Reed pull that same move. He can't beat Stewart heads up so he resorts to in-a-sense riding backwards. I remember Lusk did the same thing to McGrath and the AMA warned Lusk from doing that again. What Reed pulled was a Hansen type move on Cunningham.
One thing is for certain is that Stewart will not be that nice again.
I hope stewart remembers about the 'evening dew' at daytona. maybe dunlop has a 'wet grass tire' for him. btw is j-law racing this one??
JS is just ridin like an idiot right now. If he keeps doing stupid stuff and crashing all the time theres no way he lasts the season.
Is this guy a tard or what ???? He SUCKS as an announcer. Get someone else that knows what he's talking about... Without Ricky and Jeffro stand at his side he wouldn't know what to say.
To:
"yeah reed wrote: JS is just ridin like an idiot right now."
And you are or were where ????? Were you out there racing too ???? What number where you ????
at least tim fery's son stated some truth........
Stewart could have
A: covered the inside line on the last lap
B: squared up the corner and gone back around Reed
C: Let of the gas, and taken a second
D: gassed it and nailed Reed
only a rookie would choose 'd'...........
js7 made a rookie mistake, and his coach(dad) laid into him after the race.all pretty normal in the world of elite sports.
and how about not a single replay of wilson's pass on barcia? you suck speed.actually speed does not suck, its the dude that edits the show in the broadcast truck.
Not a fan of James or Chad. That was a great race though. James could have held up, could have taken second, but chose to play games. Reed could have made a cleaner pass. Would have, should have, could have. In the heat of battle, two riders who don't like each other to begin with wanted to win. End result, they both loose anways. Can't wait for next weeks action!!
It was a racing move. Last week everyone was a Stewart hater over the Jason Thomas racing incident. This week Reed is hated by everyone for a block pass racing incident with Stewart.
Next race the message boards will find someone else to hate. Maybe we should get off our butts and ride our bikes more rather than riding the message boards.
Great race, but i have to say from the big crash until the end of the race was some of the worst camera work. It was like they had no clue who to put the camera on.
CR22 You are one sorry SOB !!!!! JS7 You are AWESOME and KARMA will get that punk from down under !!!! Big James was pissed I would hate for him to be mad at me !!!!!
And he could never beat JS since 02 punks!!! Go back to Australia with your team and take PUNK ASS Josh Hansen with you too boy. The 2 sore losers who have to take everybody out when they get passed!! YOU'RE DONE REED AND YOUR FANS TOO. REED AND HANSEN= THE 2 BIGGEST PUNKS IN SX.
when stewart passed reed, he went to the inside, which set him up perfectly for the immediate left hander which followed. when reed made his "pass", stewart was already on the gas at the apex of his turn, so squaring it up and going inside was not an option, it was too late. as far as him protecting his inside, had he done that, he would have had to square it up more, and had less speed to carry into the whoops. I definitly would have held the outside line, for that reason. I would know that even if chad were able to get inside, i can blitz him in the whoops with ease, since im a gear higher already. if stewart had gone inside, reed would have gone outside, and passed him in the whoops. reed was not in a good position to make a true pass, it was just a kamikazi last ditch effort, to get that 2nd win.
most of u people dont no shit this is how racing should be move or be moved bump me ill bump u back. you cry cause ur fav gets knocked.people didnt say anything back in the day when johnson and hannah and those guys raced like that.if u enjoy the lame ass races were they ride around in a single file line ur a idiot.this was the best supercross race in a long time.
Last lap, protect your lines! These are the best there is and a cut to the inside on the last lap for the W is to be expected.
A couple of words for JS. "Peripheral vision" Start practicing this at your compound.
i think mark posted the best comment yet
Let's replace Chad with Hannah or Johnson in that video and it would have looked like this. JS7 would have been in the tough blocks and H or J would have won!!!
End of story.
Best race in years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can hardly wait for next week.
I forgot how dirty Chad Reed is until I was reminded at last night's race.
I think the AMA should step in and calm those two down before someone gets hurt(again)
if the ama steps in they will make some stupid rule about contact and ruin supercross if u think every pass should be clean watch somthing else
The Reed/Stewart thing was racing. And I love how people say the only way Reed can beat Stewart is to take him out, that's laughable. What about last weekend or last night when he had his number? The pass was super aggressive but Reed was not even close to aimed at Stewart in that corner. He cut it tight inside, blocked him, and JS drove into the side of him instead of tucking inside or shutting off. To say Reed ran into Stewart is retarded. Reed's move was totally justifiable from a championship contender's perspective on the last lap after leading virtually the whole main event only to lose the lead by getting pinched up with a lapper. When I look at # 7's track record I have a hard time feeling bad for him too.
Jason W. - it's funny you get paid to report on the sport (below), your comments indicate you are an amateur spectator of this sport at best...your statement indicating Reed pulled a dirty move clearly indicates YOU NEVER RACED, NOR DID YOU EVER COACH SOMEONE TO WIN...Stewart had 4 choices (see Tim Ferry's son's comments below...what else can be said but that JS7 made rookie DECISION(S) and cost himself 9 points in doing so, rather than just 3...not a champions decision making process....REED rode clean, made a racing decision that had JS7 responded as a normal person would have anticipated the move and responded accordingly, but not James...as usual he choose option D below, just attempts to ride right over people, do I have to list them beyond JT$...JS7's coach/father laid into him on live TV for his poor choices during the race....
if your going to call racing moves such as a clean block pass and a poor decision by the rider being blocked a dirty move by the blocker, then you need to go report on girl's lacrosse at the local HS...I have lost all respect for your reporting....
"PHX91--I think you misunderstood what I was writing. Not defending Reed's pass at all. I wrote "exit of the corner" to imply that Reed's move was on the dirt side, not the clean side. By saying Reed aimed for the exit of the corner, I'm saying that he didn't really attempt to turn. He just skipped the whole thing, parked it at the end and knew he would have Stewart blocked.
It was pretty low-down, but it's up to everyone and their own personal opinion to decide if that type of move on the last lap of a race is acceptable or not.
I report, you decide. "
"at least tim fery's son stated some truth........
Stewart could have
A: covered the inside line on the last lap
B: squared up the corner and gone back around Reed
C: Let of the gas, and taken a second
D: gassed it and nailed Reed
only a rookie would choose 'd'...........
js7 made a rookie mistake, and his coach(dad) laid into him after the race.all pretty normal in the world of elite sports.
and how about not a single replay of wilson's pass on barcia? you suck speed.actually speed does not suck, its the dude that edits the show in the broadcast truck."
I think its funny people saying Reed hasnt beat stewart since 02... Um how about last weekend haha
One line track for the most part add some good agressive racing.....thats what we want to see. I thought the move was a little on the desperate side and CR could have took the clean 2nd or tried to pass somewhere else...but he hated losing to James...
Question: why are people baggin a JS for standing on Reeds bike? Reed took him out and JS had to get up too....was he supposed to jump off and just let Reed get up and take off? James had no choice as he was straddling Reeds bike.. Thats what happens when your "down under" in result of a agressive pass that ended bad.
I must say i`ts funny to read all this.
Most of you don`t understand a thing about it...
If you have the inside i`ts your move and if we should talk about dirty moves how about 259/7 he have done some many stupid things on a track that you can`t even count them...
7 should just let go of the gas like everybody else do in that situation but he didn`t
He may be the fastest when he are on the wheels but he is a little slow between the ears.
Remember when he jump the G.O.A.T in the back for example
Karma that was what hit him.....
I'm going to send HBThomson and the rest of you Reed loving brainless bafoons back to Aussie with ELLIE along with Hansens dumb sand bagging ass and the rest of Mitch Payton and his 27 year old sandbagging team of cheaters- Reed should join Mitchs team with SISSY Hansen too- PAYBACKS A ***** REEDY.......A REAL ***** !!!!!
Good to see Dungey up front and racing for the win (sarcastic)...... Kid cant even smile on the podium cause he knows he doesnt belong there.....Just sit back and let the other guys race and take what comes to you......
Both of the boys have 40 supercross wins. Neather one will give, so shut your pie holes and enjoy a good race that didn't turn out for the two faster riders. Look how close the points are for the top 6 guys. When was the last time we saw this? It was before McGrath run on the series.
If you don't know what your talking about google it before you post.
James was trying to keep it clean reed puuled the same ol shit hes been doing roe yrs cant beat him ill knock him down, hope james drops the big fag next round two two raciing perfect name for the fag. I would of beat his ass before he got out of the parking lot no need for that didnt even emotely have yhe pass. And hes not a privateer by no means douchbag maybe.
All of you knuckleheads that keep whining, shut up. And secondly, SPEED didnt show what happened with Stewart for the same reason the NFL cuts away from fights on the field. They dont want to show bad sportsmanship. Racer X, go back to the old format and get rid of these comments sections please.
Retards comments are so retarded I actually laughed outloud at his attempt to rationalize the same kind of bush move we've seen from CR whenever he's getting beat, which is most of the time when JS is on the track. It's justifiable to take out your competitor because it's the last lap and you just made a mistake and let the guy pass you? Really? That's what mx is about? Somene ask Carmichael if this is the way it works when he races his truck. And there is no doubt that was a take out move - look at the angle of his bike, his body attitude and factor in past experience - no way this was a passing attempt. But it doesn't matter who does it, this kind of stuff doesn't make the sport - it ruins it. You have 1st and 2nd going to guys who were never a factor in the race. It's ridiculous. And by the way 2-Stroke, I can see by your writing style that you are definitely a guy who does understand things. However, you might consider the thought that just because someone else made a similar unsportsmanlike move last year doesn't make it acceptable for someone else to then do the same thing.
All you whingers need to take stewarts nuts outta your mouths an just accept thats racing....im sick of all these people crying everytime something happens to js7.
He's not invincible and he's not the only guy on the track......although him and his fans think he is. Reed fought hard, and was just going for the W...stewart woulda done the same, and i still just woulda called it racing.
This c'ship is finally gettin interesting!
Moto On...........you don't think JS would have done the same thing? They're both in the hunt for a championship. Tell me this, if you were out front almost an entire moto and lost the lead on the last lap just to have the inside left wide open for you would you go for the pass? Or should everyone back off because it's James Stewart? I also find it funny that you call out Chad Reed for making "bush" league moves. Check the history books between those 22 and 7 and then tell us all about bush league moves.
A lot of the crap said on here make's me laugh, Blaa blaa dirty desperate move, maybe it was a bit desperate but it WAS the last lap! now if james had passed him 5 lap's earlyer i am sure chad would of took his time and picked a better spot to try and pass him back, But with half a lap left you dont have that option. You just have to run it in at your first chance. Now on to James, is it just me or does he not seem to look ahead of himself when he riding? I have seen him plough into a few ppl on the exits of turns and jump into ppl on more than a few times. He must ride round looking at his front mudguard all the time, first thing your taught is to allways look ahead. But a great race and i quess the new friendship is over!)
that thar is racin, girls
Reed's in Stewarts head no doubt about it. Beside's the GOAT I think Reed causes Stewart to think about him more then he wants to. I don't see anyone else push Stewart like Reed does. These guys go at it extra hard every time they find each other on the track. And lucky for us they usually do. May the best man win.
As Ricky Bobby would say "Your either 1st or last" I'm sure reed gets paid by honda for a win. It might not be what it used to be. Most factories pay a bonus for a sx win. Ask yourself this, If you were Reed would you make this move for 50 grand? Or even 10 grand? I would on Stewart! After all he says he's the fastest man on the planet! If he is so fast why was Reed even there?
I thought the two could get along again... It was the best thing when two mortal rivals get along with each other!!!
But Reed spoiled the beans... I don't blame CR22 for doin' that, because I for myself would do that specially on the last lap and a win is at stake. Both have choices, and it is their choices that created the situation.
But I guess, there are more horrendous block passes that we have seen in this sport!!!
2nd half of the season... Everyone is fired up!!!!
TO JS7 & CR22:
If you too could just get along, and show great sportsmanship and respect for each other... Then that would be the best thing the sport will ever see... And my son loves you both, that everytime he sees you both on track (ON TV), I could tell that he is more happier than he used to be!!!
Good Luck to you guys and stay healthy!!!!!!!
Well said Meickey!
To all the Reed haters, can you honestly not remember the dirty passes that Stewart has made that ended riders seasons ?
Theres bad blood there that makes for the best SX season in years so STFU.
Wow, I wore out the scroll wheel on my mouse trying to get to the bottom of this thread!
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How about Metcalf's superball impersonation and then comes back to ride the LCQ and main. That is one tough dude right there....
My 2 cents are this on the 7-22 thing: Reed aimed ahead of James to block him, not into James' side, in anticipation that Stewart would pull up. I believe James had time to see him, and I even think he did see him because it looks to me like when James saw him in his line, he got off-balance trying to stand the bike back up (to I guess try to go around Reed's front wheel), but he never let off the gas. I believe he saw Reed, just like he saw Jason Thomas but it's like sometimes his mind does not process the information his eyes send to it. Eyes: "there's a bike in your path", Brain: "......
I am kinda surprised James did not go inside and block the potential for that move, but someone did make the good point that there's no quick way through those whoops if you hug the inside of the corner before them.
I am a little bummed it came to this though, that was just a sick main event. Heck my heart was running at 170bpm from the drop of the Lites gate until 10 minutes after the 450 main, what an awesome night of racing!
I don't think JS stood on Reed's bike on purpose-- look at the vidieo again -it's like when Reed picks his bike up it just happens to be underStewert!! Just somthing else for the Reeders to whine about!! Come on KW--get in there!!
Stewart has lots of karma built up that will probably come back on him in the form of "bad luck at the races."
Stewart used his own teammate as a tuff blok when he stuffed Reed into the guy to make the pass (what a great teammate Stewart is, right?), and I'm stoked that Reed was able to hang with Stewart long enough to block pass him in return.
Great job, Reed! Stewart certainly deserved that, look at all the riders he's done it to.
Ah, those fond memories of Willie T. Ribbs and his antics, entitlement driving and*****y attitude, followed by bad luck at the races.
If Stewart wants to use other riders like a welcome mat, he will certainly reap what he sows. His loudmouth dad can scream entitlement all he wants like Jesse Jackson, but it won't change anything. Stewart has to live with 19 other riders on the track, and racing can be unpredictable. Nomesane?
One more thing. Stewart didn't slide out to hand the lead over to Reed. Stewart got sideways, but saved it. He didn't lowside. He didn't hit the ground. Stewart got sideways, saved it, and as he was trying to re-group, Reed blew by him.
Karma does suck,especially when u have made many enemys along the way..Reed has more friends on the track and ol Stewie does for sure..It doesn;t pay to be a loner and claim to be the fastest man on planet...Just look at Reed and RC,even though they have had their batlles, they still would take each others side in a heartbeat... Just sayin. I love supercross right now for sure
The camera's have to show the winner going over the finish line. Thats in the rules.
Kawi would have a shit fit if RV won (even by default) and that green bike wasnt shown going past the flames.
Reeds move was lame at best.
It wasnt a block pass. A pass is when you pass someone, not wreck both. And yes I race.
Its always better to be the faster rider who got hit than the slower rider who was the hitter. That comes in handy.
Here is a quick tidbit on # of each brand in the main:
450:
6 - Yamaha
5 - Kawasaki
4 - Honda
3 - KTM
2 - Suzuki
250's
7 - Honda
5 - Kawasaki
4 - Suzuki
3 - KTM
1 - Yamaha
anyone feel RV looked a little stunned after the race how fast CR and JS were riding LOL Too bad the last lap ended the way it did. I would have much rather preferred a clean attempt at a block pass with Reed and Stewart shaking hands on the podium. That would have been the perfect ending to a perfect race, but either way, it was great to actually see these guys go at if for a whole 20 laps. This is what supercross has been missing for so long. James and Chad are true racers and make no bones about racing eachother right to the last corner.
.......oh yes, one more thing.....you could just see how disappointed CR was on the podium. I know, he got caught up in the heat of the moment, adrenaline going wild, etc etc, but you could just read his face that he was disappointed after with the move he made on James. Put it down to racing and glad nobody got hurt in the end..
Retardocross,
There you go again, trying to make your case with that same lame moral relativism. Are you you really saying that move to take JS out, and please, don't try to convince anyone that it was a legitimate attempt at a pass, was ok because it was the last lap? Does that mean it wouldn't be acceptable on, say, lap 8 or 9 or ?. And didn't your mother ever teach you that just because everyone else is doing it doesn't make it right. I don't know what JS would have done (nor do you) but I do know what CR did, and it was bush. I'm not a big JS fan, and if he had pulled that move I would say the same thing - it was bush because there was absoutely no way to complete a pass, unless he was first to pick up his bike. Taking out a rider because he passed you is cheap period. No 100 did the same thing in the lite class last week (even violating your 'last lap' rule) and should have his butt kicked by the ama, if they actually want to sanction these roller derby races.
Had James protected the inside he would have been passed in the whoops.
Reed was far enough back not to protect the inside..
James actually does try to cut down to the inside but has no time, or room to do so. You can see the point in the video where he panics :03-:04, but when something like that happens you have to be superman to react quick enough..
The move was cheap because it was premeditated and left no time or space for James to avoid contact.
Watch the video..
Had James protected the inside he would have been passed in the whoops.
Reed was far enough back not to protect the inside..
James actually does try to cut down to the inside but has no time, or room to do so. You can see the point in the video where he panics :03-:04, but when something like that happens you have to be superman to react quick enough..
The move was cheap because it was premeditated and left no time or space for James to avoid contact.
Watch the video..
@stupidpeople: What i mean is, reed was far enough back, that stewart might not have been worried about him making a pass, since it was physically impossible to do (proven by reeds trajectory, and the net result), hence, he maintained the fast line, rather than taking the slower inside line, meaning that reed would have gone outside/inside and had more speed to pass him in the whoops with. sorry if that confused you.
@stupidpeople: What i mean is, reed was far enough back, that stewart might not have been worried about him making a pass, since it was physically impossible to do (proven by reeds trajectory, and the net result), hence, he maintained the fast line, rather than taking the slower inside line, meaning that reed would have gone outside/inside and had more speed to pass him in the whoops with. sorry if that confused you.
I remember back in 04 Windham did the exact same thing to Vuillemin that Reed did to Stewart on Saturday night. There was talk about penalising Windham but the AMA did nothing and many considered it a fair move and some people even blamed Vuillemin for not shutting off. Funny how this time when its not everyones 2nd favorite rider doing it its considered a dirty move.
klrman.. I think so too... For now.. RV is riding his best ever in the 450 class.. And making way less mistakes than others.. But I think he can be a bit worried if ever Reed and Stewie will be faster than he does in race trim these coming races...
For now.. Villo has Dungey covered and even canard.. Only for the later one to make sadly too many mistakes as a rookie in his 1st full season with the big boys...
And for sure.. Reed will want to stuff it to Kawa and Mike Fischer in particular for not even extending his deal from last year.. As I recalled.. He had a 1 year firm and 1 year optional...
Moto On, I am in no way saying that Reed's pass was "clean", but everyone is making it sound like he centre punched # 7 off the track. If you watch the video, Reed is actually ahead of Stewart on the track (obviously seeing how he cut across the bottom of the turn) and in Stewart's plain sight before he gets on the gas. You can't tell me Bubba didn't see Reed on the inside before he got on the gas. Maybe if he had some peripheral vision he would have seen Reed wayyyy down in the bottom of the corner. Just like Tim Ferry's Son said earlier, James had options in that corner and he chose to throttle out of it with someone in the way. People are also stating Reed would have blown the corner when you can clearly see him completing the turn at the outside line right as they hit, Reed was moving at a snail's pace when they hit. And one more note, Stewart wasn't "standing" on Reed's bike he didn't really have a choice with that one unless he stayed on the ground.
Looked to me if they didnt hit, CR22 was either going over the burm or washing the front end. If he did make the turn, JS7 would have ripped past him going into the whoops...nice move GReed.
Didier-- I dont think Stewie and Reed are any faster than RV, did you forget how fast RV was in the mud in San Diego?? If not for having to stop and get his rear fender pulled off he wins that race going away. He is as fast as any of them. When all these riders are so close in speed, which they are, the start is critical. If a top guys gets great start and gets away clean, he will be hard to catch.
bd200 You say not a smart move by JS?? Are you kidding me?? Reed made the bad move.... Your dilike of JS can't be hidden anymore... Sef... Gift win for RV?? Come on dude, RD had some of them last year and you cryed everytime some one said it, You would say he was smart and put himself in the right spot, Now you call this a gift?? Man you two flip flop a lot.
bd200.. Hey.. Valid point there... But hey.. In Villo shoes.. Having to deal with Dunge, he beats all the time.. Canard prone to making as or more mistakes than a JS and a Reed who use to be slower then the first two mentioned... I would like to deal with one fast rider like JS... Knowing he can always make a mistake.. Then with 2... Ha,ha.
And You can see in Villo's behaviour.. Ok, he was elated by the surprise win.. But hell.. Seeing Reed in the picture can only complicate one's championship ambition.. He,he...
BillC.. I do not think smart is the word here.. He was outclassed in the race by two riders.. And he was just fortunate enough not be up front and they tangled.. handing the win to him.. Part of racing...Happens all the time.. And sadly last year.. It might have occured a lot.. He,he Hell.. IN my amateur days.. I was running 5th and I suddenly finish on the box.. Hell.. Welcome gift anytime.. Was not smart.. Just couldn't get my CR to go any faster... Lol...
Didierlotsyeng. you must be slow then. well RV is riding the same passe as CR and JS and plus if he was able to correct on there mustakes then good, and plus mastakes are all over the place. No one is perfect.
Didierlotsyeng. you must be slow then. well RV is riding the same passe as CR and JS and plus if he was able to correct on there mustakes then good, and plus mastakes are all over the place. No one is perfect.
Thanks Jason, I agree. You report I decide. The spin stops here! Thanks for the "commentary".
BLUE Flags!!!! Regal got THREE blue flags and did not move over..which screwed up the ending of this great race. NEW RULE: Not giving away to blue flag at first chance means BLACK FLAG, an automatic DISQUALIFICATION!!!! Thanks Regal.... what a jerk!
Didierlotsyeng I agree I was just making a point.
Great race .... GO Reed ... Reed was taking everyone to school in the main. I think his pass would have been clean but Bubba wanted it to look dirty so he pinned it right into Reed. People forget about all the dirty pass' bubba makes on Reed through the years cause Reed knows how to ride out of it and not go down. Love it!
Didier, I agree. RV is riding great but he does look a little worried about Reed and Stewarts speed that day. I think Reed feels has a lot to prove since none of the factories had enough confidence in him to hire him back for the money he wanted so he may be riding just as good the last nine races as he did in Atlanta.
Examinator BIG James wanted JS out of there because Erin was on the way with the Mic. Smart move IMO. He was not pissed at his son IMO.
Big James was most likely pissed at his son for riding like a goon worrying about Reed and throwing away 2nd place for a 4th after they got together.
I agree with that line of possibility Retardcross. I think Big James was p1ssed that James Jr. left the door WFO for a move like that then proceeded to do whatever it is he did during the last few turns of the race to lose 3rd place (Gotta love the Speed cameras....)
That race was awesome! Nothing like a hug upset to make a race exciting and draw attention to the sport.
I just watched the races again and this is kinda interesting but in the Lites main, lap 3, Baggett basically made the same move on Malcolm Stewart that Reed made on James, in the same turn, and Malcolm did the "smart" thing and stood it up and backed it down. Baggett was closer to MS going into the turn, so the circumstances were not identical, but I just thought the irony was interesting.
Retardcross & whatever.. True.. James snr was pissed that his son left the door wide open for Reed to seize the opportinuty and that his son was mad at Reed by riding miserably after he mounted the bike... Plus.. Avoiding stupid things to be said.. ordered his son to leave the scene asap when he saw Erin coming towards him.. Smart i reckon...
Examinator... Different backgrounds between Reed and stewie... Thanks to his parents stewie has not ended being a rapper or R&B a la MTV style kind of guy.. Be thankfull for that... That would be a farce, if you ask me.. And for those who do like this.. Go watch basketball.. Or american football.. enough personalities such as mentioned...
Reed did not have he luxury to have his parents with him.. And he had only his GF now wife.. To support him in Europe back in 01.. And 02 to today in the US...
Justin96.. I was not the fastest.. Ha.ha.. My old man never wanted me to venture into that sport (Even though he is a great admirer of DeCoster)... I started with tennis and got pretty good at it...
During my early teenage years.. Had to beg my friends if i could ride their CR's or YZ's.. And when I completed High school.. As a reward.. I was given a RM125... Got my college degree... Was given a CR250 '93.. (Which I still have by the way)
BILLC, I dont know if you didnt undestand what I meant or just trying to start a childish argument like always but here goes. What I was saying that wasnt smart by Stewie is that he lost 2 positions screwing with Reed on the last lap after the crash... that is not smart, he is in the hunt for the title and needs all the points he can get. And he gave them up screwing with Reed, NOT SMART. Now do you understand?? ..
John(first poster), you really seem to be into Reeds shorts. I dont know for a fact but Im sure most riders shower after a race, moto, practice, etc.
I am very, very sorry John. I am more mature than what I posted. Therefore, I can only hope you accept my sincere appoligy. I am trully sorrry. Please feel free to take a jab at me,on these post, at anytime. What I said was imature and uncalled for at this time. Sorry, WLDWEST110