by Steve Cox
Washougal Race Report
Saturday, July 24, 2010 | 11:59 PM
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In this article…
Riders
- Tyla Rattray
- Josh Grant
- Ryan Sipes
- Ryan Dungey
- Martin Davalos
- Justin Barcia
- Chris Pourcel
- Chad Reed
- Nick Wey
- Kyle Cunningham
- Kyle Regal
- Mike Alessi
- Vince Friese
- Jake Weimer
- Nico Izzi
- Blake Wharton
- Matt Lemoine
- Trey Canard
- Dan Reardon
- Tommy Hahn
- Eli Tomac
- Broc Tickle
- Brett Metcalfe
- Andrew Short
- Darryn Durham
- Kyle Chisholm
- Kevin Windham
- Dean Wilson
- Tommy Searle
- Chris Pourcel
- Justin Brayton
Races
Last week, we talked a bit about momentum. This week, all we can say is "ditto". Right now, anyone in the way of the Ryan Dungey or Trey Canard freight trains are getting run over. This pattern continued at the retro national at Washougal today, where Dungey again went 1-1 on the day, and Canard for the first time did the same, winning both motos going away.
450
The first motos of the day again went to the 450cc class, and Honda Red Bull Racing teammates Andrew Short and Kevin Windham started 1-2, with a third rider, Windham’s other teammate from his regular team, Brett Metcalfe, running third on his GEICO Powersports Honda. Fourth on lap one was points leader Ryan Dungey over Josh Grant, Tommy Hahn, Mike Alessi, Kyle Cunningham, Nick Wey, Kyle Chisholm, and the rest of the field.
Ryan Dungey leads the championship by nearly 100 points now.
Photo: Steve Cox
Short held strong out front for the first few laps before it seemed like Dungey kicked it up a notch. First, he passed Metcalfe, then after a few laps passed Windham for second, then immediately went after Short for the lead. Short led a total of four laps before Dungey powered by the Honda rider on the big uphill and completed his pass at the top before immediately beginning to pull away for the win.
Short held on for a strong second over Metcalfe, Grant, Ryan Sipes (who started 11th), Alessi, Hahn, Chisholm, Windham and Wey.
Short led for a total of seven laps before Dungey again found his way by. This time, Short again hung on for second over Tommy Hahn, who was giving Short all he could handle. Then came Justin Brayton and Brett Metcalfe, who was feeling the effects of the heat again but hung on for fifth. Then came Wey in his best ride of the season so far over Dan Reardon, Cunningham, Windham and Chisholm.
At the end of the day, it was Dungey with his seventh overall win in a row over Short and Metcalfe. Dungey now leads the championship by 95 points over Short, Metcalfe, Grant, Ben Townley and the rest.
And speaking of Townley, he went down early in the first moto and reportedly injured his shoulder somewhat, although it’s not clear the damage just yet, or how much time – if any – he will need to take off to let it heal.
250
So far this year, Chris Pourcel has been Mr. First Moto, but at Washougal, it was Trey Canard with the holeshot to start the first moto over Dean Wilson, Jake Weimer, Justin Barcia, Blake Wharton, Darryn Durham, Nico Izzi, Tyla Rattray, Matt Lemoine, Chris Pourcel and the rest of the field.
Trey Canard scored his third victory in a row and now sits third in points with the most overall wins of anyone.
Photo: Steve Cox
While Canard pushed to establish a lead, Pourcel did the same to try and make up time on the leaders. By lap eight, Pourcel was fifth, and he kept moving forward – past Rattray, then Wharton, and then eventually by Weimer for second with four laps remaining in the moto.
Wilson attempted to force Canard wide in the first turn for moto two, but Canard refused to let him do so and held on to the holeshot over Wilson, Pourcel, Rattray, Weimer, Barcia, Martin Davalos, Wharton, Tommy Searle, and the rest of the field. An early fall by Wilson moved Pourcel up to second, but he never got close to Canard, who was setting a blistering pace up front.
At the finish it was Canard celebrating yet another moto and overall win over Pourcel, Rattray, Wharton, Davalos, Wilson, Searle, Durham, Tomac, Barcia and Weimer, who fell late in the race out of fourth place.
The 1-1 score moves Canard into second in the points, although he is still 38 points behind Pourcel. Canard now has more overall wins than anyone in the class this year, and has four moto wins to Pourcel’s eight. Everyone else who has won a moto has only won one on the season.
Washougal MX Park - Washougal, Wash.
July 24, 2010
Round 8 of 12
450 Class (Moto Finish)
- Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki (1-1)
- Andrew Short, Smithville, Texas, Honda (2-2)
- Brett Metcalfe, Australia, Honda (3-5)
- Tommy Hahn, Decatur, Texas, Suzuki (7-3)
- Nick Wey, Dewitt, Mich., Kawasaki (10-6)
- Ryan Sipes, Flaherty, Texas, Yamaha (5-11)
- Kevin Windham, Centreville, Miss., Honda (9-9)
- Kyle Chisholm, Valrico, Fla., Yamaha (8-10)
- Dan Reardon, Australia, Yamaha (12-7)
- Kyle Cunningham, Fort Worth, Texas, Yamaha (11-8)
450 Class Championship Standings
- Ryan Dungey, Belle Plaine, Minn., Suzuki, 368
- Andrew Short, Smithville, Texas, Honda, 273
- Brett Metcalfe, Australia, Honda, 257
- Josh Grant, Riverside, Calif., Yamaha, 238
- Ben Townley, New Zealand, Honda, 223
- Mike Alessi, Victorville, Calif., KTM, 219
- Chad Reed, Australia, Kawasaki, 204
- Ryan Sipes, Flaherty, Texas, Yamaha, 166
- Kyle Chisholm, Valrico, Fla., Yamaha, 158
- Kyle Regal, Kemp, Texas, Honda, 157
250 Class (Moto Finish)
- Trey Canard, Shawnee, Okla., Honda (1-1)
- Christophe Pourcel, France, Kawasaki (2-2)
- Tyla Rattray, South Africa, Kawasaki (4-3)
- Blake Wharton, Pilot Point, Texas, Honda (5-4)
- Dean Wilson, Scotland, Kawasaki (6-6)
- Jake Weimer, Rupert, Idaho, Kawasaki (3-11)
- Eli Tomac, Cortez, Colo., Honda (7-9)
- Tommy Searle, England, KTM (10-7)
- Vince Friese, Cape Girardeau, Mo., Yamaha (12-12)
- Martin Davalos, Ecuador, Yamaha (22-5)
250 Class Championship Standings
- Christophe Pourcel, France, Kawasaki, 340
- Trey Canard, Shawnee, Okla., Honda, 302
- Dean Wilson, Scotland, Kawasaki, 294
- Tyla Rattray, South Africa, Kawasaki, 286
- Justin Barcia, Ochlocknee, Ga., Honda, 212
- Blake Wharton, Pilot Point, Texas, Honda, 209
- Broc Tickle, Holly, Mich., Yamaha, 209
- Eli Tomac, Cortez, Colo., Honda, 200
- Jake Weimer, Rupert, Idaho, Kawasaki, 195
- Martin Davalos, Ecuador, Yamaha, 163
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I haven't ridden Washougal since '02 but from a spectators perspective the track is it's best ever, great improvments. First hot day of the summer in the northwest, go jump in the Washougal river after the racing was over and then understand why you couldn't pay me to attend Pala or Hangtown. Perfect day!
I have to complain about something. Am I the only one who is tired of the 30 second board starter girls? I like hot girls as much as anyone, but these girls don't look hot, they look cheap. I'd rather see Sarah Whitmore with her huge sunglasses and her dorky ponytail in a pair of cut-offs and a tee shirt, maybe not hot, but cute and way more class.
I agree. It's not that they look cheap, precisely, they just dress tem so stupid. Those Rockstar dresses are gay, as well as the monster getup that you see out there. I'm more of the mind that they should just put them in bikinis and be done with it. It works in boxing.
Come on though, you wouldn't go watch racing because it's hot and there's no river nearby? Go watch supercross. At least you won't get all sweaty.
Sorry but I love the dresses and the make-up. I wish they had 50 more of them running around and umbrella girls like the road race guys.
does any one know when "Mr reality show" will came back to racing? im looking forward to see his a** kicked by #5. or how ever for that matter!! am i the olnly one that lost respect for the guy? he claims to be the fastest but he has being doing stupid stuff instead of racing. will see!!!!!!!!!
I agree JDub, more purdy girls! ;p I don't care what you say, that track looked awesome on the tv!!! As RV or someone mentioned it gets greasy, I'll take greasy over a blue grooved dusty track any day! Tha Pacific North West represented well. The racing was decent, K-Dub, Hahn, Metty, Wey and Sipes made it fun to watch!. I thought Regal would be up there, I don't think I even saw him...was he there? Tedesco??? Canard is OWNING the lites class, I dont think C-Pour has any thing for him. I love watching Wharton ride, he's pretty solid. Wilson too, he just needs to get focused early in the motos and let things unfold a bit and then make a cherge as he has the speed for sure.
Can we finally put to rest who should represent for MXdN? Short has the holeshot down and most importantly he is CONSISTENT. I'm not a huge fan of Short and I have no disrespect for the other guys but come on..... RD, TC, & AS; the results are undeniable.
kxguy324, relax man, JS7 has been injured, that's why he's not at the races. And so what if he has a gay reality show? You don't have to watch it. I can't believe people get that angry at Stewart because he's not at a race. You obviously hate the guy, so why would you even want him to show up anyway? Newsflash, RD5 isn't going to walk all over Stewart
theschneid7, your right on man. When someone is bugged so bad by the way someone else lives their life, it usually means they need to get a life of their own.
450 class is gettin pretty boring , when the 2nd moto looks like a replay of the first,,,cant wait to dilla when bubba comes and freshens things up, and hopefully lesson the number of doooosh bags cyber racers talking crap,, probably not,, as there seems to be no shortage of assnards even in mx,,bummer
Proof before post. Journalism 101.
After all the hype at the beginning of the season around that **** Alessi, is it wrong if I laugh every week I see him outside the top 10? He was suppose to be a title contender. bahahahahhaha
theschneid7, stewart is not racing due to injury. he is not racing cause he choose a supercross only deal so he can fool around in the "men's race" of outdoors. if he comes back is only becuse he wants to go the MXdN. if he walks in and beats #5 i will be the firts one to post a comment and admit it.
No mention of Tedesco or Townley. Anbody know? Thanks!
Don't worry JS will be back at Dilla since it is to be televised live on NBC and he needs to promote his reality show and try to get on the MXdNation's team. JS Entertainment has probably had this planned all the time so at least we will get to see him racing against the field.
Townley was mentioned, hurt shoulder in 1st moto-unknown extent. Tedesco I think wasn't even there, don't see him on qualifying sheets. Assume his injuries were not as healed as he thought as he pulled out of both motos in Millvile. Regal hurt himself either practicing at or before the event. Broken collarbone is what I heard.
I don't see how Bubble's can be picked for team USA the team is always announced at Loretta's. He is not even racing tell after if he comes back and has fitness i know he will have speed. The only reason i don't see him racing the denations is is it fare Short has been here all year he deserves the chance. It will be cool to see him back maybe he can hang with Dungey for more then half the race and we can get back to some great raceing. Off the bike for as long as he was i just dont see him having the fitness to stay there all race but i guess we will see! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to wonder, what are the Stewart clones basing his impending demolition of Dungey on? The fact that he has been hurt for 7 months and not riding? The fact that he hasn't ridden outdoor national MX since 2008? The fact that the last time he faced Dungey it was a close battle 6 months ago in SX, and before all this confidence Dungey has amassed? Or is it just that you clones think JS7 dooky don't stink? He may very well come back and whip everyone, but that will be an unlikley accomplishment after such a long layoff. The last time he raced national MX, Tim Ferry was 2nd in the standings. Short was 3rd. Mike Alessi was his closest "competition" until being used for traction at Red Bud. Look at the amazing K-Dub after a much shorter layoff with NO INJURY, 9-9 at Washougal with good starts and no Reed, Townley or Regal. Windham was right there in SX just 12 or so weeks ago. Stewart has been out 6 months. If Pourcel was coming off injury people would pencil him right in as winner in the 250 class, but look what kind of difference a few short weeks can make with what Canard is doing with some confidence. JS7 will not be facing the same Ryan Dungey he saw at round 1 and 2 in SX. And I don't think Dungey will be facing the same JS7 for that matter as he had 9 months to prepare for that meeting. Here he's been preparing for a few weeks. Will be good to see though, can't wait!
yzsean, I agree. Short is deserving of it, but they can wait longer this year since it's in USA and they don't have to worry about shipping bikes through customs, flights to Europe etc. I think we will see the team announced after Southwick to give Bubba 2 solid races to show what he can do. This is all being talked about behind the scenes I'm sure. Last year the team was announced August 2nd, so if Stewart is a consideration they can't announce it that early, unless they are going to assume he can do it (not smart to assume). Regardless of anything else, I still think Short deserves the spot and since that is what James based his lack of participation on last year, the more deserving rider should be selected.
I can't wait to see Stewart try and catch RD.. It is going to be great to see Stewart pushing hard on the edge..
not this **** again!!! MXDN is for us to send our BEST so we can beat the REST...it is not and never has been a prize for the guy that showed up and raced every weekend!!!!! Granted most of them have but there are always exceptions...if 7 shows anything, he should go because it is not about anyones hatred towards him, it is about not wanting to listen to the EUROS talk crap about beating us and if we send AS, RD, and TC...it could happen...
I initially said that Stewart should not be allowed to race the MXDN because of lack of participation even though it was possibly because of an injury( with a SX only contract and no injury would he have raced the nationals? ) But depending on when they select the riders if Stewart were to dominate lets say 3 nationals in a row it would be hard not to send him as the best to represent the US. I would guess that if Tommy Hahn caught fire and won 3 nationals in dominating fashion he would be considered.
Half" Who's to say that Bubble's will be better then Short he has been riding amazing. Kept RD within 10 sec. this week that's the best so far of any one! He's 2 in points and has been 2 in points more often than any one other then KW. I wont the best team we can have to but i feel Short deserves it unless Bubble's has the speed and fitness of years past and i am taking 2 to 3 years ago SEND SHORT! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
If James Stewart can beat Andrew Short, James should go......no brainer, nuff said!
Erin Bates sure knows how to insult a champion, while interviewing Dungey on the podium she shoves the microphone in his face and asked him what he is going to do at Dilla when "The fastest man on the planet returns" ..... jeeez! what a freekin insult! Dungey do all of us a favor and shove that out of date comment right up James`s ass.
Hell, If RC4 came back for one race and beat Shorty, RC should go, get it? Puting in the time does not get you a spot, being faster and being able to get better results will get you a spot!!!! It doesn't have anything to do with reality tv shows, SX only contracts etc. etc. etc. Whomever betters Team USA's chances of winning the title has first option...bottom line!
fancypants, agreed as I stated above although it would have to be more than just 1 race.
Love the same day race coverage but why all the BS? The race is over and theres still 20 mins left just for rider interviews. Tommy Hahn rode his butt off for 3rd, almost passed shorty for 2nd and they never let him get a podium speech to plug his sponsors. He needs this, he's a privateer. they interviewed metcalfe, he finished 5th. WTF??? As for shorty, He's consistant, smooth, good starter, but has no fight and rides like its the 90's still. Can he not scrub a jump. Dungey passed him both moto's simply by scrubbing. Dungey had a 30 second lead on short... do we really want short to represent team usa at the des nations? the JS7Entertainment crew has had this planned all along. Have stewey come out absolutely in shape and swinging to dilla and clean house so he and his camara crew can go to the des nations and kill it there too. He doesn't like the des nations because it doesn't pay, but with a reality show filming, it pays a huge dividend. Its time for Deano to start making points on trey and CP. go deano
This isnt rocket science, Stewart will return just as fast as he was before he was injured/TV show. When he shows up at the track he WILL BE a threat to challenge Dungey. Does ANYONE on here think that Short is faster than Stewart?? or that Stewart forgot how to ride in 6 months? Dont be stupid. He is also a former national champion that gives him the nod for the team as well. The team should be Dungey as team Captain, Stewart, Canard. That will be our best chance against a strong team France of Pourcel, Musquin, Paulin. Your welcome for the education.
BKR, I have to wonder who the "clones" are that you are referring to talking about a Stewart "demolition" of Dungey??? Seriously you hypocrite "hater", tell me which poster above claims that JS is gonna come in and demolish Dungey!!! You just look for any reason to bash Stewart OR anybody who says a good thing about him, you are a piece of work!!! I love your ambiguity and how you cover your butt with this line.."He may very well come back and whip everyone, but that will be an unlikley accomplishment after such a long layoff"....with that statement you take on the role of both a Stewart "clone" and a Stewart doubter!!! Nice!! I definitely do not know what to expect, i just look forward to watching him ride again, plain and simple. You tell me elsewhere to "stifle" my "James vs.Reed nonsense"....WELL, maybe you should try and "stifle" your James vs. ANYBODY nonsense!!!!! So, please do not respond without pointing out who the Stewart "clones" are who speak of a JS demolition of Dungey.....i cant find them on here!!
Thanks for the reality check "johnnyohannah".... whether people like JS or not, your post makes sense!!! My only caveat is that if he comes back and cannot get better results than Short, Andrew should go!
When JS7 rides again he "Obviously" will be just as fast as he always was, Dungey is leading in points, he knows he DOESN'T have to beat Stewart at the next 4 rounds, Stewart on the other hand has nothing to lose and can push his limits a little further to beat Dungey, Short or whoever and make himself look like the star he was, Im not a Stewart hater, I want to see him race like everyone else but the next few races will be nothing more than JS7 showing everyone he is capable (or not) of representing the USA in the Nations. .... JoH, true RD+TC+JS7 looks good on paper...BTW shame Scotland doesn't have 2 more good riders...
Listen guys, wether you like Stewie or not, if he is 100% he will be up front or challenging for it. Period, he always has, why would now be any different. Is dungey faster than RC, no way, and Stewie was the only guy who ran with RC at all. Johnny-O, I dont think Pourcel is going to be as big a challenge as before. Canard is waxing him right now. Unless he runs the 450 and I think Dungey and Short/Stewie will take him. And guys, you know Stewie is supercross only. The onlyu reason he is coming outside is because he was out for all of supercross. Otherwise he wouldnt be anywhere near the track. Plus, he wants to do the Des Nations for his show. I said that when they announced the Des Nations in Colorado. He will do it for money and his show. If he shows he is the best one fine, but I dont like his reasons for doing it. Plus he never does well at the Des Nations either. I dont think he won a single moto in any Des Nations race.
I personally can not wait to see just how fast he is compaired to RD5. If he is as fast as he was before, (the last time he rode outdoors) he is a perfect fit! RD5, JS7, and TC38. BUT, I also believe he should beat EVERYONE to be selected. top 3-5 the, Shorty should be selected.. That said I do trust the MAN to pick the best team, he always does!!!
"bd" how the hell do you know what Stewarts "reasons" are for wanting to race and go to the Des Nations??? You dont!!!! You are speculating!! By the way, you are incorrect on something else, Stewart won the first moto in 2008 at the MXDN, and he went 2-2 at the 2006 MXDN. You call that "not doing well"??? WHATEVER!!!
it seems like whenever "HOLLYWOOD" get's involved with mx, reality just isn't quite "REAL" enough. Maybe Jessica Alba will show up as Bubba's teammate and they will run 1 and 2 until Alba has to backflip out of "gravity cavity" and shoot at hitmen on black motorcycles hired to stop stewart from beating team nami and exposing their evil plan.That would be good for the show AND the sport.
"bd200"...Your philosophy of (RD not being as fast as RC, and because Stewart ran RC's pace back in 07, he is therefore faster than Dungey) just sounds foolish. The variables can't even be compared on the same plane. IF, and I say IF Stewart still has the speed that kept him in the company of RC, then yes, I say he will run with Dungey. BUT, to assume he is going to have that same speed???? Why would anyone assume that? He's 24 years old (not over the hill by any means), but when you crash with the consistency that Stewart has over the course of your career, it can change you not only physically, but mentally as well. I've broken my fair share of body parts in my life, and let me tell you, it HURTS, AND it can be mentally demoralizing. The older you are, the worse it tends to be. After an injury that has kept him on the sidelines for nearly 7 months, I think it is VERY possible that Stewart will come back with just a fraction less speed. Where will that leave him?....HUMAN!!!
And speaking of tards one1five, why is it when Dungey wins it's a gift yet we're constantly reminded of how stewarts perfect season against a depleted field makes him the fastest man on the planet. Who did HE beat? carmicheal? no. reed? no. grant? no. villopoto? no. townley? no. windham? no. Even langston, the defending champ from 2007 ? ( from which stewart dropped out )no. If you haven't noticed , all the talking is coming from stewart fans while dungey is winning races. I hope he does beat dungey at unadilla because "fans" like you are running out of things to be right about.
I've been a JS and RV fan for a long time and I wish they were in the hunt. But they're not. And now Reed's out. Dungey is obviously faster or more fit than Short. Grant is inconsistent. Alessi is...well Alessi and he's on an underpowered bike. I'm getting tired of all the "what if" comparisons. What about Reed winning the outdoors last year when all the fast guys were gone? I didn't hear nearly as much crap about that as I'm hearing about Dungey this season. Is it just that he's so methodical that it's boring? I say good for him and I hope that he kicks everyone's ass next year just to prove a point.
2010 Trophy DE Nations would Rock if it were RD, JS, TC. I'm not a JS Puppet fan at all but i want the US to come out hammering!! My original pic was RD, TC, KW but I think Windham needs to work on his conditioning a little more and I'm a big KW fan! So let's see how the Puppet runs in the last couple of Nationals and go from there! Roger D. please tell him to leave his "Freak Show" at home for the De Nations! Hard to do since it's on American soil! I would have to say the Fastest Man on the Planet is RD & TC for now! Trey Cannard for President!
Lol RD can't handle JS. JS will go 1-1. Watch it happen at Dilla.
Just remember that the last time Dungey and Bubble's were on the same track A1 Dungey was leading almost the hole race sould have won that one. And the next round be beat him straight up then Bubble's crashed out witch he seam to do alot. Dungey is only getting faster from racing were Bubble's has not i guess we will see what happens in 2 weeks. I hope there is some great racing it has been getting boring as of late and i wont to see some great racing! DUNGEY RULES!!!!!!!!!!
I know where they were, the point is there were no " BIG NAMES" ....ACE. And waiting for the best to retire isn't the same as beating the best, except in your mind apparently.
How many of you F-ing turds actually believe the crap that is coming out of your own mouths? Dungey is beating everyone that shows up to race. That makes him the best/fastest/greatest/whatever you wanna label him. He is winning. If stewart shows up and wins, great he won a race but until then shut it. And keep in mind RC didn't beat Hannah. McGrath Didn't beat Howerton. And Reed didn't beat Ward. So by your logic they all suck. That being said as far as I'm concerned none of you have ever beat me so you all suck too
Awesome stuff, where do you even start with this? Stewart went 24 for 24 in 2008, incredible accomplishment! It's 2010! Look at the top 10 from 2008. Ferry 2nd, Byrne 4th, Cody Cooper 5th, Wey 6th, JEFF Alessi 8th! Mike Alessi was running 2nd basically uncontested until he crashed. Does 2008 have any bearing on 2010? Short and Alessi (Mike) are the only 2 top 10 finishers in '08 that are running top 10 this year. Jeff Alessi can't score a point this year, he was 8th in 2008! So we'll see how The Fastest Man on the Planet does come Unadilla. I agree that it was pretty obnoxious to ask Dungey that question on the podium. RC is the GOAT but I'm not sure how he came up in this as any point of reference. Do people think he could come out and beat Dungey right now as well? Are some people giving Dungey the asterisk treatment now? D Cole, that was funny....and true.
whatever, once again you assume that all rhetoric has to be confined to previous posts in the small list of posts above the one we make. So I can't comment on things that are ever happening in the entire MX-World? There are myopic fans everywhwere that are watching one video of James practicing (in which he looks rusty and out of sync) and then posting stuff like "Dungey better stock up on tissue now!" and other such "clever" comments saying how badly Dungey is going to get whipped by Mr. Stewart. To all JS7 clones: If I didn't know better, I would think Stewart is a super hero and does not have to deal with normal reality like the rest of the world does. Apparently, he can take off 7 months from being a world class athlete and have no ill-effects from it. Impressive! I was wondering at this same time, Lance Armstrong won the 2005 Tour de France. Strange that he could only finish 3rd in 2009 and 23rd this year. By the logic being used here with Stewart, he should be able to come right back and dominate that race. Maybe Greg LeMond could? I guess it only applies to Stewart though.
My Washougal experience was the most intimidating, humiliating experience of my life. Being from Canada I didn't know it was legal to taser and bully people for minor reasons. Its a shame because my family and I enjoyed coming down to the races and the fans are some of the coolest people I've met. Black eye for the town and the sport in my opinion.
Not something I've ever said before but....I agree with DCole.
one1five, you mean Pala...or Steel City. I just think you meant the last round which isn't Steel City.
You Yanks, your all funny buggars.........dumb.....over-opinionated......but funny......... JS7, Bubba, Bubbles....how many nicknames can one show-boating has-been have? Wether he comes back and wins is of little consequence, whenever that may be, as a reult of his on track antics (James IS a sook) and that dumb reality show the guy has lost the respect of any civilised mx fan.
smartymx i'm not sure i like your tone
One more question, since Alessi kinda ran with Stewart in '08 does that translate to 2010? So with that in mind I guess Stewart will finish like....5th?....about 15 seconds ahead of Mike? That just shows the ridiculous concept of trying to compare 2008 to 2010. Hmmmm, I just thought of this.......Langston won the title in 2007......
And if Stewart finishes 15 seconds ahead of 800, that would put him around 22nd or 23rd probably. Haha, someone had to say it
Hey, the night owl is back. I kinda agree with O'Hannah on the fact that JS7 has'nt forgotten how to ride in 7 months but could be rusty at racing pressure. Training laps and racing motos are different, he's never had a break from it that was this long. One thing I've found out through my past, is early career injuries can make you ride smarter& smoother if you allow youself to use the experience to your advantage. I was a fast spastik 15 yr. old and I got hurt ALOT, rode better,faster & smoother in my 30's ( some of it was better bikes) I still think I'm a smarter rider now that I'm in my 50's. JS7 maybe will learn some smoothness from this break in the action. Can you imagine a JS7 with KW14 calculated flow? No better a motivator than PAIN. Gonna be an AWESOME Unadilla!
hey ONE1FIVE.........i remember Stewart beating not just Alessi but everybody by at least 15 seconds at least by that much so when your saying putting him around 22nd or 23rd i hope your joking cause if not your an idiot. Dungey is fast but i would have to say that Stewart and Villipoto would still beat him at a national. "Someone had to say it"
DCole, what is it about my tone that you don't like? It was one of YOUR comments that got me thinking how dumb some of you Yanks are........and some of the comments since have just rammed home the point.......
This is a total joke!!!! If you dont like Stewart, you bag on him and discredit what he has done and what he may do in the future, if you think he is superhuman( i dont), you might prematurely declare victory at Unadilla......BKR, i see ONE post on here where someone claims a Stewart rout.....only ONE....so shove all your "clone" comments back down your throat and plug the source of all your delusional, made up in your head "JS is gonna stomp Dungey" theories that obviously haunt you!!!! A couple people "somewhere" talk smack about his return and your undies get pulled all tight around your junk!!! Jesus H.....let the guy come back and F---ing race and let it be what it will be!!!! If he wins he wins...if he finishes 5th or 25th so fricken be it...........This supposed JS "fanatic" simply looks forward to watching a great rider once again compete in a damn race......just to see him ride.....NO EXPECTATIONS!!!
Blake, go back and read what BKR said right before me and think real hard how that joke might make sense. You'll get it little buddy, dont give up.
Mr. BKR, Lance Armstrong won 7 consecutive Tours and retired in 2005. After that he had cancer treatmet and returned from such a battle to be 3rd in 2009 Tour de France. That is after 4 years of gap at 34 years old. JS could easily come back swinging, he hasn't been out that long and also he is 10 years younger. I really think he has the chance to be a serious contender for Dungey. In any case JS-7 return will be a really good thing for the sport and whether many like it or not he will refresh the sight of an uncontested Dungey. If he proves to be faster than the rest of the field he should go to the MXON and he has four races to prove it. Short is a really good rider but for some reason is not able to put it together against Dungey. Again, the key for RD's success this year so far is his fitness, he is able to run faster for a longer period of time. The "RC's handbook to crush the competition" manual is not available for everyone. RD is a good disciple of RC's.
Just an fyi, moto0619: Armstrong won all his TdFs AFTER his cancer treatment. He's now 38 (almost 39). You are correct, though, that a comparison between him and Stewart is pretty much nonexistent.
....you sly little devil you.....haha, still manage to get a dig in.
So what happened to Grant Moto 2 seemed like he was charging and then dropped of the chart?
I think Stewart has raced a total of 4 times in the last 14 months. Zero Outdoor MX in almost 2 years. I'm not saying he can't possibly win at Unidilla but it sure seems like a reach. There are plenty of posts in past threads guaranteeing a 1-1 sweep from Stewart. Those magic 8 balls some of you shake for life's answers aren't really that accurate. If he does win Unidilla he is super-human. If he doesn't we'll see the excuses fly.
Enough of the uncontested B.S. There are 39 other riders on the line every moto to contest RD. If Stewart was there-- blah blah blah. If RV and BT didn't wad themselves up all the time blah blah blah. Every sport and every championship on this planet is affected by injuries and mistakes throughout a season. I have yet to see an asterisk explaining any "what ifs".
Coming from someone who obviously leans to the side of disliking the guy, so be sure and consider that. Just because you say there have been plenty of posts doesn't make it true J-dub!!! I have not seen many at all and the reaction to them is over the top. Riddle me this "dubya".......your prediction on what the reactions will be to Stewarts performance appear to represent only your speculations on what the JS fanatics will say ( he's god if he wins and surely there is an excuse if he doesn't right?) Ok, then what is a level headed, unbiased (ha) fella like your self going to have to say in regards to either of those outcomes??? Just curious!!
Comparing James Stewart to Lance Armstrong? That is rich!
I clearly stated-- " If he does win Unidilla he is super-human." I never said a single word about the "fanatics", I said the excuses would fly and I suppose they will come from the fanatics. I have also stated countless times I'm not a hater but I do think he has wasted his God given talents and chance to rewrite the record books. Just my opinion. I won't say anything to either outcome at Unidilla because I have no idea what might happen. My 8 ball won't give me a conclusive answer no matter how many times I shake it.
Why hasn't BillC chimed in to tell everyone what a crappy passer Dungey is? Afterall he only passed a few riders this last race.
In 2003, ricky ended the outdoor season, and went straight into knee surgery, then skipped the following sx season, and came back on a completely different bike (honda 4-stroke), after 6-7 months off, and decimated the competition anyway, going 24-0 (for the 2nd time). So for riders of r/c or js caliber, it can be done. Just a thought.......
I just think that it is so cool that we get to have this discussion about JS and RD. The 450 series is getting kind of boring. I can't wait for Unidilla!
JS is without a doubt one of the most talented riders to race MX and SX. The speed and skills he has demonstrated are clearly remarkable and when he's on it and in control any racer would have to be on their 'A' game to challenge him. That being said the issues I have with him being considered, should his outdoor results warrant, for the MXdN USA team are based on his racing career the past couple of years. He seems to be injury prone, he has had difficulty (I'm sure in part due to injuries) getting physically prepared, the majority of his focus does not seem to be on racing and I question his heart and motivation to be on team USA. It would be a shame to have him chosen for the team and then get injured right before the race (I know there would still be an alternate but they usually are not preparing mentally or physically the same) or come to race not fully prepared mentally and physically to win it or be more concerned with the filming for his reality show than demolishing the competition. Maybe he will come out to these last 4 races and alleviate those concerns but with JS until I see it my money's still on Dungey, Short and Canard. Just my 2 cents.
whatever, I said it last year when they announced that the Des Nations would be in the states. That Stewie would be back for a few Natiuonals just so he could run the Des Nations. And he will have his little film crew filming for his stupid show. Its true and you know it. Lewsid1, If you think Stewie lost all his speed since Anaheim 1, then you are foolish. And I would bet every penny I ever owned that Dungey is nowhere near as fast as RC ever was on the 450. If you think he is, then you just made another foolish anology. And Whatever, no matter what you say about Stewie, everyone takes with a grain of salt, because you will defend him no matter what. SMARTMX, you are calling Americans dumb, nice as#hole, but you should learn to spell first, you just made an AS@ out of yourself.
Also, guys like stewart and carmichael have been racing the outdoors since they were 3 - 4 years old, so it is implausible to think that they will forget how to ride fast, just from missing a season or two. And, he has some real killer tracks in his backyard, which also helps out a lot. Dungey would be foolish to bang bars with him, even if he does have the speed to do it, with the rookie season championship on the line. Do you remember when cp tried to entice him into a battle at the end of the 250F season, he would have no part of it. I think Decoster will teach him well, as to how to handle it this time.
ELF... excellent points!
You are full of dung "bd"!!! I do not defend him "no matter what"!! Not true at all, im looking forward to watching the guy ride again, regardless of his results. If he goes out and proves he is as prepared and capable as any of the other riders being considered for MXDN, then he should go....if he doesnt do that,, he shouldn't go. He said the exact same thing on his podcast last week!! I still disagree with your conspiracy about his motivation for the MXDN......IF he does end up doing it, and IF the film crew is there to capture it.....so what??? Who cares?? If they capture it on "film" it does not mean that it was his reason for wanting to be there....let go of it!! I noticed you didn't own up to your foolish and incorrect statement about his past performance at MXDN.....no surprise!! Also, before you criticize the spelling skills of others, you should proofread the post you call them out in!!
I worry about you people. Stewart will do what he always does at Unadilla: fall down and hit his head.
I think everyone's underestimating Dungey. You know he's training at Carmichael camp and most likely getting a few rides in with RC. But beyond that he's only been running the pace he need's to be able to win races. Everyone say's he's boring to watch ride because he's so methodical and seemingly in control. I don't think we've seen his full potential. There have been glimmers when he get's up front and throws down a couple of laps to build up a comfortable gap. I'm not saying he's RC or JS speed but I don't think he can be counted out of that group until/if we get to see him and JS7 go at it for the remaining rounds.
i think dungey will ride smart, and not engage in a battle until he has clinched this thing. Then with the few remaining rounds, he should turn it up and try to run with stewart, and try to beat him. Then he will have a big boost of confidence for A1, and also earn more of stewarts respect. But, I hope they dont take each other down and ruin the mxon.
Whatever.. I like your post's and I go on the record as not being a JS Puppet fan! I do agree lets see how he doe's at the last couple of Nationals & if he is prepared and throws some good results down than let him go to the DeNations! I have a hard time letting go of the whole film crew thing of being there or not but that's just me and your right who really cares? I'm just so (OLD SCHOOL) racing CMC in the 70's and going to Carlsbad for the GP's every year and we never made any money or had film crews follow us around back than at the CMC races we raced to race! Yes times have changed and you just have to roll with it but the puppet still won't be a fan of mine. By the way my 1975 CR 125 Elsinore that I raced CMC with still sits in my garage!
1975 CR125 Elsinore, sweeeet! I had a 1975 YZ125C, the first 125 monoshock. Those were the good old days! Two strokes RULE! (at least in my dreams).....
75 YZ 125 that was the first year with the big coolers on top of the forks legs?? All that riding area gone...so sad!
A lot of prophets on here. All are guessing a 50/50 chance. Now what if someone else wins Dilla? ha. I know no one will. My guess is Stewie will get the hole shot and check out and RD will slowly catch him at the end of both motos and make it close.
Oh yeah, if Stewie lets RD stay near him with about 10 min. left, it will be good. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Oldschool....the 76' had the 'speedo and tach' forks, they were nitrogen chambers. My '75 looked exactly the same but without the forks. My best friend had the 75' CR125, and my other friend had a 75' TM125 (then a month after he bought it, they came out with the 75' RM125.) All had downpipes, only my YZ had an up-pipe. What riding area are you speaking of?
"bd200"...Try to follow me this time. 1st,I don't know what it is about peoples opinions and feeling the need to repeadedly use absolutes by using words such as "All", "Never", "Always". etc. I said nothing close to the statement that Stewart had lost ALL his speed. What I actually said whas this; "I think it is VERY possible that Stewart will come back with just a fraction less speed". His ability to come back fully has little to do with a forgotten ability to ride a motorcycle fast, and more to do with the pain of repeated injuries and the emotional agony that can cause a racer to slow down just a "fraction" as they age. 2nd, again bd, try to follow the words. I made NO comparison between RD and RC. Where you got that is beyond me. What I said was this; Your philosophy of (RD not being as fast as RC, and because Stewart ran RC's pace back in 07, he is therefore faster than Dungey) just sounds foolish. The variables can't even be compared on the same plane. Mention of RC was in reference to racing Stewart back in 07, not whether RC was faster than Ryan Dungey. Perhaps you try and read too fast by skimming my posts. If so, slow down and actually read what I post before you respond by defending yourself from things I didn't actually say.
Lewsid1, I think that you are right about some riders slowing as they age, for the reasons that you have stated, and it makes perfect sense. However, I dont think stewart is one of those riders. He is only 24, and I have heard him say that he is not afraid to 'go fast, fall down, get up and go fast again'. Look at how many injuries he has suffered in his career already, and none of them have slowed him down at all. I once read a magazine article, while he was still on the 125's where he said "I'll die before I let ricky beat me!"....That is his mindset, maybe not too bright, certainly not the best approach to winning championships, as the records prove, but his ego is way too big to have him slowing down for ANY reason. If anything, I think he feels like he has something to prove to everyone, with all of the attention focused on ryan dungey right now. But, these next few races will not prove anything, as dungey attempts to secure the title. After that we may be in for a real show, lets hope so.....
Elf, you just proved my earlier point. Doesn't anybody think he will crash at Unadilla? What are the chances of him finishing both motos? What are the chances of him finishing practice? Media Day?
smartymx first of all I think I made a good point with my comments, so suck it. And second of all if you have such a bad oppinion about us yanks why do you bother to interact with us? Stick to your Euro websites, crap chat about your own series. Talk about Desalle and Cairoli and bad teeth, whatever you want. Just don't bother doing it here. No one cares.
Peeps, I think you are exaggerating a little bit here. Its true that he does crash, but at unadilla 2010, it will be his first race back from his sx injury. To get injured again so soon, would be over the top. In the 125 class, he only suffered one major injury, when he launched himself over the bars at vegas and broke his collarbone (after he had already clinched the title). He DID win 28 consecutive motos on the 125. But r/c commented back then, that if he trys to ride a 450 like he rides that kx125, it will put him on his head. And that is kind of how it is with him on the 450, he bends the laws of physics one too many times, and pays the price. Very amazing and exciting to watch, but unfortunately, he will get hurt again, eventually. Even if he does fall at unadilla, he could still win the race, he has done that before. Let him ride, and lets see what happens, I don't think he crashes THAT often.
D.Cole you did make some fine points with that original post. It looks like my reference to Lance Armstrong was very misconstrued by several people. I brought it up to show that what someone has done in their past does not necessarily translate to the present. It was in response to Stewart being 24-0 in 2008, which has what to do with 2010? In no way was any comparison between Lance or James made. Another point some are making......which Lewsid1 has responded to both fairly and logically. No one said Stewart forgot how to ride in 7 months. No one is saying he is going to fail to qualify or run 40-40 and get lapped. As Lewsid1 said, the only thing any "detractors" have been "so insulting" to say is that maybe, just maybe James has lost a step in all that time off. The question is will he be able to beat the current dominating points leader with almost no prep time, which is a VERY valid question. I think it is way more insulting to Dungey to say not only can't he beat a prepared and healthy Stewart, but he can't even beat an unprepared and healing Stewart.
I am neither a stewart lover or hater, just an observer. But I just thought of something....what the heck is he going to be riding outdoors, if L&M is sx only? Last time he raced outdoors, he was still on team kawi. Is he racing his sx yammie modified for the outdoors?? Anyone know whats going on with that???
Also, it might not even be about speed. How about fitness? Stewart might be just as fast as ever and not lost any step at all (not likely). He might prove to be faster than Dungey. Can he go 30+2 though (twice)? Being faster for 20 minutes isn't what all this conversation is about. It's about who people think will take the checkered flag when it flies. So that isn't 7 months for Stewart, that's since September 2008....the last moto he ran. Looking back at SX he did look like he came in very rusty and possibly two steps down, not one. He had only been preparing for that since May 2009, though. There is no substitute for being out there racing. But I'm sure with these few weeks of being back on the bike Stewie will be good to go. After he beats Dungey he should hop on his plane and go plug that oil leak in the Gulf while his cape is still in place; wait a minute....why does he even need a plane?
Elf846, I disagree on one point. Regardless of what Dungey or anyone else does, they will not earn James' respect. We saw enough of what he has had to say about the GOAT when he was getting beaten by him repeatedly and it was either trash talk, or silence. I would love to see one quote that has any inkling of respect towards RC from him if anyone can find one. I can find many RC quotes showing respect for James, just can't recall any in return.
BKR, I don't remember any trash talk from stewart towards carmichael, I always thought they got along pretty good. (Now, Reed and stewart is a different story....) If anyone can find those quotes, I would like to be reminded of the trash talk. I think that if I had heard any trash talk towards ricky, then I would be a bubba hater, but I'm not, so I don't remember hearing it. correct me if I am wrong here....
I dont EVER want to hear that BKR dude bad mouth me about being a biased Stewart fan again!!! He spends all of his time on here taking digs at, and knocking down just about anyone who states an opinion of Stewart that ruffles his feathers. Obsessed much???? Im not sure at all that it will happen, but if JS does go out and win i hope BKR is willing to sit down at the table for a nice dinner consisting of his own stinky foot!!! You're a total **** when it comes to anything involving Stewart, thats all cool, but just back off on your lame ass comments about Stewart "clones" and s h i t.......you need a little therapy for the Stewart chip you have on your shoulder!!! BRING ON THE LAST FOUR RACES!!!! Im ready to enjoy watching......some will be proven right, and some proven wrong.......i'll just be a satisfied fan, come what may!!!
...oh, and im gonna work on digging up examples of James showing Ricky some respect......because they do exist......i know for a fact!!! What a ridiculous accusation to make.....but then again im not too shocked!!
Lewsid1, I wuz wrong...stewart DID back off when he needed to, actually. He did it with Everts, Villopoto and Reed. So, he knows how to ride smart when he has to... I just meant, that when he is not protecting a points lead, or clinching a title, or trying not to blow it for team usa, he is going so fast, that it catches up with him eventually, as he tries to do super-natural things with the motorcycle. Do you remember that outdoor race, with r/c on his tail , when he dove into that deep, rutted berm, and the rear end came up, and over his head, just from the G-forces? Who's ever done that? You dont get hurt in slow corners like that, but a similar 'stretching' of the physical envelope, on a hi speed jump, or whoop section, and the season is over. But, that's what makes him so exciting to watch.
Tool-ever, you find those examples because I tried and it's a waste of time looking. I remember the crap he was saying when he moved up to the 250's. That is what turned me off to Stewart back in 2005-2006-2007. He was getting beat and didn't like it and said some real disrespectful things in regards to it in after race comments. That's all. The sick thing is that I used to really like James and those years were where he lost me. RC stayed way above it which is to his credit, and you can find quote after quote of him giving Stewart all kinds of props, in the first 5 minutes of searching. RC is lucky he wasn't permanently injured when Stewart landed on him at Unadilla that year, yet he still talks the guy up and raises James' arm after races where they had good battles. Class.
I remember mikey800 was doing the 'believe the hype" thing at that exact time, when bubba was set to move up, and EVERYONE was pissed at him, cuz him and his dad said some REAL disrespectful things... Bubba said "he better come and git some liciuos'... You are right about about him landing on rickys back, but he got the worst end of that one. He bounced off the ground like a rag doll, and didn't move for like 20 seconds. He has done some dumb stuff, but I don't hate him. I don't hate any of the riders, i LOVE motocross.
ELF..You need to go out a buy another 1975 YZ 125. :)
oldschool.......you know where i can find one? I only paid a grand for that thing, and raced it for 3 years, before i got my 1978 RM125, which was an even more awesome bike. They don't make em' like they used to...... to me, all the bikes look the same nowadays, just different colors. A 1975 CR125 doen't look ANYTHING like a 1975 YZ125 which doesn't look ANYTHING like a 1975 RM125, husky, bultaco, maico, they all had their own very unique look, and you could tell what it was from 100 yards away. Now you have to read the side of the engine cases, with all the graphics and aftermarket plastic and stuff. I get more of a hard on for those old bikes than I do for the new ones. you could be blindfolded and sit on a CR and a YZ and tell them apart just by blipping the throttle. The four bangers all sound the same..... I predict that the 2-strokes will come back....the four strokes are just a passing FAD.
is it just me or does Ping look like a chubby Lt. Dangle from Reno 911? LOL!!!