Congrats to all the members of this years TEAM U.S.A.! You all rode great @ Dilla! The Buzz here in Colorado is INTENSE, waiting for our show down with the world is going to be hard to deal with!

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I hate to say but of cores i will i told you RD5 1-1! Bubble's needs to stop with all the tv and other distractions if he wants to get back to the front. We lost one of possibly the greatest riders of all time from having to mutch on his plate TP199. And Bubble's is heading that way he needs a role model lucky for RD5 he has the best ever rider, manager and tech in his corner he wont be making thous mistakes! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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That first 250cc moto, just amazing. Too bad the second moto was not broadcasted, Pourcel's come back must have been something to watch. The riding style in this class is just fantastic.

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I agree Bubba has to many distractions. But so did Travis Pastrana and now he lives every day doing exactly what he wants. Hey does anybody know when Broc Hepler is planning on coming back? I like him it sucks he's had so much bad luck the last few years.

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What an experience at Unadilla. Dungey was hauling the mail and on the gas all day..brillantly fast. Props to Desalle..he could hold the pace for 1/2 the race. Stewart..he looked like he was riding alessi's little 350..not that impressive.

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I think Stewart underestimated his competition and thought he could win at any given time, Its time to show some respect to your fellow riders Stewart and for the last time YOU ARE NOT THE FASTES MAN ON THE PLANET !!! Repeat that to yourself over and over !! Act like a man and give credit where credit is due like RC did when ever he got beat and he NEVER had excuses for any of his loses. He just gave credit to who beat him and would say " I got my ass kicked today " Learn from your master Stewie.

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I love it! Stewart, Stewart, Stewart... blah blah blah! Yeah, let just forget the guys between Dungey and Tiger... the ones that have been racing all year and training and work hard. lets just put all the attention on the sell out! are we not over this joker yet?

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You guys are ridiculous. I was there at Unadilla and while Dungey was incredibly fast, Stewart was too. Stewart hasn't had the opportunity of racing all summer and getting into a groove. I'm not a Stewart fan by any stretch but to jump to the conclusions that some of you guys are making is just ridiculous. For him to even be in the top three without racing anyone for the last little while is impressive. I clocked Stewart after he got past Desalle and he was catching Dungey. Then Stewart would make a mistake and lose time. Did you guys expect Stewart to be battling for the win right from the get go? We'll see how Stewart does in the next couple of races.

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One other thing, there was this section of the track where guys were doubling up then skimming over a single and then jumping the last one. Stewart was so freakin' fast through that section it was just ridiculous. Barcia had that section dialed as well. It was just awesome to watch.

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I was there to and Stewart only was gaining a Little time on Dungey because Dungey was being held up with lappers !!!!!! and after Dungey got past most of them he pulled away even farther, nice try.

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Stewart was as impressive as possible coming back like that, but he was not expecting THAT result regardless of what he has said recently. He thought he was FMOP and would come in and clean house.....as did many of his fans. At no point was Stewart catching Dungey though, that was painfully obvious. If Stewart was hurting and HAD to pull off that's understandeable. But pulling off and hiding away and not talking to anyone? Totally different story. What other sport allows its competitors to completely duck any media like this? It leads us to believe he pulled off because he was so far back and was just disgusted. Used to do the same thing in his rookie 250/450 year when he was getting crushed by RC. Give your fans a bone here, will you? They support you through everything you do and you were supposedly out there for them......so tell them what the deal is! I question now if he doesn't bow out of the remaining races since he's also pissed about the MXoN decision. Here I was giving him credit for his comments about Short as a possible choice just a few days ago.

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Just goes to show you gotta be on the bike and racing to stay sharp enough to run up front. A lot of people were saying Stewart was going to kill Dungey just the other day, don't see any comments from them today. I agree BKR, he should have had something to say. I bet he would have had lots to say if he had won. And like you said, not telling us anything allows us to jump to our own conclusions. I think he pulled off because he had a Justin Beiber concert to go to. Still love to watch the guy ride, just too bad it doesn't happen all that often.

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Maybe it's just me, but in the results I see Ryan Dungey as going 1-1. I don't see Villopoto, Stewart, Reed, or anyone elses name on the top spot. 1-1 seems pretty convincing to me. Right now as of this moment Dungey is the best man in Motocross, period.

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He was fast and all in moto 1 and even said he was tired on the box after, there was no comment on a crash in moto two, so wth? why bail? If his wrist (limp) was hurting, there is no shame in that, why hide? Oh, Wait, Typical Larry Brooks move. I bet it makes great drama on his t.v. show!!!! LMAO!!!! Desalle looked scary fast!! Congrats to RD5, and everyone else. Great race! I am a little disapointed JS7 pulled off. bring on the the excuse!!!

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yzf125, I had a stopwatch and clocked him. He was indeed catching him in very small increments. I mentioned to the fans around me that I didn't think Stewart could make up the whole gap though because Dungey was very consistent on his lap times. This was BEFORE the lappers. Like I said in my post, Stewart would make up time a little here and there ... then give it all away with mistakes. You guys are like a bunch of girls constantly reading into things. How do you know the thought process of Stewart, i.e., that he thought that he would come out and destroy everyone? I'm not a Stewart fan but the hate here is just crazy. Stewart is good for the sport and is a great rider. As for Dungey, he was awesome. I agree with Gillett: Dungey is the best man in Motocross right now.

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Best ride of the day was Blake Wharton and his name is not even in this story!! He could of passed Tray in the first moto 4 the win but didnt. Crashed in the first turn 2 finish 9th in moto 2. Awesome ride!!!

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Dungey Just wears these guys out, he is fit like #4, I was there also and he was only loosing time to Stewie when he got in the lappers, you could tell #7 got tired toward the 20 min. mark! How bout guys like Josh Grant he rides around in 8th place, the only guy who really passed anyone was Metcalf that guy needs a holeshot, like to see what he could do if he started up front, he was battling out there. We called it where I was sitting, people were saying bet he pulls off (#7) cause he was mired in the pack running like 12th and gettn roosted bad, This is what happens to ya when u sit on the couch while everyone else is racing doesn't matter what league ur in! Good to see him back though the sport does need him, Villy, n #22 back out there!!

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Franklin, maybe you need to read into things a little more, people are pissed becuase of all the Stewart lovers out here were talking a bunch of crap about how Stewart was going to come into thisrace and crush everyone, and the whole tired comment from Stewart, I find that to be a bunch of bullcrap. This guy is a PROFESSIONAL in the sport and he knows what it takes to ride two full moto's at this level and would not be out on the track if he was not able to give it 100%. Sorry, but I was watching the live broadcast and if Stewart was making ANY, I repeat, ANY kind of charge on Dungey then Dungey would have been made aware of this by his mechanic and I guarantee he could have picked up the pace, and now ur telling us they you took note of his progress on Dungey before lappers got involved? please, it was Dungey consistantly setting the fastest laps of each moto. Now don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Stewart, I watch his show religously and it annoys the crap outta my girl, but I am a HUGE Dungey fan and people tend to forget he is a ROOKIE with only ONE loss outdoors so far. GIVE THE GUY SOME GODD@MN CREDIT!!!

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If we all saw the same race,bubbles almost bought it hard several times,-he was all over the bike and himself(as usual) in moto 1 trying to keep pace with Desalle,let alone running Dungey down 10 seconds ahead.He WAS fast but like other post said-he thought/thinks he's gonna smoke everyone anytime he races-those days are over!He also knocked the crap outta Desalle-sure wish Desalle coulda returned the favor,but so did Barcia on Wilson!Pulling out of moto 2 and hiding?-hmmm sounds like another washed up Yamaha riderthat pulls out if mid-pack or bad start-JSE BS and JLR racing got a team going for 2011?Grant get outta there quick its a "no win" situation over there.Still was some of the best racing this year.Lookin for someone with Speed to catch CP run down Canard in moto 2....Thanks Alli Sports for 1st motos at least-I have no Speed channel here so internet is it.

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is there anywhere on the web where you can watch the 450 race?

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http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5764400/2010_AMA_450_Motocross_Rd_9_Unadilla_HD_720p_Slicknick610.mp4

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1st moto is on Alli sports in race archives....

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Cmon, instead of pulling "an 08 " he pulled a " jlaw ". Don't be surprised if he doesn't do the last three rounds.

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I love this comment section! It is such a laugh!! The biggest surprise at this race was Desalle. He is the man that kicked Stewarts a** in the first moto. He plain wore him out. That is what happened to #7 at Unadilla. Funny thing about Stewart being ready for this race, I have read more than one interview where James said himself that he was not 100%. He tried soo hard in the first moto he was roached for the second. I think he should have stayed on the track so tired that he would have found himself wadded up at the end of a fourth gear wide open section of the track. That would have been awesome, right??? WHATEVER!!! He is not in shape for 30 + 2 x 2. I am not making excuses, it is just how I see it. James is not washed up. Anyone who thinks that is a fool. I am glad he showed up to race, Desalle too, otherwise that would have been a lame race watching Dungey smoke everyone and Shorty going backwards. Oh yeah, I believe one of Stewarts favorite tracks is Southwick. And yes "Dungey Rules!" he is the BOSS.

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One more thing. Lawrence should really just stay home.

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Now THAT was a "Reality Show." But maybe not so unexpected: I'm in a fantasy league and you can only use a rider every other week. I took Desalles (Washougal last year, GPs this year) and passed on Stewie (figured he would crash due to ego and/or just quit for the same reason). Thought I was clever until I checked and found that about 4/5ths of the other folks did the same thing.

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Great showing J-Law-just as I suspected. Attention J-Law sponsors-you're wasting your money. Anybody that thought Stewart could go 1-1 after being out of MX for 2 years---well there you go. Where are all the guys that were guaranteeing the whoopin' Stewart was gonna put on everybody? Hilarious. Stewart looked very sketchy trying to run with Dungey and DeSalle in moto 1. I doubt 2 more weeks of practice will change much for Stewart. Somehow Stewart will get that much faster in 2 weeks? Is everybody else going on vacation? Dungey's patience hunting down and passing DeSalle was amazing to watch.

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J-Law. I laughed out loud when the scroll came across the screen on the 2nd lap or whenever it was and he was in 39th and it said "off" under his name. Imagine in 2008 he beat Dungey for a SX title and was actually a competitor in the nationals (sort of).

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So, I was just looking at the overall results and I don't see J-Law in them or is he in the starting lineup, yet he qualified 24th and I saw his name during the telecast. What gives?

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you can go to http://results.mxsportsproracing.com/index09.php and view lap times and 7 was not closing the gap on 5 until lap 10 when 5 had a 10+ sec lead on him so 5 was not pressed to push any harder. james would not have came out if he didn't think he would win thats what he does , races to win not for second. rd5 put himself in this position with hard work and the drive to be the best . rd5 rides smart and is getting more time on the bike without injury ,and getting faster each race for anyone to have a chance they have to stop riding over their heads and getting hurt. f the "fmotp" DUNGEY IS THE BOSS.

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I was talking with j-laws trainer after the race at unidilla and he said jason is really starting to come around , he also stated that jason is gonna put in a "REAL STRONG" ride at southwick and try to stay on the track for atleast 4 laps !

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J-Law at Southwick 4laps +2.

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j-law 4laps+2 beers? +2 joints? +2hookers? what is the+2

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come on guys , didn,t we all want to see stewart race up front , and thats what we got , I dont hate the guy , you all say , bla blah , bunch of babys.... next race will be different .. He is motivated to win , that is all it takes for a rider like James ... You dont think He was at the top of his game like Dungey, do ya

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Cox, when you say Wilson and Barcia "got together" it sounds like they were having tea. Let's call it like it is, Barcia stuffed Wilson and sent him crashing over the berm.

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watching it on tv when erin bates went to interview james it looked like there was a yamaha with red #1 plates sitting in his pits. did i see really that? if anyone was there could you tell me if that is what it was. thx

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MOTOFAN 1. Desalle wasnt that big a surprise. I said all week he would do good. Its a very GP style track and the guy is fast. Stewie went and hid from the media, his whole crew hid and wouldnt talk. Thats kinda chichensh@t. to me. Very unprofessional. Its the reason Stewie is losing so many fans except a few. Someone could have stepped up and made a statment for the race fans. Very disrespectful for the team to do that. Brooks and that team are clowns. A bunch of babies. And those guys and the Stewie fans say Reed is a baby?? Look in the mirror guys. Barcia was on fire, that was good to see. Wharton looked great, so did Wilson until he met Barcia, but great racing at Unadilla, this race may have surpassed Red Bud for excitment to me. It was good.

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There are some serious blowhards on here....talking out both sides of your mouth. BKR, says that JS was saying he would come out and "clean house"......WHERE THE HELL DID YOU READ THAT DUDE!!!! He clearly said that he was nowhere near where he needed to be in his Transworld interview!!! TOTALLY said that he did not expect to come out and kick ass, yet you accuse him of it!!!! LAME!!! "yz125".....did u listen to the podium interview after the 1st moto???? HUH??? DID YOU??? He said point black that RD rode great and that he had NOTHING for him. What the F else do you expect a guy to do in that situation to show respect??? Huh, tell me!!! Same old s h i t with you JS bashers....same old s h i t. Once again BKR, as far as the MXDN and his comments about short. It is obvious that he thought Short deserved to go, but he said that if he gets asked he would be happy to go to, and for some reason, somebody somewhere must have implied that he had a shot at it, and then they tell you that you WONT be going just 10 minutes before you are going to race to try and prove yourself!!!!! REALLY??? I suppose you dont think that should have been a let down at all do you??? WHATEVER!!! Maybe you will get your answers you want from JS, dont you think he has every right to avoid the questions in the immediate aftermath of the days events, and to take a day to think about things before speaking, before speaking out of frustration??? THINK ABOUT IT!!

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Dungey has obliterated every test this year and is only getting faster...he cruised the last 10 min. When the pressure is on the 5 comes through big time. That holeshot in Moto one was huge. Moto 2 Stewart didn't even want to ride anymore. He is breaking guys wills. We will see if Stewart is willing to take his lumps and put in the time and pain to get back up there and run with Dungey. Way to go RD5! BS move by Barcia on Deano. I've had it with Barcias's whole show. Somebody needs to slam this kid and put him in his place. I know he's got a good taste of 108's roost all year...he's gonna be following Deano around for MANY years to come. Finally, big props to Pourcel...what a major ride in moto 2. Seriously showed some heart and grit. Nice going!

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The allisports web feed of live races as well as the archives look so much better than the old web feeds. Big thanks to all the alli people and others involved in making this happen. Awesome!

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if it was like it when you do so that why cant if he does it already ? so who is it after the way because he never thought it was anyway. am i right ? thats what i thought motherfu*%ers !!!

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oooohhhhh here we go! could that say it was in we could tell or so it doesnt say that over till it can often be said that , but what the hell it cant know anyway so should it go over and over ok ? so why anyway huh? just my opinion!

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I dont know if "THE MAN" had anything to do with the lame timing of that announcement but it might make sense. Lets see, his rider is RD and JS is coming back so what does he do?? He brings over another Zook rider with the obvious hopes of him getting between RD and JS.....and that did work. Who else was even close that 1st moto?? Nobody...just RD, DeSalle and Stewart!! Lets see what else could we do? Ok, lets tell Stewart he DOES NOT have a shot at proving himself for the MXDN right before he lines up at the gate.....Nice!!! Sorry folks but it clearly was a little bit of a surprise to James and i think he has every right to be a little frustrated about it. I dont say all of this because i think he should be going, because i truly believe that Short deserves it....BUT, i am saying this because i think it was handled in a piss poor way that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!! How can you honestly argue that?? It does not make sense!! "THE MAN" says that it was a tough decision...bull s h i t !!! He knew three weeks ago that Andrew Short was in second in points, and that Andrew Short would be riding his "home" track, so dont insult us by saying you were considering Stewart (who hadn't ridden yet) and that it was a tough decision. No conspiracy theory here at all, but i believe it was a mind game by the AMA and or DeCoster.........probably will never know, but that is what i think and i lost a little respect for "THE MAN" on this one. THAT IS MY OPINION!! Just my opinion

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you are an absolute idiot "booger" whoever the hell you are....have another beer or do some more drugs........IDIOT!!

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wharever: there was a press release a week ago saying that they were goinig to reveal the mxon team at 12pm . that is what they did no suprises. if stewart is really the fastest man on the planet does it really matter that desalle was there. are you saying that desalle has no right to race.? have you lost your mind? now wipe stewarts load from your chin brush your tooth and get a life. DUNGEY RULES

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Leave it to Barcia to know he doesn't have the speed to be up front so he takes out Dean and then gets ran down by canard and crashes by himself. The child is a joke.

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The major players and managers of every major sport- NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA have to face the media in a press conference after EVERY game. Why our sport doesn't do this is beyond me. The fans deserve answers from everybody. Not just the three guys on the podium with 30 second sound bites and sponsor pimps. Sad day for the Stewart fanatics.

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now your pissed me off bad mr. whatever! u think u know but you say under the fact it ah hah said the blind man in the green hat... who is after it in the way could you stop was over then who is it? you cant let it be can u .. just in time says stewart can u even blame him what about the rest ? its not even always too much but i cant speak for every rider out there .

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Whatever, I'm not even gonna bother reading your posts anymore so don't waste your time directing any at me. You're a nut! DeCoster brought over DeSalle with the intention of getting between Dungey and Stewart? You actually posted that for others to see? Clearly THAT is what prevented Stewart from dominating Dungey. You can look for days but you'll never see anything where I accused Stewart of SAYING anything. We all know his ego is huge, you just can't see it through your blinders. No biggie. Man it must've sucked to watch that race for you though, with your face all painted in San Manuel blue, and your JSE hat on.....while Dungey just smoothly pulled away thanks to Roger D's masterful scheme of placing DeSalle between them. What did Roger do in moto 2, sneak down to the line and put James' bike in the wrong gear? Now that you mention it, reports are surfacing that Roger was caught tinkering with James' tear-off system as well. This has clearly sent you off the deep end. By the way, was my pre-race analysis very far off?

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JDubya....exactly.

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I have been saying for a while now (and we ALL know that I am right...lol) that I would much rather see more of the first moto on TV that waste the minutes listening to the SAME boring podium speechs (i.e. sponsor plugs). Yes, I know that riders sponsors want and pay for the exposure, but unless someone has something interesting to say (and they rarely do) lets see more of moto 1. And I have been saying "whatever" to whatever for...ever, lol.

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Whatever, maybe Stewart has an open spot on his team, seems like you would make a good fit, he wouldn't need to think of any of his own excuses as you seem to have them all covered for him. "Wah, Wah,.....I came to race the last four nationals so I could get a shot at the MXoN, but they picked the team right before my race" cry me a river. Now you're claiming Decoster brought in Desalle to get between Stewart and Dungey, like Decoster has a magic 8 ball and knew Desalle would have that kind of speed? team tactics against Stewart? are you friggin' serious? Then Stewart and his ENTIRE crew ducking away in the semi, real professional btw, out of all the people involved with him NOT ONE OF THEM could come out and make a statement? yeah, thanks Larry Brooks, you're a real class act. Hope we can get a few more guys like you in the industry. Why does Stewart need time to think before speaking to the media? We're only suppose to listen to Stewart when he's having a great day, but when things don't go his way he has they right to act like a child? "no, I had a bad day, I don't wanna talk".."but james the media has some ?'s".."no, I don't wanna talk".."sorry everyone, James refuses to take the pacifier out of his mouth". Stewart is a PROFESSIONAL and it's EXPECTED of him, at the very least, to ACT LIKE ONE. Whatever, it's nice to see that you're intelligent enough to articulate your thoughts without filling them full of foul language and belittling people.......

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Whatever are you serious? You can't believe your boy came out to defend his "FMOTP" title and fell short so you start digging up anything to give him excuses. And now you start bashing DeCoster? There's reasons his moniker is "The MAN", one being he is one, no excuses just results. IF, (and u notice that's a big if), he was calculating with bringing in DeSalle then guess what, it was a smart decision. You don't think that sports managers try to find and use anything that can give they're team an advantage? Well news flash they do, in every sport. And if that's what was done what's wrong with it? Look at what happened with "Chisolmgate" when JS won his SX title over Reed. Really sounds like sour grapes. JS was just not prepared to come back and race at this level, which has been elevated since his last outing. He is trained by one of the best Aldon Baker so either they thought he was ready or JS just wanted to go for it for whatever reason but it was clear he is not in the same league as RD right now. Hopefully it's a wake up call for him and he get's it together for 2011 SX so it's not just an RD,RV,CP show. Just my Opinion.

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"wharever" go to js7.com and read stewarts twitter updates . he is saying he did his best he is not injured and it was bike set-up. so must be larry brooks fault not DeCoster's right?

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Whatever" I know you like to get poster fired up. But come on you really don't think it was all just a big conspiracy against Bubble's do you. I think that's stretching it a little and if you really think about it so will you. As far as getting a interview right after the fact i think that's best it is are best chance at getting the truth. Not having days to make up something! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How come no one is talking about kyle regal making the top five? I dont know exactly what the deal is with the ARMA team, but, it sounds like he was given some better equipment to race on for a change. Just funny how no one seems to notice him very much. I see him as a true 'up and comer', and one day we will be talkng about HIM on these threads. Keep it up kyle, your day is coming.

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robj118, where in my post did I not give Dungey credit? Please tell me. I said that he was consistently fast throughout the whole race. He was awesome. The man is the best motocrosser out there. He reminds me a lot of Rick Johnson, i.e., not the prettiest style but gets the job done and has an iron will. You also mentioned the Stewart fanboys on the site talking crap. Let those guys flame. I'm more objective. I just like to see good racing and don't take sides. If you take a few anonymous fans' views about Stewart and then use it to bash Stewart or to hate on him, then I don't know what to say to you. I think Stewart has said all the right things and has been humble about not being up to speed. Many in the media (and on this site) try to read into things like prepubescent little girls. It drives me nuts.

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ELF846, I noticed Regal. He looked really good out there. He was loose and fluid on the bike.

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Can anyone think that the arrangements between American Suzuki, Yoshimira, Teka Suzuki, Dunlap, FIM, AMA, Target, DeCoster, and DeSalles (all likely months in advance) to give DeSalles some (more) USA exposure ever had the slightest connection to whatever angle the JS Entertainment Division might be working on August 14th? This makes sense to someone?

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"whatever". come on man!!! what in the hell are you grasping for dude? Calling out Decoster? Why would Suzuki really care about your boy James? They have a 95 point lead,(going into Unadilla), They could really care less about JS7. He could have pulled 2 moto wins and RD5 could have finished 2-2 and still grEw his point lead Bringing in Desalle to run interferance???? Give me a break!!! Re-read your post..... Sounds crazy huh??? Your boy is a after thought this year... Maybe Puerto Rico will pick Bubbles to ride the MXoN for them?????

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BKR... i didnt have to search all over bud, here are your words from above man...."he was not expecting THAT result regardless of what he has said recently. He (JS) thought he was FMOP and would come in and clean house.....as did many of his fans." That is not you insinuating that he himself said he was gonna "clean house"??? Hmmmmm. Look, you guys all rip me apart for what i said and you can piss off for it. What im saying has nothing to do with what his results were, i did not expect that he was going to do well, i really didnt at all. You cant just come back and be what you were that quickly. That said, it's obvious im not making any excuses as to why he did not fare better than he did. My problem is with the way things were handled with the decision about MXDN....not the choice that was made. Someone said that they planned in advance to make a decision on that day....ok, just dont lead someone to believe they have a shot if they dont. Didnt Chad Reed pull of the track a few weeks ago for some unknown reason at the time??? We had no idea until the next day or so the reason why....no info after the race for us to go on. That was just fine and f''n dandy wasn't it?? HUH?? Nobody said jack s h i t when he dodged the interviewers did they (you)!!! Bunch of damn hypocrites when it comes to some of this stuff....whats any different in Reeds case?? I dont have a problem with it when he did it!!

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Just got done watching the 2 125 "250" moto. Man Frenchy was moving but i did notes something and it goes back to some posts yesterday Frenchy does not scrub he sucks up like MC. Now many poster say he will be the next big thing and that scrubbing revolutionized moto so why is he not doing it. I feel and its just me that scrubbing is mostly show if you suck up the jump you still say low and you don't take the chance of being sideways when you land. I will admit i have worked on scrubbing days and days but you can make a mistake and lose as mutch time as it would have given you. Were if you suck up the face to say low you will never make a mistake you might just jump a little farther or higher! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well, "fattireguy" if you listen to people talk about the RD and JS meeting, they say all the hype holds a lot in the way of the mental side of things for the future when they have to (hopefully) race each other again....thats why. Dont fool yourself and think that it in no way was important for RD to go out and win over JS (and indeed he did)!!! No, it did not matter for the title, but it may have for other reasons!! A couple of you admitted on the Team USA Announcement page that you thought the timing of the announcement was a little odd, didn't you??? Now you change your tune. Whatever, it really doesn't matter. Elsinore, it akso does not matter, but why dont you go ahead and tell me when it was that they decided to bring DeSalle over, we did not hear a thing about it until not long after JS committed to race. Im not saying it was all planned because of his comeback, but dont think it is not possible either. Im ok with taking crap from some of you for stating my opinion on here, im used to it!! Time will tell if i will get my chance to shove some of this back down your throats........i guess we still dont understand that it's ok to express an opinion on here!!

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C'mon "bd" you are so worked up about the avoidance of the media dude....What about when CR did it?? HUH?? He pulled off and not a word as to why after the race. Did that piss you off as much as this did?? i dont remember you or anyone saying a thing about it!!! Clarify your position!! "rmzkevin", join the debates man, but why dont you try and avoid the child-like comments about "facials" and what not??? Grow the hell up!!

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whatever has his panties in a bunch. And he said he doesnt always defend Stewie all the time over everything. WOW!!. Why dont you throw a few more HUH?? 's out there too why you are at it. A big giant conspiracy against Stewie?? HA HA !! Thats a riot. Real hilarious. Sure, I would pick a guy for the Des Nations who hasnt raced outdoors in almost two years and has ran three races in 18 months. That is the guy I want on my team. Defend all you want Whatever, its no conspiricy against your boy, and Decoster picks a winner everytime. Your boy just isnt it. Maybe he should have dedicated himself to the sport a little more if he wants that kind of respect.

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Whatever" I will agree with you there was know way RD5 was going to let Bubble's beat him if there was anything he could do about it. I just think he was going to do it with his riding and the conspiracy theory was a little out side the box. But like you said that's your opinion and every one is entitled to there opinion just like we are entitled to not agree. DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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whatever, when Reed rode for that team I hated him. Period, that team is the biggest bunch of classless goons out there. Reed has earned some respect from me the last few years. And your boy has lost every bit of mine. So there it is. And its funny how you get on guys for name calling just because you voice your opinion. And the first thing you do is call a bunch of guys "idiots" based on their opinions. then you call guys hypocrites. And gice up ypur little conspiracy bull. What a load of bull. How can anyone plan a guy getting between one rider an another during a race?? Give that crap a rest. Its not Stewie versus the world here. Not even close.

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Cox said, "Dungey had to put in a considerable effort to not only catch but pass Desalle," and I agree that DeSalle rode excellently, but I firmly believe that Dungey simply did what he does: take his time, size up the competition, make the move, and pull away. I watched trackside and on TV and really never doubted that he would get by.

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Does anybody know yet why Desalle's own forks would'nt "fit" the wheel?I know they run trick parts over there and he hauled it all that way not to be able to use it.geez...Kyle Regal deserves a free ride on that factory Honda before years end too!Great dang racing-ALL of it!

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memory serves me right, they announced that same race Reed had a Neck problem... turned out it was his EBV sickness. so to answer your question Mr Whater, Reeds camp made a half-hearted attemp to explain his pulling off. And Yes the RD vs. JS battle was hyped in the media, I personally dont think they (Suzuki) was really caring about his return. Not every team acts like L & M in reguards to tatics like the ones Larry is known for.... (Chisolm, Alessi to name a few). I cant help but look at Roger Decoster and his championships and think he was in the semi plotting against JS7's return instead of how to win ANOTHER title... Just a diffrent point of view. And yes, the competitor in RD5 was not going to let James beat him... That we agree on.

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memory serves me right, they announced that same race Reed had a Neck problem... turned out it was his EBV sickness. so to answer your question Mr Whater, Reeds camp made a half-hearted attemp to explain his pulling off. And Yes the RD vs. JS battle was hyped in the media, I personally dont think they (Suzuki) was really caring about his return. Not every team acts like L & M in reguards to tatics like the ones Larry is known for.... (Chisolm, Alessi to name a few). I cant help but look at Roger Decoster and his championships and think he was in the semi plotting against JS7's return instead of how to win ANOTHER title... Just a diffrent point of view. And yes, the competitor in RD5 was not going to let James beat him... That we agree on.

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Ok so who really told or mislead JS to think if he did good at Undillia he could make the MX DE Nations team?? Why doesn't JS just come forward and just tell us? If indeed that happened I would like to know. Could it of been just the voices in his head? GO team USA!

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o answer the question "bd"...answer the question i asked you?? lets hear it???You totally avoid it dont you??? got ya on that one!! Also, listen to me closely big shot!! I do not have any problem whatsoever with Stewart NOT being on the MXDN team....NONE!!! Hear me??? None!! Do i really need to say it again for all of you??? NONE!!!! "BD' you make it sound like it is a no brainer and DeCoster wouldn't pick someone who had not ridden in 18 months...well that does make perfect sense and i agree. Why then, did "THE MAN" say in his interview with Erin Bates that it was a very difficult decision between Short and Stewart......HUH?(just for you) Why did he say that if it was such a no brainer, and why the delay?? My problem is with what you guys spin this as and how it really went down. Short should be there and Stewart should not, i agree completely..it's not about "my boy" big mouth...not at all. Now answer my questions would you please??

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To the comment that "We lost one of possibly the greatest riders of all time from having to mutch (sic) on his plate TP199," I have to strongly disagree. Despite DeCoster's chagrin regarding TP's freestyle "antics," the injuries that took #199 out of MX were caused while riding MX. Freestyle (make that kicking ass in freestyle) was easy for Travis. He was definitely an amazing racing talent, but crashes during MX (the biggest of which happened right in front of me at Unadilla in, I believe, 2001 -- he was never the same) were what took him away from the sport he loved. But I do agree that seeing what he's done since, it's hard to feel sorry for him.

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"That first 250cc moto, just amazing. Too bad the second moto was not broadcasted." What?

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"oldschool" i would like to know that also....if it was all just James assuming he had a shot at making it then i say shame on him, no doubt. If not, and it went down that way, i would like to know. GO TEAM USA!!!

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I would love to see TP out there racing still, but he is a big boy and can do whatever the hell he wants to with his life, just like anybody can!!!! Is the guy living a dream, so to speak?? Does he look pretty happy when he is interviewed?? Is he making buttloads of cash doing what he wants and loves?? Yes, Yes,Yes he is!!!! Contrary to (un)popular belief, it is not the obligation of these riders to do just exactly what it is we think they should do with their careers/lives!!!!

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yzsean, he does sometimes but you are right; he scrub doesn't much. He saves it for really peaked jumps, ant-hill type obstacles, where shaving off a few feet of ramp pays a bigger dividend. Was real obvious at one race, don't remember which, when he was about the only guy who was really working it (was a left-turning peaky ant-hill) and he was just flat and barely clearing the peak, and landing still Ced. Looked real iffy (for anybody) and he only did it a few times to make ground. Was on TV but you really had to look for it. That said, no, he doesn't much. Whatever, besides the logistic realities of lead-times bringing over DeSalles, what purpose would be served bringing him here re Stewart? JS was going to be able to run with RD or he wasn't. What was DeSalles going to do about it, torpedo him? Why would it matter? JS is no factor in RD's championship. Bigger point: DeSalles is currently 2nd in the GPs. It's almost a surprise Teka/Suzuki would agree to his being here at all, much less on the track with Stewart in wounded-animal mode. It is WAY easier to imagine that the second-worst thing that could have happened Saturday (for DeCoster) was DeSalles getting hurt. A bang-fest with Stewart was exactly the last thing he wanted to see between the two. All downside with no upside is not a team strategy. Certainly not DeCoster's.

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Like James, I too was very saddened at not being selected to ride on the MXDN team. I was so surprized that I nearly choked on the bratwurst I was eating at my brothers house while we waited for the live broadcast to get going. I am very frustrated that I hadn't been told earlier and I had been let to believe that I had a chance. Like James I haven't raced all summer, I have a supercross only contract (actually a ticket to A1) and I do have a huge ego. Should I be upset? All joking aside, both Stewart and Short showed who deserved the invite. Go USA!

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....that was NOT an official announcement about his neck "fattireguy", it was just a bit of incorrect information Cox stated in his race report. My point is that Chad Reed (defending champion in the series) chose not to speak to the media after the race!!! Were talking about the Defending champ in the series Chad Reed, not the "afterthought" James Stewart (as you called him above) who is just doing the last four races. If he is nothing more than an afterthought he owes absolutely nothing in the way of a "statement".

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A couple of people made these statements: "What other sport allows its competitors to completely duck any media like this?" and "The major players and managers of every major sport- NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA have to face the media in a press conference after EVERY game." I'm a big fan of baseball, football, and basketball as well as MX (MX is my fav, though), and I have to disagree. First, these are team sports. Are you saying EVERY player on the team HAS TO face the media after EVERY game? Sorry, but no way. That said, it was a publicity faux pas for Stewart AND his team to be silent after pulling out. I'll add, though, that Stewart's interview after the first moto was humble and very appreciative of the fans at the race, and I think that to crucify Stewart for his performance or for the words of the "fan-tards" who love him is ridiculous and unfair.

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whatever, I believe Mr. DeCoster was being polite.

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Saying Roger Decoster had Desalle come over to get between Dungey and Stewart is of course just plain nonsense but... after watching Dungey the last couple of years I think Roger D may have a magic 8 ball or crystal ball or something!...crafty belgian

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Ok "rampage" i agree Short should go, but save for Stewart pulling off (dont know why yet) uh, Short finished behind him in the first moto...and a good bit behind him. While i totally agree with the selection of Short, your statement as to why is a little suspect!!

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I have to ask you sef if you are referring to me as a dreaded "fan-tard" for expressing my opinion?? I sure hope not!!

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Another thing. When is Yamaha going to get a real team, send Brooks out to pasture and make a serious effort at the national level? I am tired of the antics and the goof off that is the Sam Manuel Yamaha team. Go back a ways and remember how much Reed disliked the team. Did Brooks have anything to do with that? Then Reed went to Suzuki and instantly looked better. How about the Chisolm deal in Salt Lake two years ago. The skipped press conference, the "Who is Chad Reed" tee shirts that the TEAM wore. How about Bubba going into the pits trying to pick fights and throwing Reeds bike off the stand. Folks, Bubba needs to get off of that team and away from Brooks. Brooks is not good for Bubba or any other team in my opinion. By the way, I am a Yamaha guy if you couldn't tell. But from all of what has happened I should be buying a Suzuki.

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"Polite" Elsinore?? Really?? What is he, a grade school teacher?? C'mon man......he was being "polite"?? That is funny!!

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Another word on DeCoster "bring(ing) over another Zook rider with the obvious hopes of him getting between RD and JS" and other conspiracy theories. Euro riders have been coming over to race Nationals on off weekends for decades -- especially at Unadilla, a track the Euros seem to love. Whatever, you hate it when people presume to know what James is thinking, but it seems you did a lot of that in your indictment of DeCoster, a man who surely isn't worried about your (or my) opinion and who has been one of the most upstanding citizens of the MX world.

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And regarding the fantard comment, I believe that you put more thought into your comments than many, whatever, but you do go over the top to defend Bubba.

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Charlie Booger, no idea what you're talking about.

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Rampage.. too funny if you have a Supercross only contract you can borrow my 1974 Monark 125 GS. The GS stands for good shifting no joke! Do take care of her she is a gem! Dam this is a long thread!! :)

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"All downside and no upside is not a team strategy"...ok then Elsinore, if Dungey clinces next week, does he and should he ride the last two races?? With title in hand that would seem to be "all downside and no upside" would it not?? Maybe more things do come into play other than "downside upside"!!

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To agree with another poster, Wharton was on it Saturday. Nice to see him start to show more of the potential he's teased us with since racing with the leaders in some of his first-ever pro races, including Southwick. However, I'm not as sure as that poster (and I was trackside) that he "purposely" didn't pass Canard, but if that's true ... well played by Team Geico Honda. At this point in the season, it would be foolish to do otherwise. And didn't Blake take Trey out during SX at a point in the season when TC was still in the hunt? He would have hated to repeat that one!

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It's strange sef, but i am honestly not so much defending Stewart, I truly and honestly mean that, i think what gets me in trouble if you will, is that i see things outside the obvious and black and white that bother me and i go after some sort of understanding about it. Doesn't appear that many here understand that or see it that way, and then when im instantly labeled a "fantard" it certainly does "ruffle me feathers" a tad bit. Oh well, it's all in a hard day of laying on my ass and reading this stuff!!

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"Whatever", I am not trying to be contradictory but Bubba has a supercross only contract. Its the MX (Motocross) Des Nations. Its Moto. He hasn't raced all summer. He's raced what two times since JANUARY? We could argue about his motives but I think the only reason he is racing the last few nats is because he knows he's slipping, and in another few races we will have another long break until January. If he is upset about not going, he is being a whiner. Short deserves it, and he showed it. So he fades, who cares, he is still giving it what he has and he didn't quit. Short has earned the respect others have for him.

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Once again, I don't disagree with the selection of Short "rampage", not in the least. He should be going. I think my angle here is being very much misunderstood, but that is somewhat understandable i guess, considering!! Oh, and i have to correct my grammar above....."lying on my ass" not "laying"!!! I need to get up and do something else.....GEEZ!!!

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Rampage, that was killer material.....about your being passed over for the MXoN as well! My condolences and the lack of respect The Man showed you.

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According to Larry Brooks on Pulpmx.com, Stewart was just completely gassed which is why he pulled out. Wrist is fine, bike was fine, just got tired. He claims they are very happy with the results and see it as a positive. So how were they expecting James to be picked after seeing Saturday's performance, which went about as well as they expected it to?

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I think Short will step it up at the MXDN on what is called his home track. I would rather have a guy get a holeshot and fade to 3rd or 4th then someone that falls in the 1st turn and works up to 10th. Short has of late been able to stay out of trouble and get great starts. Now why cant anyone understand CharleyBoogers comments, makes perfect sense to me lol. My guess is Charley got frustrated reading some of the difficult to read posts on here and was making a point..I think

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Damn BKR, i dont think they were "expecting" anything dude!!!!!! I just believe they though it was a consideration based on how things went, thats all. It was a moot point before the gate dropped, and maybe that was a bummer at first, is that not understandable??? He did say himself he thought Shorty should go. What is hard for you to see here??

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Yeah, nothing like a good "BOOGER" for a little comic relief!!!

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And he definitely looked "gassed" to me after the first moto AND before the second!!! Fair enough everyone?? You have your answer less than 24 hours after the race was over and that is on par with past similar situations. And you have what is obviously an honest answer as to why he pulled off. He said he was not expecting his conditioning to be 100% and it understandably wasn't!!

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acting like your gonna get podium after being gone for a year and a half and saying your gonna dominate everyone on the track will get you no where..he pulled off the 2nd moto and was too "tired" to race.what a wuss.dungey beat his ass fair and square.and he didnt wanna say why he pulled off the track.instead he went and hid in his trailer like a scared little kid...and to think after being gone a year and a half he thought he was gonna get to be on team usa for the MX O N...YEAH RIGHT!...he proved nothing yesterday...hes a show off and acts like a bad ass when he actually isnt.he needs to just go back to being a television star on bubbas world.he doesnt deserve to be on the track...like i said before whats worse then being a loser is a quitter and thats exactly what he is.after the B-S stewart pulled yesterday he lost alot i mean ALOT of fans.good job stewart you make us proud! XD

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"whatever, I believe Mr. DeCoster was being polite." ""Polite" Elsinore?? Really?? What is he, a grade school teacher?? C'mon man......he was being "polite"?? That is funny!!"" Yes, it's called being diplomatic. The irony here is staggering.

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The announcement for the MXDN team had NOTHING to do with Stewarts performance PERIOD! If anything it would provide more motivation to win. On that note Stewarts performance was as good as anybody but Dungey and Desalle in the 1st moto and I think he may have become frustrated the 2nd moto having to fight so hard to get to up 10th or 11th and knew he couldnt continue to advance so he pulled off or he would have continued. Not talking to the press afterwords would make this theory make sense.

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not talkin to the press made him look like a little kid thats camera shy.

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The guy gets third in his first moto in 23 months and "he doesnt deserve to be on the track"? Yikes! Are you really Bob Hannah, yamadog24? You're obviously some superhero rider who could do much better. This is what I'm talking about. I'm NOT a Stewart fan (whatever will back me on that one!) but come on. What are we, little kids? "You weren't the fastest man on the planet after two years away from Nationals and seven months off due to injury! Na na na na na!" What venom! Go get laid or something! Unadilla had one of the better crowds in years. Everybody was excited. Bad thing? I hope Stewart races the rest of the series. It will make it more interesting (although I'm psyched to get to Southwick, regardless)! Go ahead, criticize James' actions (I sure have), but get a grip.

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BTW, whatever, I didn't specifically call you a fantard. Frankly, I'm pleased to argue with you without it getting personal. See, we can do it!

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I just watched the race and gotta say I didn't think it would go that way. I thought Stewie would run and hide like he always had in the past but the Dung would slowly reel him in toward the end but not catch him in the first moto. And second moto the Dung would just wear everyone out. I think the pace is much faster than ever and Stewie was much surprised by it. Whatever.....my dad would always say to people like you that if the whole world is wrong than it's probably you that's wrong.

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Fair enough "sef"!!!

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Whatever... Your the comic relief on here. Anytime I feel down I just read one of you outer space comments and all is right again.

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Thats awesome "MadKaw"....thanks!!

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"Garjan111", you're one of the people who do not see where i am coming from with this, i do not think everyone else is wrong.......arghhhh, this s h i t is FRUSTRATING!!!

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It can be.

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Elsinore...go listen to the podcast on Pulpmx......i dont care trhat he wasnt picked but it was BS timing. Matthes said Roger DeCoster himself gave him some info about the selection, and that essentially they were waiting till James came back to make the decision, then BOOM they just drop the hammer right before the race. He did not "expect" to be picked, but he wanted at least one shot to see where he was and they took that out of the equation!!! Sorry, but im of the opinion that it was handled poorly. Ultimately he did not prove that he was a better choice than Short....true!!! But it was handled wrong with poor timing. Anyone who says that it should have been more motivating should possibly reconsider. "Diplomatic"?? yet another word i question. Diplomatic about what?? IF JS was ever being considered i would like to know what DeCoster was using as criteria for considering him at all! The picks dont need to be in for another two weeks yet....WHAT WERE THEY WAITING FOR?? Did the missing piece really finally come in at the 11th hour?? Were they simply doing it for the hype?? I'm honestly just trying to understand!! Im Not trying to understand the pick, i'm good with that, but the out of the ordinary process of it this year!! "yamadog24" your hate is apparent, as is your misinformation!!

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i was watching the 250's on my television today and at about lap 6 i realized how hungry i was, so i ordered a pizza. when the white flag came out i heard the doorbell ring and i then realized i have no money. he kept ringing and ringing the doorbell as i stared at him out the window, he looked pissed. there was nothing i could do. i thought about opening up the door and punching him in the face and taking the pizza but he knows where i live so i didnt do it. he finally drove away and i thought to myself ...maybe i should get a job.

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Whatever, I will give you that the timing makes no sense. As I said elsewhere, they could have made the same choice with the same input at Washougal, so I have no idea why they waited. I heard people knew the official selections on Wednesday, so who knows.

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Hey, remember when people used to bag on Dungey because they thought JLaw got in his head and he couldn't handle the pressure and JLaw was so good that he would always beat Dungey.

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Hey you guys, I just looked at the results from Unadilla and Dungey got first in both motos and JLaw didn't finish either. Hrmm that is really weird, I thought it was supposed to be the other way around.

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Whatever" On the selection it was off they usually make it at Loretta's. I will admit i thought they might pick Bubble's that's why thay waited. If they would have i would have been pissed i did and do not think he deserved to go. In my opinion the spot was Short's all along and i am glad it went that way. I just don't think it was a conspiracy against Bubble's but if it was it was not THE MAN it was the guy on the grassy noell i am sere of it! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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All this because you didn't like the TIMING of the announcement? Usually they make the announcement at Loretta's. I thought it was a good idea to wait a little longer. Is the timing an issue because it wasn't fair to #7? Or is there something I'm missing here.

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CharleyBooger, well now we know two things about you. One is that your local pizza delivers in less than 20 minutes. The other is that you will never make it to Bread Loaf.

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Pourcel blows my mind. to pass wilson n Barcia @ the begining of a moto when their not tired is incredible ,and to do it like they were standing still. He was flying when he took a dirt sample. N the 2nd motoTrey got the holeshot n simply checked out..oops Pourcel ran him down n beat him ,that dudes awesome . Lookin fwd to seeing him n Trey on 450`s next year. Dungey,no surprise,he bides his time,knows he`s the fastest AND the best rider out there. Never had a doubt he`d win the 2nd moto. A bit disappointed n Stewi,not the wey he rode but the wey he didn`t ride the 2nd moto,did he ?. And J-Law sure did add interest to it,didn`t he. Did he even start the 2nd moto ? A dnf and a dns yeah whos the ugly Kardashian again ? I didnt care and wouldn`t`ve brought it up if it weren`t for sef154 telling me my comments make no cents....just dollars.... n ban booger from this site ,we don`t all agree ,but we might on that one ,aye

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@ whatever, Stewart did expect to come out and win. Why do you think he waited so long? He has been riding for what a month and a half now? He pulled off because he wasn't upfront, just like in 2008 supercross when he pulled out after 2 races because Reed was racing good and had faster practice times (yes practice times) than him at Anaheim 2 that year . Same thing in supercross this year, I guarantee you that if he would have won Anaheim 2 instead of finishing 3rd that he would have raced the rest of the series instead of pulling out. He can't handle 2nd and to anyone who says he was taking it easy or settling for 2nd in the 1st moto doesn't know what they are talking about or they have never seen James Stewart race.

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@ whatever, I also don't think Stewart would have deserved to race the MXON after one race when Short has been racing the whole season. Stewart is faster but Short deserves it.

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I agree Shorty deserves to go to MXON but they should have told JS early. That was bogus what they did. they misled Stewie and ll fans.

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Have you all noticed Stewarts topics get the most comments. the guy really has had us typing. I bet racer X keeps his name close for promotions.

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Hey guys just to add my 1 cent from Euroland, Apparently Desalle signed a two year deal with Teka. 2010 in the GPs with a few rides in the USA and then to ride the nationals in 2011. Although at this time the nationals ride apears to be off due to the credit crunch ? but you never know. Also due to the GP dates changing exspect alot more GP guys coming over for the SX in 2011, so far Osborne is confirmed for the east cost lites and posibly Herlings & Roczen if the age limit does not come into effect as they will be 16 & 17. Oh and congrats to Stewart on the great ride after such a long time off the bike.

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Hey Whatever, do you think that maybe they we're gonna give Stewart a chance to show himself but he took himself out of consideration before Saturday? Maybe he knew his conditioning was not there or maybe the Bubbas World Episode was canceled by the network so there was no reason for him to try and make the team? Point being there could have been many reasons that we may never know on why the announcement came when it did so why do you have to jump on the reason was to throw James off his game before the race? Because it would give RD an advantage in winning and increasing the points lead he already has? Because it would demoralize JS so he would be easier to beat next year? Come on man you are really reaching there.

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Dgizzy" I don't know if it's Bubble's that gets the posts or just the drama or controversy. When J-flaw was actively riding he would have the most posts every one just likes the drama! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mr SEF154 I totally agree with you, I was happy to see Stewie back and hope to see him for the rest of the season, even if he doesn't win. Desalle is a strong dude and came down to put shame on the AMA guys(Sans Dungey). Canard is haulin but Pourcel is a beast, more impressive every time. Wilson and Barcia must love each other, but I think that was a regular racing move. That 2nd lites moto was fun to watch. Thanks to all the guys at Allisports and Speed for the broadcasts, it is an awesome effort that has to be recognized. Good luck to the glorious USA TEAM.

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I'll be at the 'Wick, we'll see if Stewart actually shows up, If he backs out I have officially lost all respect for the guy, but if he shows up and puts in a respectable ride...ie, no worse than 2nd overall, then I think maybe we can all forgive him for the whole ducking out on the media after the second moto pullout at 'Dilla........................................still can't believe "Whatever" and his specualtion into Decoster bringing in a Euro (Desalle) to get inbetween Dungey and Stewart, it's just the most ludicrous statement I have EVER read, EVER.......................talk about Paranoid Schizophrenic, that guy walking behind you on the street also works for the CIA and they are watching you!!!!!!!!

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booger, I was the pizza delivery guy. Your an A S S ! not only did you make me miss the second half of the moto, I ran out of gas in my Tercel because i planned on getting a huge tip! ps. i like what you've done with the front of your double wide!

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robj118, so you're saying that Stewart has to come in to Southwick and get at least a second place for you to find it it your heart to forgive him?? WOW!! you get a big "whatever"on that one buddy!! Why is it that it is such a big deal to go to the trailer after he pulled out?? Really, why?? Lets see, he is not in the title hunt,duh, he obviously wasn't a podium finisher, they came out today (sunday) and announced that he was simply worn out. He is a guy coming off the couch from injury and is a non factor in the series and yet some of you guys think it is some sort of travesty that he didnt come out and talk to the media. I'll ask you also, what did you think about Reed pulling off the track as defending champion and not coming out and talking to Erin Bates after the race?? Im really curious. It didn't bug me to have to wait until the next day to find out what happened with him. And he was the defending champion!! (it's not a Reed thing with me either, im over that crap ). Just wondering why nobody complained much then but they are now!!

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All I heard on the live chat and all the racer-heads and forums, etc. is that Stewart is going to win and he is way better than Dungey and all that other bull****. I can't stand the arrogance of Stewart fans. Dungey and Desalle beat him. I give him credit for doing very well in the 1st moto but Larry Brooks is hiding what happened in the 2nd moto. Dungey is the man. Keep making Minnesota and all your supporters proud.

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whatever, Ist of all I wont reconsidermy point that not being picked for the MXDN would be motivation to win, not a reason to lose because he was depressed or sad or whatever. If you are faster than me but I get picked for the team are you gonna do everything in your power to beat me or sulk and lose because your sad? 2nd isnt it possible that at some point they decided to wait to see how Stewart did and then changed there minds ( which is aloud) because 1 race wasnt really enough to pick him and waiting longer was out sooo make the announcement. Whatever the reason the decision was made and I'm sure it wasnt a conspiracy to screw with JS. 3rd A good reason to speak to the press would be to stop all the speculation by fans and haters and just be real and tell it like it is.

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How about Desalle? roger D must have had wood all day. So glad to finally say Stewart got str8 smoked. No if's and's or buts. He clearly underestimated his competition. What a sore loser. Stewey, Larry brooks, and the other guys just hid in the semi, couldn't even talk to the press. What a joke. Shun him out of the sport. Dungey is doing it like michael Jordan at 22, he just cant miss. I lost more respect for stewey and Justin barcia with that dirty takeout on Dean wilson. totally uncalled for. Trey and barcia are the dirtiest passers out there. Another great ride for alessi, i think he got like 12th or 13th. believing that hype... I've never been a dungey fan but what can i say, Kids faster than a bat outa hell and completely dedicated to being a champion. He's on a roll, i'm glad he could go out there and make stewart look like a lapper. Feet off the pegs, looking all sloppy (not the fastest man on this planet). He must have been mortified when desalle went right by

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whatever , you say that james did not expect to be picked for the mxdn. so why would not being picked affect his riding? second they had a press release 2 weeks ago saying they would announce the team @ 12pm before the first moto .so what was the big suprise? you are also saying that DeCoster knew Desalle would get between Dungey and Stewart. so the gate drop must be suspect also so that could happen. if Desalle were to play the spoiler then in the second moto he should have let Dungey buy and not raced him right? Desalle could have ruined Dungey championship racing him like that , but Dungey is a man and was taking what is his and proving he is the man right now.get over it . RD5 for president 2012

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3 posts in a row by three obvious Stewart haters!!! How is one supposed to try and discuss anything with these people?? Here we go again..."smokin", that is my point champ, to say you are going to wait and see how well he does and then to "change your mind" (as you speculate) at the last minute before you have seen anything is strange to say the least. Yes, it is allowed (not aloud), but strange just the same. Time was not the issue either as apparently the deadline for entries was still 2 weeks away. "pinned" what race did you watch?? "mortified when DeSalle went right by"?? you mean after Stewart passed him and made a mistake and went down?? Oh, ok. "made him look like a lapper"?? Really?? Wow, the hate must run deep in you fellas. James did not have anything for Dungey, thats for sure, but you can bet your big talking, hatin' mouths that down the road he will have, to think otherwise is foolish!! Finally "rmzkevin", when i say he did not "expect" to be picked it meant he did not expect to be automatically picked, he wanted the chance to prove it, said it himself that he was torn because he thought Short was deserving. I need to "get over" nothing. Why will none of you contrast part-time MX rider JS not talking to the media after pulling off with defending champ CR not talking to the media after pulling off?? Do you not think that the cameras were looking for him also?? Please, somebody answer..fair is fair folks!! Or wait, are your thoughts on the subject based on hatred?

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BKR, i know we aren't buddies, but thanks, that is really all i have been trying to say here!! "rmz", nothing in that press release said anything about 12pm right before the race. Stick a fork in this one kids.....it's way done!!!! I'll be at Lakewood to support our three guys!!! Looking forward to Southwick!!

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yzf125, You said, "Act like a man and give credit where credit is due like RC did when ever he got beat and he NEVER had excuses for any of his loses" Well JS did just that after the first moto, He said " I had nothing for them" so calm down. You hate for him is showing.

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I have a lot of reading to do but to the people saying JS stunk or he is done, WAKE UP, he has been off for 7 months and did pretty well IMO, He!! he SMOKED shorty in the first moto!!! Short is a VERY weak link on the MXD team, 1st to 5th BOTH motos!! JS would be a better pick IMO, By the time the MXD rolled around he would be back in race shape. MAN I am getting so sick of watching Short go backwards EVERY WEEK!!!

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Also to anyone who thinks the 350 is to slow tell me how Clement Desalle get smoked by one every week but gave RD all he could handle for 26 min's??

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mOtOfan1, Desalle did NOT ware JS out, JS passed him pulled away, then fell at the bottom of screw U got up and tried to repass Desalle. I don't know what race U saw.

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bd200.....Barcia??? He went backward both moto's I believe, Rode out of control, Took out Wilson, Crashed 2 times and we know how you hate it when JS rides like that so why is it GREAT when Barcia rides like that??

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Decoster brought in Desalle to get between Stewart and Dungey....LMFAO!!!!

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Pinned927.. He must have been mortified when desalle went right by... U mean after JS ran him down, passed him, pulled away, fell, got repassed wile on the ground, Got up and almost passed Desalle back.... Yup i bet he was Mortified... WTF... the hate..

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BILLC, I dont remember Barcia landing on top of anyone. Barcia was alot of fun to watch this weekend. And he didnt go backwards in the first moto at all. And the way Pourcel rode the 2nd moto its not bad to get passed by a guy like that. I enjoyed the way he rode. He did not take out Wilson, it looked like he has the inside to me and Wilson stayed in to not give it up.

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Stewqart got into Dealle at the bottom of screw-u, do you call that a take-out?? Or is it O.K. when Stewie does it??

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I think all the top riders and mangers should have to sit at a press conference after every event and explain the days happenings. Mr. Whatever-I guess if I were to explain the difference between Reed and Stewart it would be that James Stewart Entertainment doesn't mind the cameras and limelight when it benefits him. Look at my cars, house and private jet. Doing his Rick James Stewart dance in his fruity spandex on his show. He is a camera hog when he wants to be. That's the difference.

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Ummmmmm bd ...........Barcia LEAD the first moto and finished 3rd.Thats going backwards to me, when he slamed Wilson he took the lead, Then TC ran him down and Warton also got him. Stwart hardly slamed Desalle,Wilson had the line and JB just ran him off the track.Saw it live and watched it again on TV. Boy TC could have gone home down 10 but cracked and now down 16. CP took 8sec off him in about 4 laps...talk about folding, Man I bet he is soooooooooooooo pizzed about that one.

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I also have a question for everyone who thinks JS should not go to the MXD and Short "Deserves" to go. Who would you want to go if RD was to get hurt?? I want to WIN i don't care who "Deserves" to go, I want the Fastest and best to go, IMO Short is NOT that. If you really feel JS should not go would you still not want him there if RD can't go? Would you let Team USA lose because you don't like JS?? Because if you go by your he "Deserves" to go I gusse we lose. Not saying JS showed he should go but He looked damn good in the first moto and will only get stronger from here.so why pick the team so soon when you might have a better pick in 2 weeks.

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Actually BillC I would rather have RC go over Stewart if Dungey got hurt. With RC riding with RD for training I'm sure he has more time on MX tracks in the past 23 months then JS. Whatever, the difference between Reed and Stewart not talking to the media is the hype that JSE, AMA and MX Sports put out for Stewart's return. When you generate that much publicity for an event you should continue with the same amount of publicity regardless of any outcome good or bad. Unless of course there is a life threatening injury where the focus should be medical attention. Reed had been in the series from the start and was having problems right after Hangtown with his performance so his pulling off, although curious, didn't garner the same interest as the return of the Fastest Man On the Planet and his dethroning of that title. James made his bed before the race but then he didn't want to lye in it.

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"BillC" Who would I rather have go if I want the win? Short no question about it. Bubba quit. I definately do not want a guy who does that on my team if I want to win. That is a definate" lose". Short has demonstrated he will do his best, so we have a shot. Bubbas been on the bike since June, if he's not ready now he won't be in a few short weeks. Bubba demonstrated why he shouldn't be on the team, he quit, he's not ready.

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Ummm, as much as I would like to see RC again, he would be in the same condition (if not worse) than Stewart. Short is a good candidate this year, he will do fine. If Shorty was to go down, I would rather see Windham or Grant taken...btw...wtf is the deal with Alessi? It can't be all the bike, or can it? Seems funny how the 350 seems underpowered in the AMA series, but right on in the GP's.

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"jDubya" and "fczook", first thanks for answering the question. BUT, it seems that you are saying that it was ok for the defending champ to avoid talking to the media to let us know why the defending champ pulled off, but it was not ok for JS to do it. WOW, your dislike really shines through on that one. I think it was just fine for both of them to choose not to come out right after the race, you two are obviously much more biased in this instance!! I would like you to follow up your response about why it was wrong for Stewart with why it was somehow ok for Reed to do it. It makes little sense.

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Two things, wouldn't you think that with all the time off that JS7 has had, that he would keep up his training to be able to go the distance? Outdoors is a whole different animal in that the track constantly changes which calls for a greater skill set and toughness to excel in versus SX. I can't imagine that the L&M team were there for him to be an also ran. Which he didn't even do. JS really should make riding his priority cause his TV show is a waste of airtime. And what ever happened to J Law? Looks like someone is wasting their money sponsoring the wrong rider.

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Guys i said IF RD GOT HURT, who takes his place??

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I will say it really isn't okay for Reed to hide away either, unless heading to the hospital or the medic tent. I do think though, that Reed isn't James Stewart. Reed was the defending champ, but just another racer. He wasn't "FMOTP" and coming back after a long time off. Plus, Stewart said this was "for the fans" but he gives them nothing, other than what his contract says he has to. Know why Bob Hannah is a Unadilla favorite? The guy used to hang out with the fans up on the hill after the races. Guy Cooper was a fan favorite because he used to get out a lawn chair after the races and chat with anyone and sign anything anybody wanted him to. I'm not saying Stewie needs to go all out like that, but it is downright anti-social to lodge up in your motorhome and sneak out unseen. Bizarre since it's all "for the fans". I know I give Stewart grief a lot of the time, but I really wish he did the right thing more so I had no material. A lot of us do.

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First it was Dungey (doesn't pass well); now BillC has a thing about Barcia and Canard. Canard "folded" because Pourcel caught him on the last lap? First, Canard was out front cruising, and it's been said over and over that once a rider (even a top pro) gets into a pace, it's hard to suddenly pick it up when someone comes up on him. Second, you were there, BillC; did you happen to see all the lappers they were dealing with in those last few laps? Clearly, Pourcel got through them better. But "folded"? The guy freakin' won the last four Nationals! You're a regular riot. And Barcia went backwards, you declare. Canard (winner of the last FOUR Nationals) was the only one who put a pass on him in the first moto. (He slid out to allow Wharton by. And BTW, Bob Hannah would have a good chuckle at your vehement condemnation of the "takeout" on Wilson.) In case you missed it above, Barcia finished second overall; Canard was first. What losers, right BillC! Yet Stewart, whose career tells us we should expect much more from than the Geico 250 riders, didn't even make it through both motos, and you're figuratively (and maybe literally, for all we know) jumping up and down to defend him. You're quickly becoming the master of the illogical. (Note: I'm not one of the people condemning Stewart, as a review of my posts above will show.)

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My follow up per request. I don't necessarily think it was OK for Reed but given the cause it is understandable, he was dealing with a medical condition. Stewart was "Tired". In my opinion that's not understandable, as I previously stated, since his return was hyped so much by not only the media, the AMA and MX Sports but by James himself. I am not a JS hater but I do agree with a lot of BKR's last line in the last post. Hey if he wants it to be all about him and do what he wants to do then fine, to each their own. But don't portray yourself as humble and racing for the fans but in reality you only care about yourself. That's two faced and I personally don't like those kind of people.

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And BillC, Andrew Short seems to be another of your targets. "Short is a VERY weak link on the MXD team, 1st to 5th BOTH motos!!" Jeez, you can't even read, apparently. On this very page(!), it tells you (and again, you were there) that he was 4-5 for fourth overall. WEAK! But let's review further. First moto, he NEVER led (wrong again, old boy). He was beaten by Dungey (U.S. #1 - NOT his competition at MXdN), DeSalle (Belgium #1 - NOT his competition at MXdN) and Stewart (DNF moto two; NOT in MXdN). So far, no problem. Moto two, he was beaten by, again, Dungey and DeSalle (again, not his competition at MXdN), Metcalfe (POSSIBLY Australia #2, depending on Reed, but BEHIND Short in the standings), and Windham (great ride, but NOT in MXdN). You're right, BillC, sounds like a "VERY weak link." (You must REALLY hate logic.)

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With the injury Stewart had, he couldn't ride the bike at all for proper training. I don't believe he's out of shape, just out of shape to ride two 30 min+2 motos in extreme heat and humidity. If all you guys ride and race as claimed, you know that what these guys do is superhuman to say the least. Stewart hasn't rode the outdoor series in over 2 yrs now, and injured on top of it. Not sure if he was getting pressure from his sponsors or the team, or just forgot the grind, but I knew he wouldn't be able to finish this race. However, after all the build up of this race, it would have been nice to hear from James. Obviously he doesn't owe anyone jack, but I don't see anything wrong with just admitting to the fans he just wasn't ready to go. As a fan, I would rather have these guys interviewed in the heat of the moment, and not when they've had time to collect their thoughts and provide a programmed speech. Part of professional sports, in my opinion.

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Unbelievable "fczook".....so now you are saying that when Chad pulled off it was because he knew that he had Epstein Barr (a medical condition) at that moment right?? He wasnt just feeling wore out, or weak or anything huh?? So in your opinion thats different than Stewart just feeling whipped and feeling like maybe it wasn't in his best interest to stay out there and risk an injury?? He said the week before in an interview that the physical aspect of his return had not come along as fast as he wanted it too, so for him to play it safe and pull off was the right thing to do in his mind. You really cant find it in yourself to understand that?? BKR, if it was "anti-social" for stewart to "lodge up and sneak out unseen", there is absolutely no way you cannot say the same thing about Reed. I just cant believe you guys still try and make it sound like it is any different. Slim, that is exactly what he said after the first moto on the podium......first words were " IM TIRED".......then he said something to the effect of "what the hell, i'll do the best i can"........what do you people want from the guy in his first race back??

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Sef, isn't there a chance that Shorty will meet up with DeSalle in the MXDN?? I cant remember how those moto pairings go!! I have a good feeling we will get 110% effort out of Andrew Short in Colorado, though!!

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Whatever, Why do you hate america?

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BILLC, I dont think Canard faded, he ran BOTH motos. Pourcel ran about 10 minutes of the first moto, crashed and rested the rest of the time. He wasnt hurt, just bruised up some. So Pourcel should have been in better shape the 2nd moto. And I dont think Barcia rammed Wilson very hard, and I still think it wasnt a dirty move. But 2nd overall for Barcia, he rode well. Same for Canard, he rode good too. No I dont think Stewie should go. Why take a chance and hope he is in race shape after not racing for so long. ?When you know Shorty is already there?? I wouldnt take that chance. If Stewie wants to race the Des Nations so bad, where was he last year??

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"whatever", I am not a Stewart hater. I dont hate any of the racers. I love this sport and I appreciate the speed and dedication it takes to race at that level. I agree with you that some people are gonna hate on a rider no matter what the facts are. I think in defending your favorite rider you come up with alot of excuses for Stewart. Please admit that saying Desalle was brought over to get between Dungey and Stewart was stretching it a bit. The announcement of the MXDN riders before the race didnt change the way Stewart raced that day. I posted earlier that only 2 guy's were better than JS that 1st moto. Maybe he wasnt in race shape for the 2nd moto or his wrist hurt. We dont know because James wouldnt tell us...no big deal lets move on. I appreciate you correcting me on the aloud/allowed thing. Inoticed it after I posted but I thought with all the poor spelling on this site no one would care. You got me on that one champ.

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Anyone else remember the trouble big bubbles gave Mike Browns mechanic and Brownie back when they were on 125's?Always complaining about something.I do give bubbles credit for making the other "factory teams" looks like crap on TV.Some teams really need a shake up in their rigs.JLAW and bubbles were sighted together in Boston sipping Green Tea -talking about what to do in 2011.....some of these comments are as good as the racing was! PS:Honda-give Regal a shot before Geico snatches him up!!!! Delete

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Sef154 TC said it himself, "i saw CP coming and got tight" Maybe floded was to strong a word for you but pretty much the same thing IMO. The other things were for bd200, He said JB did not go backwards, 1st to 3rd is backwards no matter how you try to spin it. On the "take out move" again to bd200 sef, he slams JS for aggressive riding and crashin to much but loves JB, I find that funny. I never have a problem with aggressive riding and took heat from most on here when RV slamed Rd in SX, Hey that what he had to do so don't paint me the other way. Not defending JS either just pointing out the hypocrisy on here somtimes, whats OK for one guy makes another a jerk. As for short in the first moto..OH no I made a mistake (like obama going to 57 states) either way he goes BACKWARDS more than he goes forward. If your fine with that so be it, I think that its sad to see a Factory Honda guy going backwards almost evey race. He!! people on here bash JS but he kicked Shortys butt in the first moto after not racing for 7 months. It should not have happen IMO.

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BD CP did not run 10min first moto, He crashed the first lap, about half way thru I believe. Did he tell you he was not hurt bd?? Is shorty already there?? Why does he fade every moto if he is in race shape bd??

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I think the pizza guy would have punched 'boogercharlie' in the face, then taken his television, and drove away eating the pizza. just my opinion!

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Short may be in one of the same motos as DeSalle, whatever, but Dungey will be there, too, and so long as Dung beats DeSalle, all Andrew has to do is beat Belgium's MX3 rider (and everybody else's MX3). I don't see that as a stretch, especially with the starts he's been getting. BillC, I don't know what "floded" is (is it really that hard to read your post before clicking "comment"?), and I was a little bummed that Canard gave up those six points on the last (next to last?) lap, but pulling back 22 points on the day is HARDLY a fold. And are you really comparing RV's t-bone of Dungey in SX -- which took them BOTH down, as I recall -- to a stuff pass by Barcia Saturday? I already explained my case for Shorty in MXdN to you, but all you can say is "He fades; he fades; he fades." Second in points. More SX/MX points combined than any other rider for the past three seasons combined! What is Honda thinking?!

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Whatever—I never said it was right that Reed did not address the media. I have twice posted “ I think all the top riders and mangers should have to sit at a press conference after every event and explain the days happenings”. I do see a difference in an entertainment business/racer-JS-E and a racer CR. You asked and that’s the best I can come up with.

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OK Whatever "Uncle". Chad should have spoken to the media after he pulled off. OK? James should have too. And come on guy's the whole Stewart vs. Short selection it's for the MX3 ride. It's been a long time since we've been able to send the #1 and #2 MX riders as a team. I mean I think Tedesco is great but his selection the past two years should have raised a few more eyebrows than Short's. Those that still think Stewart should be going don't take all your money to Vegas or you'll end up broke.

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"sef154", Canard gave up 3 points not 6. Unless I'm missing something.

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BILLC, actually Pourcel did tell me he wasnt hurt. He called me personnely too. You are an as@, such a freakin' tool. If he was hurt he wouldnt have ridden the way he did. God your a tool. Always starting crap when there isnt any. Get a life please, I never slammed Stewie for aggresive riding, you again are wrong. I slammed Stewie for landing on top of other riders. Thats not being aggresive, its being blind or dumb. Very bad misstakes. And not being a man and apologizing for it. I dont think what Barcia did was a misstake, I think he meant to get into that turn aggresive and take the lead, period. I never said anything about Stewie getting into Desalle was wrong. I pointed out that you rippped Barcia for his move, and Stewie is fine by you. And yes BILLC, you are defending Stewie, just like always, quit lying. And quit starting crap, I'm done with your crap already. Argue with someone else.

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Give me a break "bd" what do you mean "where was he last year"?? Really??? REALLY?? He was NOT asked last year.....remember he did not race at all last year and yet you guys thought he was disrespecting his country by not going. HE DID NOT RACE AT ALL. SO, this year he comes out to do a few races and yet you think he definitely should NOT go this year. (remember, i agree with SHort being picked). So your 2 separate arguments dont jive "bd". Dog hi8m for NOT going last year when he did not race and was not asked.....and yet say no way should he have been considered this year....pretty weak man!!!

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oh my "bd", i just noticed another comment you made that you totally contradict yourself with.....you say...."No I dont think Stewie should go. Why take a chance and hope he is in race shape after not racing for so long." Holy crap, that coming from the guy who asked in his previous post "where was he last year".......do you mean you think he should have taken the chance of not being in shape after not racing for so long last year.......but not this year?? Hmmmmmmm

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haha fczook, i swear that i was about ready to call "uncle" on this one earlier too......very funny that you used the same word!!!! It's all good man!!!!

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I dont hate America "madkaw"...not at all.....i just get a little irked with her sometimes!!!

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Whilst I think the only team that has a realistic chance of beating the USA is France, could we please this year say that whoever wins in front is the fastest rider in the world (regardless of how his team does)?? CAUSE.... Cairolli is the fastest man on this planet called Earth!! He is faster and physically stronger than Desalle (the reason why RD5 pulled away from jet lagged Desalle hehehehehe) On a more serious note, I dont understand what this 'chagrin' is all about in Fox's comments. Did Desalle say something in the post race interviews?

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.....and finally, thanks for the response sef, i believe Shorty is capable of handling that, we will see i guess!!

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Hey smokin, if Canard held on for the win in moto two, he's 10 points down; he didn't, and he trails by 16 ... thus, six points.

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I don't think it is okay for Reed or any other rider to hide away as denoted by my quote that went something like this..."I will say it really isn't okay for Reed to hide away either, unless heading to the hospital or the medic tent". Reading and comprehension, sir. I think all the teams and riders should be required to comment or give a little info for the day if it is asked for. Hey, how about Alessi this year? Tony has put a gag order on Mike, he hasn't spoken to anyone all season long. In fact, he wasn't even available for the post-race speed trap comments on TWMX.com. Not right! Imagine if the Yankees lose in the playoffs and they all run into the clubhouse and lock the doors!!! Then later sneak out to the team bus and back to the hotel with their jackets over their heads. Actually, that would be pretty hilarious.

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BKR, to say "I will say it really isn't okay for Reed to hide away either, unless heading to the hospital or the medic tent" does leave him a little bit of an out as he did end up having a "medical condition"!! Also, when you say "it is downright anti-social to lodge up in your motorhome and sneak out unseen", you are referring entirely to JS. So i really dont have a reading comprehension problem, sir. It's kind of like saying that "Johnny" and "Joey" are both equally responsible for stealing candy at the store and neither should have done it, but then going on to add that if that little thief "Joey" thinks he is going to get away with being an entitled little selfish creep who thinks it's ok to take whats not his then he has another thing coming, the worthless little punk only thinks about himself!! That is not equal criticism for the same crime, And that was my point!!! Anywho...........

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So which was it then, did James go to the hospital or the medic tent? A medical condition does not preclude someone from talking to the media so I gave no "out" with what I said. Not a sore throat, a bout of poison ivy, sore neck, or whatever other medical condition that DOES not involve you going to the hospital or medic tent. Clear enough? Epstein Barr while serious, does not mean you can't talk to the media for a few moments. At the time he had a sore neck, supposedly, as I would think he did not have that diagnosis yet (or why would he be racing?). Did you not just see my post above that says ALL riders and teams should be required to comment to the media when requested? ALL!...that would include Chad Reed.

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"sef154' ok I get it now. I was looking at it like Canard went into the 2nd moto 13 points behind and ended up 16 behind after the 2nd moto hence 3 points. So I guess we could say he lost 3 points but gave up the possibilty of 6. I think I'm confusing myself lol.

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"whatever" nothing for me? You hurt my feelings!

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ARGHHHHHH!!! Geez!! Those were your words not mine, ya know, the ones about Reed not hiding away except for a medical condition or a trip to the hospital!! You said a medical condition does not preclude someone from talking to the media....but you also said "it's not okay to hide away UNLESS heading to the hospital or the medic tent. Stewart didn't do either, and i never said he did. I do see the comments you made about all teams being required, and they are fair and equal comments. The only part i was commenting on is when you make one of those comments and then go on to personally criticize one person additionally. And it's not me defending him, cuz he'll be just fine, it's me asking, why the selective criticism? It's good man, i see your trying to make it a global assessment, but it is just in your nature to throw in a few extra jabs.......and hell thats fair enough too i guess............call it a draw???

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Smokin.....im so sorry man, i just really did not have much to say to you......but i have not made excuse one for anything about Stewarts day on saturday. My initial comment about DeSalle was not even an excuse for how things went down....not at all. I'll go swiss on my comment about that, as i may have been a little hasty with it, but i dont think such a thing is out of the realm of possibilities in this sport. It gets talked about way too much over the years for it to be. But also, in that first moto at least, DeSalle was the only rider who was in the lead pack other than Dungey and Stewart. I'll word it this way, Roger DeCoster knows riders and knows capabilities and can probably tell how well a rider from across the way will fare if they come over here, in that respect, i'll bet DeSalle was exactly where he wanted him to be. Aint nothin' wrong with that either. Feel better?? I do!! haha. i just bought my tickets to go see Roger Waters perform "The Wall" live this fall....im in a very good mood right now!! This is still fun on here...but oh so mentally tiring!!!

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yeah, but what about Steward and and um Chas Reed? oh and Bryan Dungery?? HUH? HUH?? REALLY!! REALLY???? sent from my blackberry

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"whatever", next you'll be telling me that Bob Hannah slowed down and let Broc Glover by to let Yamaha win the championship over Danny Laport and Suzuki.....and dont be smokin any of those non filter cigarettes at the concert!

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Once again it's BD200 who starts the name calling.... LOL Sef154 because you always like to break down my post's for spelling and what not I will break down your post this time. If you want to be Technical about it TC gave up 3 points, he could have gained 3 or lost 3, first is 25 and 2nd is 22 dif of 3 points so he did NOT give up 6 points.He was down 13 at the start and ended up down 16 so its 3 points... see it?? Funny how you even aurgued your point with someone too. So I suck at spelling and NEVER augue about it, I guess you are just as piss poor at math as I at spelling.. Now thats FUNNY.So maybe next time instead of making fun of my post just stick to the topic because you are not perfict either. Just for you because I know u like things just right. Must be hard for you to read your post before clicking comment too.... Then again I guess you thought u were right like always.

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Arghhh is right, Whatever. My words were not if you have a "medical condition" they were if you are heading to the "medic tent". Going to Doc Bodnar's rig usually involves X-Rays or some sort of serious medical issue that needs immediate attention, broken bones, dislocations, etc. So I gave Reed no wiggle room unless he did so at Millville, which he may have I don't know. I doubt it though. Your frustration is in not comprehending my posts, because you take them to a place they aren't supposed to be and then want them to stay there even as I try to bring them back. If you would accept that I have the same thought whether Reed pulls off without explanation and hides that I do if Stewart does it, you wouldn't be so frustrated. The only reason Stewart was talked about this week is because it is current events. Reed and Millville were over a month ago.

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BKR, you have to remember that you are arguing with someone whose conspiracy theory was that Roger Decoster brought in a Euro (Desalle) with the plan of him slowing any of Stewarts progress for an attack on Dungey during the race, and someone who is missing the ENTIRE point for people being so irritated with Stewart fans and us being excited that Stewart did not fare too well at 'Dilla. Dungey fans are happy because of all the Stewart fans who trashed our comments and belittled us for claiming that a national race, after having nearly 24 months off, is a completely different stomping ground and that Stewart would not be able to ride at that level immediatley, granted I did not entirely have the confidence that Dungey was ready for someone with Stewarts abilities, I'm hoping that Dungey sweeps the rest of the series but if Stewart does take an overall I can only imagine how the boards will light up, but if Dungey were to take the next 3 overalls even after clinching at Southwick then what?, huh? what excuse will the Stewart hopefulls have? Look at what Dungey has done his rookie season, something that no one has EVER done, something that Stewart DID NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO DOING, but all the Stewart fans will come on here and claim that Stewart had RC to deal with, but then these same fans will turn around and claim that RC was no match for Stewart, quite contradicting huh?

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BILLC, I call it like I see it. And WHATEVER, I dont know how I contradicted myself for saying"Where was Stewie last year?"" I was refering to if he wants to ride the Des Nations so badly now, why did he care so little about it last year?? He said last year to send someone else who was more deserving because he hadnt been racing. And he hasnt been racing this year either, and now he wants to go all a sudden. Thats what I was refering too, how is that contradicting myself?? BILLC, I dont care how you spell, as long as you get your point accross. I just get tired of you making a point and having to be a smartas@ about it. Like "How do you know, did he tell you that ", its childish.

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THAT'S what you've got for me, BillC? Could I have explained myself more clearly? There were two possible outcomes at the end of the second 250 moto (barring a crash by either rider). If Canard held on for the win in moto two, he's 10 points down; he didn't, and he trails by 16 ... thus, SIX points. Pourcel GAINED three points and Canard LOST three points. Three plus three equals SIX. Get it? Regarding the championship, it was a SIX POINT SWING, NOT THREE. I know you spell like a first grader; apparently your math is about the same.

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I will try to take it down a notch bd, But when u say "He was not hurt" maybe u should put IMO after it?? Because my guess would be NONE of us really know if he was or not. He!! I lost my ACL in the first turn moto 1 and races the 2nd moto, went from 33rd to 12th with a blown out knee in that moto because I needed the point so CP could be hurt so unless you know for a fact you should put IMO in there.. Deal?

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Well SEF154 untill the MOTO is OVER he is down 13 points, Now he is down 16...Thats 3 ..Get it?? If we use YOUR math I guess CP lost 50 points in Moto 1 because he was in first so he lost 25 points and TC got 25 points but some how CP still left the place 16 point up.... man he is crafty!!! See... a swing in points is NOT real, The points get added after the moto... 13 + 3 = 16... arnt u the one who hate it when peole say "IF" and "COULD HAVE"....

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BillC-Stewart did get wore out by Desalle. Coming into this race Stewart said he would be happy to get second. He knew that Dungey was on his game. In the race #7 spent the first six laps trying everything in his power to get up to and around Desalle, expending all of his energy in the process. You say he "reeled" him in. I don't think so. Reeling in is what 377 did to 38 in the second 250 moto. Stewart was behind Desalle from the start. He did make the pass and pull away. Because he was so wore out he made a simple mistake falling in a corner. When he got up, if you remember correctly, Desalle was right on his ass. Desalle then passed him but only after James was rolling. James then spent the rest of the moto working his a@@ off trying to catch and repass 463 to no avail, but with a valiant effort. I still have respect for the guy, he gave props to Dungey after the first moto. He tried as hard as he could. I totally agree about Short. He does go backwards all the time. Just imagine when Metcalfe gets a good start, Shorty will have nothing for him either. He will also be in the MXdN I would imagine. I wish all of us could come to an agreement to not even mention JLaw anymore. He really doesn't deserve the attention.

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It's good to know you're not above fantasy when it comes to defending your defenseless points, Billy. You are correct that until the moto was over, Canard trailed Pourcel by 13 points. However, by the time it came down to Canard or Pourcel for the moto win there was NO WAY the difference would be 13 at the end of the moto -- short of the two taking each other out and both finishing out of the points. Otherwise, there were only two possible outcomes: 10 points difference or 16. By passing Canard, Pourcel assured himself that it would be the latter. Yes, CP made up three points on Canard in that race ... but the pass created a six-point swing. A "swing in points is NOT real," you say? Really? Just because the math is over your head doesn’t mean it’s not real. It never ceases to amaze me what BS you'll type in your feeble attempts not to lose an argument -- even when you create the argument out of thin air!

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You poor poor dear "robj118".......so your entitlement comes from the fact that some people have expressed opposing opinions to your opinions on here??? It's what we do on here bud!!! You and your comments are no less irritating than anybody else's comments mister!! Nature of the beast on these boards!!! What the hell makes you think that your opinions are any more authorized and welcome than others are??? Same goes for me too, once again, you need to accept the process here!! BKR, thank you........this statement..." If you would accept that I have the same thought whether Reed pulls off without explanation and hides that I do if Stewart does it, you wouldn't be so frustrated.".....is exactly what i needed to hear from you to clear up my whole "issue" with the topic, and to make the madness stop!! Perfect!! Dare i bring up the fact that you called me out once in the past saying that past incidents were also still relevant for discussion on here, even though you made this comment above.."The only reason Stewart was talked about this week is because it is current events. Reed and Millville were over a month ago"?? Nah, i wont go there.....haha!!

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over my head?? LMFAO!! At NO point was TC within 10 points of CP, IF so show me the AMA's paper work on that. U argue he was so prove it... U can't because its a "possibility" but its not real, The points are added after the moto. I understand your point and have from the start but it is still a lose of 3 points, not 6 like you say. Swing or not its 3 points dif from the start of the race till now.If you want to talk about a swing in points CP was in 5th or 6th on the first lap so why don't you call it a 20 point swing if thats how you do the math? You talk about me... 13 to 16 = 3 points no matter how you swing!!

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"BillC/sef154", easy guy's you are both correct about the points. If the moto ends and CP doesnt pass Canard then the gap is 10 points not 16. But once the checkers fly and the offical points are recorded Trey went from 13 down to 16 down so he officially lost 3 points. Neither point can be argued...moot! sef was just saying that he wished TC hadnt got passed by CP so he would only be 10 points behind. BillC is just saying that what happened once the motos were over and points tallied TC went from 13 down after the 1st moto to 16 down after the 2nd. Now shake and be friends!

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BiilC, I think sef was saying that CP only had control of the 1 point swing when he let CP get by.

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LOL smokin, I guess Sef would say on the first lap that TC is the points leader if CP was back far enough... he might have been at one point.. So I guess CP lost the points lead last weekend. LOL this is FUN!!

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Correction, I meant TP only had control of one point swing ...I need to proof read!

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BillC, was just wondering what you thought of how long it took Stewart to get by DeSalle......very Dungey-like, don't ya think?

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Yes Whatever, it is okay to still bring up past events. I wasn't criticizing anyone for it, just pointing out why it is not a hot topic right now. I also pointed out how Alessi all year has been avoiding the media as a rule. I guarantee if he were to somehow win a moto (not sure how he'd do that but....), he'd be begging people to come interview him.

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LOL BRK kinda like RD, Except not in as good a shape yet. I was VERY impressed with Desalle, took RD 27mins to get by him moto2... Very impressive. Don't count JS out yet, I thought for his first moto out doors in 2 years and first race of any kind in 7 months he did pretty well, Smoked a lot of guys firsat moto, sans one slip could have been 2nd..not to bad..... BRK YOU skipped over my question way above. " to anyone who thinks the 350 is to slow tell me how Clement Desalle gets smoked by one every week but gave RD all he could handle for 26 min's?? Thoughts on that BKR??

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OH NO theres An Open Letter From James Regarding Unadilla and MXoN, But ya can't post on it, Darn that would have been a good time.

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OH NO theres An Open Letter From James Regarding Unadilla and MXoN, But ya can't post on it, Darn that would have been a good time.Looks like he got lied to about the MXD.

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Here's what I said, folks: "I was a little bummed that Canard gave up those six points on the last lap." BillC, you can manipulate that by going back to the first turn, first lap, first moto of the year ... whatever you want. The fact remains that when Canard and Pourcel had distanced themselves from the rest of the field by the last lap of the second moto at Unadilla, there were two possible outcomes: Pourcel would leave with a 10 point lead or a 16 point lead. Thus, when Pourcel made the pass, it was a six point swing -- not from moto one to moto two, but in the instance when the pass was made. I don't know how much clearer I can make it. But BillC insists, because of my statement, that I'm "piss poor at math." These are the kind of arguments he creates over and over again ... along with things like "Dungey's not a good passer," "Canard folded," and "Short doesn't deserve to be named to the MXdN team." (I'm still waiting for a comeback on the logic I provided as to why he IS the best pick AT THIS TIME - which is, after all, when the decision has been made. But not really, because I know he'll come back with more hot air.)

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Sef I NEVER said Short doesn't deserve to be named to the MXdN team., I said I feel JS would be a better pic so who is trying to manipulate things now?? as for the things i said."Dungey's not a good passer," "Canard folded," I can't have an opion? Who are you?? How is that starting an argument?? I can say what ever I want, Its u or someone else who tells me I am crazy or wrong who is starting an argument. If you think I am wrong you can say that and there is no argument untill you say i am crasy or you make fun of my spelling to try and show that YOU are right. At this time short is the right pick.. BUT they were NOT going to pic for a few more weeks Thats MY point SEF... why can't you see that?? If the first moto shows were JS will be in 2 or 3 weeks he is the BETTER pick. How did a guy thats been out that long smoke short?? It should not have happen IMO.

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Re: the open letter from Stewart. First he says, "This decision (to race the remaining Nationals) was based on a few reasons; first and foremost was my own desire to race again, along with the fact that I owed it to both my fans and my sponsors to come back after spending so much time on the injured list this year." But then he says, "So after all that work from me and my team to come back in order to make the des Nations, just like that, the rug was pulled out from under me with no warning." Which is it, James, did you come back because of your "desire to race again," and because you "owed it to both [your] fans and ... sponsors to come back", or "in order to make the des Nations"? I'm just a little confused, is all.

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They already picked for des Nations, Bill; I thought you were there. Is that some more of your "inside information" that 'they were NOT going to pic for a few more weeks." And you say "others" (including me) start the arguments (I just love that one), but wouldn't it be just as easy to say that ridiculous comments in a thread with moto fans is what really gets things going?

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Well sef ithe letter said there was a few reason so why are you questioning it after you wrote it?? I will break it down for ya, The MXD was 1 of the "FEW" reasons he came back...make sence now?? Ridiculous comments...in you opion....OH I for got thats all that matters to you.

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That's rich, Bill. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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And yes, I pick on your spelling when you're trying to be the "expert" out here, but I NEVER use that as my basis for arguing against your point. I make my own points as clearly as I can (but apparently not clear enough for you to understand).

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Do YOU believe that it was in James' best interest to say, "I feel like I was straight-up lied to" about des Nations? Ever hear the one about burning bridges...?

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Here it is SEF,PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) is pleased to report that American motocross fans will find out more about AMA Team USA for the 2010 RedBull FIM Motocross of Nations at the Rockstar Energy Unadilla National, round 9 of the Lucas Oil AMA Pro Racing Motocross Championships on Saturday, Aug. 14. "We have some exciting plans for this year's roster for the Motocross of Nations," said AMA Director of Racing Joe Bromley. "The Motocross of Nations represents the pinnacle of international motocross competition, and we're looking forward to fielding a team of riders that is sharp, prepared and dedicated to keeping the United States on top at this prestigious event. Unadilla, one of America's true classic motocross facilities, is perfectly suited for making this announcement." More details about the exact time and location for the announcement will be available at Unadilla on the day of the national. They said they will tell us more that day, NOT say the team...

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Proble not the best thing to say but if its the TRUTH it should be said. If he does the outdoors next year and is winning he will go either way and he will never have a hard time finding a ride if he stays fast so if its the truth he SHOULD say it... You feel he should not tell the truth?? Why??

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And I thought I patched things up!

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Good luck with that, smokin. Bill, you ended your quotes before the "More details about the exact time and location for the announcement will be available at Unadilla on the day of the national" ... which makes a big difference. Is that just more bad punctuation? "Time and location" could have referred to time of day and location at the venue (finish line, podium, etc.) Where does the "'they were NOT going to pic for a few more weeks" part come in? (That was your statement.) I didn't see that at all. And how do you know what James is saying is the truth? Could he have misinterpreted what he was told? (You do it all the time.) As for never having a hard time finding a ride, Alessi was a winning rider last year. Where were all HIS offers this year? It's NEVER a good idea to piss off people who could affect your future. But that's his problem, not mine.

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Why the hell cant it be for BOTH reasons "seffer"??? You are getting hyper-critical again. You must have grown weary of your rather neutral and quite fair attitude about James lately, oh well, it was nice to see you try for awhile anyway!!

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BillC, I missed that one. Hmmm, why does DeSalle get smoked by a 350 every week? Maybe because he just rode really good this weekend? He beat Cairoli in a moto at the USGP too. Maybe he likes America more than Euroland? I don't know. Are you saying Cairoli is faster than Dungey or that the 350 is the best bike out there? I say that DeSalle may have had the ride of his life this weekend. Maybe he is coming on the way Canard came on midseason here. Let's see what happens at the remaining GPs.

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Cairoli hasn't beaten DeSalle every week. DeSalle started slow this season, which allowed Cairoli to build a sizeable lead, but Clement has been getting stronger as the season has progressed (including beating Cairoli a couple of times overall and the moto win at GH) ... I defended Stewart against the outlandish posts out here, but he shot himself in the foot with his "Open Letter." It's like politics with you, whatever. To a conservative, everybody to the left is a stinkin' liberal, and to a liberal, everybody to the right is a stinkin' conservative. To whatever, any negative statement about Stewart makes one "hyper-critical," or a hater.

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"Whatever" you must live in your own fantasy world, I am beginning to think that when you read someones post, that instead of actually understanding what they are talking about you create your own twisted misconception of what they were actually trying to get across, as multiple people had to break down their own posts for you in order to understand what they were talking about, while I haven't had a problem reading a persons opinions or thoughts and understanding what they said. You meanwhile have no problem justifying in your own mind the flagrant accusations of Decoster bringing in Desalle, im sorry but I just can't get over that statement........and my opinion, when have I ever said that my opinion was more important than that of any others on here? although when someone makes statements such as you have it's not very hard to take their posts more seriuosly than yours, but yet here I am again wasting my time arguing with you....BTW, just read the new transworld magaizine where they interviewed Stewart for his return, and I quote "I'm not ready to come back unless I know I can win" sorry, try again.

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Lets not forget those days of Stewarts celebration dances as well. The only rider to perform such acts as "the sprinkler" and "the worm" and what not, other than Ronnie Renner, just embarassing for our sport and completely unecessary. How do you respect someone like that, I don't EVER, EVER remember RC or Dungey doing something that idiotic in their entire PROFESSIONAL CAREERS, they are all suppose to be "professionals" out there, J-Law excluded because we all know that's just some clown that managed to get by security and onto the track.

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sef154, yes of course the CP pass of TC effected a 6 point swing in the points. With 2 laps to go, TC is in front of CP and if the race ends like that, he is only 10 points down. If CP passes, he will be 16 points down, thus the pass is worth 6 points to their season points DIFFERENCE (for which in racing the term is "swing"). To others reading this, this is not an "opinion" issue; swing is the term and that is how it is calculated. Been that way in all racing and has been so for a long time. It's a pretty settled issue. Just saying..

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"robj118"...SHUT UP KID, NO REALLY.....SHUT UP and go study!!! Your first post is hypocritical because that is EXACTLY what i think other people struggle with also. You see young lad, the problem is that i dont harbor the same dislike (though denied by most) for Stewart that you and your pen pals here do, im in the minority, and i couldn't love it more. Now, get to bed, you have school tomorrow!!

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"Elsinore", isn't that what I said?

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SEF for someone who likes to pick on spelling and what not you don't read to well, WHERE did I say I KNOW this is the truth?? I SAID "IF" this is true. This is how it starts with you all the time, YOU make stuff up or take a coment to the extrem of what it could mean EX: RD is not the best passer... YOU say I said RD can't pass... See...I NEVER said that either. The short thing also, I NEVER said he did not deserve to go like you say I did. If you can find any of them I will give you $1000. So CALM down.

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Whatever, it's summer and school is like you right now......no class! That's a Fat Albert moment, just goofing. But that first post by Robj118 was so spot on that I didn't respond because it covered just about every aspect I could think of. It felt like I was reading my own thoughts. Others have experienced this as well, how you get things just a bit twisted and then start arguing against that twist you created. Instead of arguing the original point, the person is thrown into a position of arguing that it isn't even what they posted, or how they feel. Example: how many posts it took me to get you to feel that I do not like James or Chad avoiding the media.

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So BKR DeSalle just had a good day?? LMAO!!... Had a good one last year too...Hmmm Pretty lucky guy I guess... Come all the way over here 2 times and Ride like the wind both times!! I am Not saying 222 is better than RD but he has around a 100 point lead over DeSalle soooo the guy must be pretty damn fast. SEF Reed and short Beat RD and BT came within a 1/2 lap of beating him too so what your point??

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Regarding "the truth," BillC, isn't your argument about Stewart based on the presumption that it's true? I'm simply saying, what if it isn't? As for the Dungey/pass thing, you've gone on and on about how much better others have been. As I read that, and I think, "But hasn't he passed everyone who's been in front of him this year?" I get sick of reading your proclamations. Same with the Short deal. On and on with, "Wouldn't Stewart be the better choice?" Given that they made the decision NOW (which is later than ever), I say, simply, NO. BTW, DeSalle got third last year in ONE moto; he was an also ran in the other. My point regarding Cairoli and DeSalle? Only that Cairoli has been beaten in several motos this year -- a few by DeSalle. After Hangtown, Dungey's been beaten what? One moto? Hardly evidence that Cairoli is superior.

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Once again you mis the hole point Sef and again you try to put words in my mouth..."Hardly evidence that Cairoli is superior".... Ummm Who said he was?? Man u are a piece of work.

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"Regarding "the truth," BillC, isn't your argument about Stewart based on the presumption that it's true? I'm simply saying, what if it isn't?" No, Its based on what the guy has done and give the guy a shot to show he is back. We know what Short is doing, He has been doing it all year, for years. JS beat him by a LOT first moto, How could ya think he is that far off doing that in both motos?? Lets see, give him a few weeks. Also what is the rush to pick a team?? Others still have not picked and they have a LONG way to travel. Bottom line like I said before is I just want the BEST team.

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Back to the RD passing thing one more time, (maybe u will read it this time) I NEVER said RD was not a GREAT rider, U keep saying "But hasn't he passed everyone who's been in front of him this year" NO crap!! That has nothing to do with what I said, All I EVER said is he is not the "BEST" at passing, Because "IMO" a great passer does it like RV, RC, and others, Blow past as soon as you get to them, RD does not do that, YES he gets the job done most of the time but to ME he is not as good as others and that is My opion, WHY do you have such a hard time with that??

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You also say "BTW, DeSalle got third last year in ONE moto; he was an also ran in the other" WOW you PRASE shorty for 3rds but for someone else is just one moto and pish pish, well he only rode 2 moto's... On a NON factory bike so I would say thats not to bad on a track he has NEVER seen. Like I said before what is great for one is crap for another and here is more proof.

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Unlike whatever (and seemingly you, BillC), I simply state my opinion; I don't blow a gasket and go on and on and on about it. Talk about putting words in someone's mouth. I've stated many times out here that I see no evidence that GP riders are superior to AMA riders. I simply restated that opinion. I'm also stating that Stewart's "Open Letter" does not necessarily represent "the truth." You stated that "if its the TRUTH it should be said." I disagree. (It helps a reader's comprehension when you put the quotes in the right place, btw.) And I'm lukewarm at best on the idea that a guy who's been SX-only for two years should have a slot held for him (well past the normal selection period) if he decides to come race the last few Nationals (it could be argued for that sole purpose). So I disagree with you there, I guess. As for the Dungey/passing thing, I'm not going to go back and research previous threads, but it seems to me that you're "softening" your stance now (again) for the sake of "winning" an argument. And my comment on DeSalle in no way suggests, as you put it, "pish pish" (whatever the hell that means), but it was a response to your statement that he came "all the way over here 2 times and Ride like the wind both times." There was no comparison made by me to Short, but it was YOU who put the words in my mouth. Over and over, you shift and twist and manipulate and take everything personally (even if it's not even about you). You'd make a great politician!

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Well SEFER when U reply to me and say " BTW, DeSalle got third last year in ONE moto; he was an also ran in the other. My point regarding Cairoli and DeSalle? Only that Cairoli has been beaten in several motos this year -- a few by DeSalle. After Hangtown, Dungey's been beaten what? One moto? Hardly evidence that Cairoli is superior." That would imply U think that I think Cairoli is superior.. Don't ya think?? On to this "all the way over here 2 times and Ride like the wind both times" That is what BKR imlplyed by saying he had the race of his life and you said about the same thing, Thats not how I feel it was a responce to his "ride of his life or how ever he worded it. on to this now,Not softening my stance now, I said the same thing many times on that thread, (maybe u were to bussy corecting my spelling and missed it) on to this one "There was no comparison made by me to Short, but it was YOU who put the words in my mouth" Who got mad at me for talking about short fading?? he gets 2nd, 3rd, 4ths so i was not putting words in your mouth, You down plyed Desalles 3rd but yell at me for picking on short for 3rds..Get it?

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Man you guy's will argue over anything lol. No one can say if Cairoli is faster or slower than Dungey or anyone else he hasnt raced against. I think we can all agree that Dungey is at the top of the field here in the US and Cairoli in Europe. On Dungey's passing imo he seems to be doing just fine in that area but if BillC doesnt care for his technique thats his opinion and he s welcome to have it. Sometimes those fast passes get guy's in trouble though ie RV.

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Smokin I thing sef and i agree that we don't know who is faster between 222 and Rd. Do u expect to get payed for consuling us?? LOL

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What's funny is I think even when you guy's agree on something you still argue back and forth because one of you didnt express themselves the way the other did lol. Hey you guy's make it interesting and imo it sure beats talkin about baseball. I just call it like I see it.

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