Bench Racing Ammo: Reed's Podium Percentage
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In yesterday’s Going for the W profile on Chad Reed, we touched on his impressive career podium finish percentage. But Chad collected just one podium finish in an injury-riddled 2010 season, and has just one more four races into the 2011 season.
His runner-up ride in Oakland could be the start of a run of more trips to the box, but even if he fights his way into the top three in every race for the rest of the season, he’ll only be matching his own ridiculously high standards.
Here are Chad’s podium stats since joining the 250 (now Supercross) class in 2003:
2003: Podium finish in 14 of 16 races
2004: Podium finish in 16 of 16 races
(The AMA record book shows Reed received zero points in Dallas due to a penalty for illegal fuel. But he did finish on the podium in that actual race)
2005: Podium finish in 14 of 16 races
2006: Podium finish in 14 of 16 races
2007: Podium finish in 15 of 16 races
2008: Podium finish in 13 out of 17 races
2009: Podium finish in 16 out of 17 races
2010: Podium finish in 1 out of 6 races
Will Reed's podium dominance continue in 2011?
Photo: Simon Cudby
Let’s do some math. From 2003 to 2009, Reed landed on the box in 89.4 percent of the races he entered, darned near 90 percent. Even throwing in 2010, his percentage is still 85.8 percent, and with one podium in four rounds this year, his current average sits at 83.8 percent.
In a field as stacked as it is this season, there won't be any free passes to the podium for anyone. Is Reed going to be able to push his percentage back up toward the 90 percent mark, or was Oakland just a retro look at the box? We'll find out soon enough.
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Yeah, on the podium
Watching him in Oakland was SICK!
Reed can haz podiumz?
Those stats are impressive as hell! What an amazing rider, just take a second to put that into perspective EVERY race in 04! Thats insane, and remember 03 where he beat Carmichael strait up like the last 6 races, I think he could have beat Ricky in 04 but we'll never know 05 Ricky was just NOT going to be beatin.
On a Yamaha for the most part too... yikes!
I expect that we will see Reed on the box quite a few more times this season. He's been getting faster by the race except for 1 week he crashed out early. I see him finishing 3rd pretty consistently from here on out, i still believe he is faster than Dungey. I think it's safe to say the podium will be split between Stewart/VIllopoto and Reed/Dungey all season. I don't see Reed or Dungey making it to the top of the box unless JS7 and RV2 take each other out or something.
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I don't think he'll win the sx title this year, but...he will win a few races before the season is over. From here on on out, by the numbers, he'll be a podium finisher in most (but not all) of the races. Honda needs to throw some goodies to CR22 so he has a better chance of finishing on the box...
what about Canard dude, I think he's faster than dungey and reed.
I definately agree with WES.. I think Canard is faster then Reed. Not to take anything away from Reedy because he is a full privateer, but Canard looks MUCH faster.
I think what Reedy has that over others don't is his consistancy as a season goes on. He seems to work stuff out & not have off weeks. This is a great season, I hope everyone can stay healthy. Lovin it!
he's box Ratio is 104 / 124 = 83,8 %
if he podiums the rest 13 races this year : 117 / 137 = 85,4%
to get back to 90% he would need to podium the next :
104 + x / 124 + x = 90%
x= 76 races in a row =)
thats 6 seasons :D ...
yeah jake full privateer... his bank account and his mad sweet hook ups don't really count for full privateer.
Wes & Jake (sounds like a brokeback mountain twosome)... You both better check the race times before you start claiming that Canard is faster than Reed. Reed was almost a full 1.5 seconds faster in the main then Canard last week and the week prior Rd 3 they were even. Remember Reed got a late start on this bike and has had to fight back through the back of the pack in most of his races. I am a huge Canard fan too, but i'm not willing throw down "dis" on Reedy yet. Both riders are "great" lets let the results speak for you guys.
Why did you guys bring canard into this? its about Reeds amazing consistancy. Besides, Canard is washed up anyway. Better lick it before ya stick it. ktm suxxx
I wonder how his numbers compare to other big names, past and current.
Hey Wooman.
Just because he is more well off doesn't make the situation any different. Hes paying for everything out of his OWN money like every other privateer, just because hes got more money does not make this any different.
good stats 2,222,222 fan. Guess he'll never see 90% again...
To all the CR22 haters, how do you argue with those stats.... good to see Reedy on his game again.
22 and 1 are getting up to speed. but CR22 may have too much experience for Dungey. To me, in terms of aggressiveness Reed and Dunge match up as do Stewart and Canard while so far RV seems to be between the two .RV2 crashes this year have been front end tucks (recoverable) whlile 7 and 41 have been way gnarlier . Many more 25 and 22 point races by Stewart and Villopoto, TC , CR and RD are going to have ot make somthing happen. Everybodys playing nice so far, the fireworks will begin shortly.
JimM
Prediction : Reed finds the top step this year at least once and from there, who knows . Dude hasnt spend all that cash for 2nds and 3rds. As it stands now im liking RV or CR at the end of the year.
JimM
He is still chad reed, the most consistent sx rider ever, but really, how good is the bike? Is it even better than the kawi from last year, which he didn't look too comfortable on. I think if the bike gets up to par, he will be close to stewart, just like in the past. 28 is kinda old for sx, but r/c did it at the top level when he was 27. Reed doesn't suck, and he never did.........
He's a solid rider. It cracks me up all the haters say he stinks, he is a very good rider.
Chad has enjoyed a very successful career in the same era of 2 of the best riders in history JS & RC. I think that this makes Reed also one of the best riders in history.
1 AMA SX Championship Lites
1 WSX Championship
2 AMA SX Championships
1 AMA MX Championship.... plus his Aussie titles.
and he missed out on a few other Championships by less than 5 points.... What a rider, what a champion. I really hope he can get a few wins and contend for the title. HarryfromOK - you are bang on, Honda need to hook Reedy up with the booty parts!
Just remember JS has the same number of CSs and only 1 more race win.
(1) Reed will NOT win a race this year, and I'm willing to put money on it.
(2) Reed's podium last week was lucky, Villopoto crashed twice, Canard got a REALLY bad start, and Dungey ran into Reardon on the last turn.
(3) Reed may be on the podium 83% of the time, but check his win percentage (WHEN CARMICHAEL OR STEWART WASN"T INJURED) it ain't pretty
In conclusion I think its safe to say that you Reed fans are clutching at straws, but then again its nice to see the sports most annoying fans grooveling in the dirt.
28 isn't that old. Look how long LaRocco hung in there, if it weren't for his starts his podium stats would be amazing too. It would be comical if Reed keeps getting better every weekend and continues spanking factory riders!
Smee is a troll.
Whats your beef with riders from another country? You trashed Reardon in an earlier post. Get over it, pal, Americans are not the best at everything, all the time.
You will eat those words when Reed gets back on the top step.
I never intented to trash Reardon, I love Aussies. My beef is with Reed and his fanbase. Go Metcalfe, Reardon, Simmonds, Marmont, etc. I wish the best of luck to all of you. My "problem" with Reed is not his ethnicity at all, its his constant excuses, exagerated injuries, and stuck-up attitude. And last time I checked Americans are still the best at motocross, just sayin.
OK Smee113 : Although im and RV guy indoors and out , I happen to think Reed will get on the top step ! 1) I can almost guess who your a homer for but do tell and 2) Please stop with the Dungey this , Canard that blah blah blah about track circumstances , 3) We are listening $ !
JimM
CarlsbadCa
Well Jim, I'm a bit bias towards Dungey and would call myself a fan of his, but to be honest, I don't think he'll win many races this year, maybe not even any. What I like about Dungey is his ATTITUDE, sure he's not the most exicting guy to listen to on the podium, but he's a nice guy and he doesn't make excuses. However, Reed is the only rider I would not cheer for in a race- not because I'm fair-weather or anything- its just, I realise how much work these guys put into this sport and how little most of them get in return. But its not just about how you race, its also about your attitude off the track and in my opinion the only thing that comes out of Reeds mouth is a whining and self-promotion (I'm not refering to promoting sponsers) and when I don't respect a rider as a person, I don't respect them as a rider, plain and simple. BTW, why does your name sound fimiliar?
Reed is one of the most IRONMAN riders in history. Among other feats, he finished third at daytona, with a fricken separated shoulder......exaggerated injuries?
who were we talking about again???
Not sure, I ride at pala and race(?) here and there. I know what you mean about some guys , lil fanny is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Throw out the Epstein Bar and the Kaw year (green 450 doesnt look all that sweet under my boy RV2 either) and I agree with trick. He's got a hill to climb , they all do, but look at his improving reults, where he was at in 09, what hes done, what this means to his legacy, the skin he has in the game and the time left on his clock. Like I said I like Villo but..........
JimM
I like Dungey too. I think without The Man and with RV, CR and JS7 he got caught flat footed. Hes warming up but I think his real advantage is conditioing code workd TGO. The patience he showed oudoors may hurt him in the SX sprint. Hes bad ass no doubt but JS7 and RV2 are badder, We shall see.
JimM
CarlsbadCa
IF your an ER doc or paramedic maybe thats where you saw me but I wouldnt remember (lights out). Heck I rode in the ambulance so much in 09 I shoulda took a mileage deduction ! OK thats enough !
JimM
Yeah I can't stand Hansen either, but not because of what he does off the track. What I can't stand about Hansen is the way he brutally takes out other riders like he did to Canada awhile back. I mean its one thing to be racing in a class your a little too old for, but to take out an up and coming rider whos a PRIVATEER? I mean seriously, how low can you go?
The future belongs to RV. He's got the speed, the endurance, the hunger and the humility to be a great champion.
Does anyone know why racerx has been ignoring him? They've had interviews with every other rider, but not the guy who has controlled most of the series so far.
if i have to hear ralph blather on about the rock hard - ***** hard - crash hard award during the race ONE MORE TIME i am going to go Elvis on my TV. just shut up. shut up. SHUT UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEY why did you bleep out ***** you mother*****ers ????????????
Stewart and rv, the two top guns right now, speedwise. And yet, between them, they only have 11 titles, out of a possible 27, If each had won everything, since turning pro. Lets look a little closer…
Stewarts injuries that have cost him a chance at a title:
A broken collarbone in ‘03, after he had already clinched the 125sx, but it made him miss the 125 outdoors, for the first 4 rounds. Not enough points to beat Langston (who got a gift from the rain gods, over ryan hughes). = HIS FAULT.
Wadded it up in rhythm section, in practice, at his second ever 450 race (on a 250cc 2 stroke) in 2005, and broke his arm. Cost him a chance at the sx title (Don’t say “r/c woulda beat him anyway“, that’s for another bench racing session.) = HIS FAULT
At Washougal, summer 2007, a giant rock rolls down the side of a hill, and crosses right into his path, taking out his front wheel. He tries to plant his foot and save it, while leading, but his leg twists awkwardly, and wrecks his knee. That is called being in the wrong place at the wrong time, not riding over his head. The injury was not yet healed for 2008 sx, and he dropped out after a few races. = NOT HIS FAULT
2010 450sx he pulls a dumb move at phoenix, and breaks his wrist. Got what he deserved for that one. He intended to make it to the outdoors, but was not ready, his wrist still healing. Cost him two possible titles.
= HIS FAULT
And that’s it, 3 injuries over 9 years of pro racing, costing him a chance at six titles (out of a possible 15, even though there were 16 series, but he voluntarily sat out one), which is 39%.
Now for villopoto:
2009 outdoor 450, his old knee injury finally gives out, and he is forced to drop out after one race, which he won. = NOT sure if it was HIS FAULT, since we don’t know how he injured it in the first place.
2010 450sx , St. louis has a dangerous jump, and he crashes and breaks his femur badly (and, it sounds like he is now a few metal plates away from evel knievel). The injury isn’t healed in time for the 450 outdoors. = NOT HIS FAULT
And that’s it, 2 injuries over 5 years of pro racing, costing him a chance at 3 titles (out of a possible 8, even though he competed in 10, because he finished third and second in two of the lites sx series ) which is 27%.
………………
Stewart has 3 more injuries than rv, that were his fault, but he has raced 4 more years than rv.
Stewart has lost a chance at 3 more titles than rv, but he has raced 4 more years than rv.
Despite the fact that stewart has been involved in some of the most horrific crashes in the history of the sport, he has relatively few bad injuries, all things considered.
Villopoto doesn’t crash hard much, but his last one seemed worse than any of stewart’s injuries, even with the broken narvicular bone.
What am I trying to prove with all this? There is a price for going faster than everyone else. Sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesn’t. Dungey, just like r/c and reed, doesn’t get hurt too much, so maybe that will work in his favor, in accumulating titles. He isn‘t wearing that number one plate for nothing. I don’t think that his standing in sx right now, is a sure bet that he isn’t going to win it all. He might just be there when the dust settles. We were all waiting to see if he really has the speed to beat the top guys, now that they are back, but even if he doesn’t have it, that doesn’t mean he cant be a repeat champ. But, I hope they ALL stay healthy til the bitter end, so we can watch them in the outdoors too. Then 2011 will have been one of the best years ever. Lets hope the perfect storm doesn’t turn into a light drizzle, by hangtown.
didn't mean to write a novel. SORRY
very nice novel ..
Trick thats what I I was saying with putting the HEX on. The margin of error for 7 and 41 is less than for Villo but more for 1 and 22. But with any of these guys hey the front end could drop in the whoops,or they get blocked out from a clean shot or cross rutting B4 a triple or ............. Thats kinda why Im going Villo as the new American bad ass (especially MX) and Reed to surprise . No knock against any of these guys.
Jimm
Agree Smee re lil nannys passes. We all saw Canada and Seely but did you see the putz try the same slam bs with Tickle, his own fn teamate ? At race 4 ? Wheres Barcia when you need him ? Lets see what happens when the tracks get rougher, Bring that BS outdoors ! Oh thats right 100 doesnt do outdoors !
JimM
I sure would like to see reed on a competitive factory bike again, before he hangs it up. Just to see where he really stands with these guys now. But... not a KTM350 please!.
We still have factory honda, which I am sure is better than HIS. maybe someday............
I think lil hanny is planning on moving up next year, he has said that it is time to "step it up" (since time is running out). Maybe he WILL race the outdoors... he should, if he wants anyone to take him seriously for next year.
And Jim, we'll see Barcia and Hansen at the east/west shootout, maybe they will trade some paint for us!
Trick is on point tonight!!!! lol
smeee113: I feel like I have said this before, but i used to say the same exact things about Reed! I used to hate the fool. But injury is as much a part of the sport as lining up on the gate so those titles were well deserved. His stats are amazing, RC or JS aren't close on those percentages! But, go back and look at 03 Reed beat RC the last 6 races in a row. Even came from behind and passed him at Dallas. I think he would have won 04 anyways...
No dis-respect however Smee I agree with pretty much everything you have said on these posts! I just have came to respect Reed only in the last year!
Trick: GOOD STATS, way to break it down keep em commin. I don't mind the novel if it's full of good stuff.
@redrider24 Matthes does interviews with RV all the time, the fact is, RV is way to candid to put up on a public site. He tells it how it is, and unfortunately for us, we can hear what he has to say. Impressive stats for Reed. However I'm sure he'd rather have a higher win % than a podium %.
@trick... Nice one... Impressive stats produced on JS7 & RV2.. And could not agree more.. Being the fastest means taking more risk... Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
As for Reed... Not really a fan of him.. But showing up on a privateer basis.. I think that is already showing his dedication to the sport.. And lest we not forget how greedy Reed can be or was in the past.. He now has to spend his own $$ to run his own team.
I reckon if ever he does well.. Meaning besides podiums.. He will be needing wins and he manages to beat the Honda regulars such as Canard, Grant & Windham... I believe he is hoping to have a full factory support next year.
I for one seriously doubt he will win knowing how fast JS7 & RV2 are and Dungey and Canard in the picture... Unless JS7 takes out Canard and RV2 takes out Dungey.. Let's hope not. Season is far more interesting with all those riders in good health!
GO REEEEEEEEED
Reed has an impressive history....one thing I thought of with the whole RC was out and JS was out and that is why Reed won so much is, why didnt anyone else win??? Anyway, Reed is a great rider and I have finally got some respect for him, in the past I couldnt stand him....but I DO NOT think a guy with 100% free of charge engine work, suspension work, gear and other perks can be called a true "privateer"....wasnt there a term called "satellite team" kicked around for a while...in any event....check this out!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCNx3BKl60E
Wow...Trick knows his moto history! Cool man. can't disagree.
didierlotsyeng - EVERY season i pray these guys stay healthy...it is so messed up for all involved when a rider goes out with an injury...well maybe not lil fanny..just kigging he has his place in MX/SX too i supopose...but lets hope these guys keep it together going forward.
When we talk of REED we talk of PODIUM%. When we talk of STEWART we talk of WIN%, When we talk of RC we talk of CHAMPIONSHIP%...these are all different things stemming from a similar vein...can we please stop comparing them...it is really not the same thing...22, 7, and 4 will all go down as 'greats' regardless of what we benchers think...
Chad Reed is one of the best riders ever seen on a supercross and motocross track.He had a terrible year in 2010.Reed i think is just as fast as villpoto and dungey and maybe stewart. But hes probally just trying to get a good solid year in and get his confendnce back to where it was before 2010 started. Reed is also on a privateer bike when dungey and stewart and villpoto are all on the best teams there is.Give chad reed a couple more weeks and im bet he will be back on top of the podium. CHAD REED # 1
A note to Redbeard Reed deos pay for all his parts Pro circuit deos not even give the factorys his stuff to them the factorys. Reed is a true privateer. As I said in another post a quote from Jonhny Ruhtorford of Nascar fame once said "Speed cost money, how fast do you want to go?" In Motocrosss all of the power in the world will not help if you dont have the suspension to use it and I think that is true in all of motosports. Reed is bying the speed and putting it together with a good team he is paying for. I have the utmost respect for what Reed is doing! OH trick good article!
Thanks,
No not Reed-----notreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dar-moto.webs.com
Halfe316
Wow. That is impressive. ! Tell the truth , i wont tell anyone, , did you think of that ?
JimM
i just wanna see reed win one more champion ship and i would be happy.
stewart was not leading when he injured his knee at washougal 07... just thought id point that out
No? Where was he, do you remember?. Wish i could watch that race again, or read about it. This new website doesn't have an archives section, like the old site, and I cant find anything on google, except that it happened late in the second moto, and ferry won with a 2-2. Always feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong. I try to check my facts as best I can.
Rreed said a long time ago, that the 'mone'y just causes more problems, than anything.
Then again, he can always give it to me, i have no problem with it. Sorry for the typo's, my delete key isn't working.
Also, in my novel, when I spoke of 'titles', I was including the regional sx's, since I was analyzing an 'injury to title' percentage. It's not the same as when we talk about r/c's 15 titles, because we don't count the regional sx titles.
SMEE 113 do you ride a motorcycle..If so I don't see your name ever on top of the sport nor do i ever see it anywhere in the sport. Every single rider out there including Hansen and say Lawrence are talented riders.....You can trash all lover these guys but it will never make you better.
Go reed and Stewart and Villopoto and Dungey and canard.........
he was in 3rd place i believe behind windam and langston, he had an almost last place start and got up to 3rd, then injured the knee.
Villopoto hace 4 carreras que no puede pasar a js 7 ... Ustedes me parece que no se acuerda que reed es su archi rival y era el unico que lo pasaba en el sx o lo hacia sufrir ... Miren un poco el campeonato 2009 a si recuerdan algo .. NO POR ALGO ELIGIERON A REED STEWART CARMICHAEL Y MC COMO LAS 4 LEYENDAS ....