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PrintThis was an off-weekend for the American Motocross tour, but there were some very interesting things going on in Europe. The Grand Prix of Germany at Teutschenthal provided a glimpse of what's going on over there in the MX1 class, as it’s doubtful we will see another cameo visit by Clement Desalle to the Lucas Oil AMA Motocross tour since he’s in a battle with Tony Cairoli and Steven Frossard for the world title. Desalle also has a shoulder injury, which has allowed the Red Bull KTM of Cairoli to ease away from him in the standings.
Dungey seems like an obvious choice for the MXoN team.
Photo: Andrew Fredrickson
However, the big winner in Germany was another surprise: Russian Honda rider Evgeny Bobryshev, who, like Ken De Dycker last year, had the race of his career so far by sweeping both motos. Bobryshev, who scored his first overall podium at Glen Helen, became the first Russian rider since Gennady Moiseev in 1979 to win a Grand Prix.
And speaking of Glen Helen, there appears to be some confusion over the future of the struggling USGP, as the FIM released a schedule last week that did not include the U.S. round, replacing it with Mexico in May. But in a Cycle News interview, Glen Helen's Lori Bryant said the USGP was still a possibility, but maybe not until September of next year, if they can line up some U.S.-based riders and teams. (On Sunday morning, Youthstream announced that the 2013 GP would go to Teutschenthal rather than Glen Helen, as had been previously understood.)
So that leaves the 2011 MXoN at St. Jean D'Angeley in France as the one race to see who might be the fastest individual 450 rider on the planet right now. There are several very good candidates, led by Cairoli (Italy), Desalle (Belgium), and Steven Frossard (France) from that side of the Atlantic Ocean, plus AMA-based Ryan Villopoto and Ryan Dungey (U.S.), and of course Australia's Chad Reed. And then there are the wild cards: Bobryshev, German's Max Nagl, the possibly-healthy-by-then Trey Canard, New Zealand's presently sidelined Ben Townley, and the enigmatic Christophe Pourcel, who is back in Europe but still not riding anywhere near his speed or potential.
Cairoli currently leads Desalle in the MX1 class.
Photo: Ray Archer
Of course one race never tells the whole story, as we've seen argued many, many times in the past. But if all those guys show up healthy and ready to go for broke in France in September, it could be a battle for the ages.
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holehuh, yep, a week off is good for TC41
the des Nations is going to be burly. It's like our team could be too good to be true for our own good ya'know. It could be a Maggiori style massacre also.
RV, RD, BB...Killer!!
.Question who rides with the #1 plate?? Lets say RD wins the outdoor does he get it? or does RV? If RV wins the outdoors then for sure he does but if not....Hmmmm
Why can't you use the same logic for both?
Dungey+Villopoto+Baggett=MXDN total domination...........euros left to kick their can down the street with a tear in their eye :(
Wouldn't who ever rides the MX1 class have the number one plate?
Dude give RD1 the #1 and RV2 the #2 even if RV wins the championship cause RV loves the number 2. Remember Budds 2007? Ha imagine how much americas goin to dominate.
So no USGP and no MXDN for next year? To bad, because both would have been great to see. The FIM seems to have a little bit of a different flair to there races. I think the AMA should work together with the FIM to put 1 race together for the end of next year.
In a one-off winner take all event I put RV in the MX-1 class. Dungey is very consistent but not as aggressive as RV. In the event of a bad start, Dungey spends too much time following instead of barging his way through.
Just my 2 cents....
@ jairtime
FYI.....we have 5 fighter jets, 3 tanks and a Sub in dry-dock up here so don't think it'll be a cake walk!
Why is there any debate where or who the fastest riders are! Are you kidding me.
MXoN is the one opportunity in a year for the other countries to wish that a US rider will crash and then maybe they might win it... I guess in the same way the MXoN is an opportunity for every American to stress that there guys might crash. It's not even a real struggle..
Brap On.
haha jairtime that was classic!!
Why not have a AMA points race combined with an FIM points race as our 1st round. It would then attract alot more people and involvement. It appears the problem with the USGP is its poor turn out. Poor turnout equates to no money.
Is Pourcel having a mid-season burn out already? Would he be happy if someone rode the bike for him? So much talent and no heart. Wouldn't be great to walk into a perfect workplace everyday? As its already been said here, he is burning is bridges. Maybe he can out with Le JLaw, no? OUI!
Jairtime, You gringos might think you can come down here and take us over. We are all ready taking over your country by invasion with no shots fired......ha. ha.
Soon we have all your motorbike tracks..........ha. ha.
We have resources............we are ready, we have your jobs.........ha. ha.
Adios amigos
Send all the Canadian hockey players to fight it out with the Mexian drug cartels. Would be an all out bloody war but we could rid the world of hockey and drugs in one fell swoop.......
@jartime Have you been to Canada in January? Have you ever rode on studded tires.? Little dancers like yourself couldn't hack it. But everytime I come on here your writing somthing crazy and once in while pretty funny. At least we can agree that JS7 is the best.
VIVA MEXICO, we veri fast down here, we wroost you Americans!
Vio conderous, or as you sai, yippee kayeeeaa
@jairtime, why not hold the MXDN in the parking lot of Home Depot, its like Mexico.
@jairtime - thank you, I've got a sh*t-case-of-the-Mondays and really needed that!
MXON 2011 Team USA:
RD 1
RV 2
BB 57
Alternates:
MA 800 - should have endurance back by september
KW 14 - if he's willing
JB 17 - should be over mono by september
MXON 2011 Team USA:
RD 1
RV 2
BB 57
Alternates:
MA 800 - should have endurance back by september
KW 14 - if he's willing
JB 17 - should be over mono by september
@PEDRO What do you mean "no shots fired"? Read your local crime report.
they don't pick their numbers. the defending champion country gets 1,2 and 3. MX bike gets #1 Lites bike gets #2 and Open bike gets #3. RV and Dungey would be either 1 or 3. Bagget would have 2 if those are the riders chosen, which would be likely seeing how they kick ass.
@ Ripdown The question remains. Do you have insurance for those vehicles?
Adios airtime ! I warned you.................................Sheriff don't play.
JD
Not to be a pointer outer, but RD and RV wouldnt be wearing #1 and #2 unless one of them is breaking out a two fiddy for the race. #1 goes to MX1 #2 goes to MX2 (250) and #3 would go to our MX3 ( second 450) guy.
MXDN for USA=
James Stewart
Barcia
J-Law
Say what you want, but it would be fun to watch
Why do you yanks insist on calling your opposition in the MXON, the Euro´s? You aren´t taking on Europe. The contest is against individual countries like Belgium with a population smaller than your city of New York.
If you really want to take on the Europeans, let´s get it on, you know, like the Ryder cup in golf where you get your arses handed to you almost every year. LOL. Trouble is, that would be a fair contest and you´d get your butts kicked more often than not, and then you wouldn´t be able to strut around telling everyone how you rule the world of MX..
I hate to break it to you guys, even though you have some fine riders in the USA, they aren´t as good as the cream of the non Americans. Think I´m wrong?.
Er, just remind me again who´s leading the 450 premier class in the AMA again? I seem to have forgotten. LOL.
padre pedro why spaniards, mexicans, and portugueses are so bad on mx bike? maybe because they have the same chicken-thiefs mentality than you :)? sorry for my bad English
little jose, "viva mexico" for what? really
Mikes partially right that if we were to compare Europe to USA it would be a much fairer match up, but if that was the case then you'de take Cariolli, Desault and Roczen and they would probably be the Europe team competing. They still wouldn't stand much of a chance against Villopoto, Dungey and Bagget right now!!!! Second, all the best riders in the world know that the US Supercross and Motocross is where the BEST are at which is why Chad Reed has spent basically his whole pro career here.
BYE BYE!
@mike. wrote. Er ,just to remind you we won the last SIX and twenty of the last 30 mxdn. Or have you forgotten. Seems like some of our fine riders do ok. Just hope and pray we don't send RV RD and BB. ........Or Havoc7, Canard, Barcia, Windham Alessi Shorty etc etc etc.
I'm assuming Jairtime got bounced for a post on the proposed Mexican G.P.?
There are a few (hundered) problems with Mike's proposition: 1) Who would keep the Chamberlain Trophy IF the euros did win it? 2) You think getting the AMA unscrewed is tough? Try getting a dozen podunk mini-administative authorities to come together to make that anywhere near a reality. 3) Going Europe vs USA would mean alterating between U.S. & Euro tracks, allowing Luongo's Youthstream an every-other-year opportunity back in the gate. Ask MX sports for a show of hands of how many would like that to happen. 4) The political climate (of racing admin. authorities) would have to have to be cleared for this to happen. About as much chance of that happening as the U.S.s' political machine becoming uncorrupted overnight. 4) Would the traditionally stronger Belgians, British & French even agree to this???
Still, if it brought interest (code word- $$$) to the series, I'm not against it. We still know the euros would face an uphill battle. It's not like all the E.U. doesn't have to combine to compete with our scale of economy anyways.
My vote is to call it the DeCoster Cup.
The Des Nations arent going to be a cakewalk no matter who we send. For one the FIM is making it as hard as they can on the US. By waiting until the National schedule came out and then moving the Des Nations back a week, to make it harder for the US team to get thier bikes overseas and get them ready with sound testing and set-up and all. Its already one dirty move. And second, every Euro rider there are gunning for a US rider, especially at the start. They have the EuropeV/S US policy in thier mind. Too bad there is no country named Europe. But its the anyone but the US mentality. And I am thrilled that there is no USGP in the US now. Its just that Luongo character trying to get a foothold in the US. When the contract is up for MXSports to run the Nationals, Luongo is going to try and outbid them and take control. And the GP at Glen Helen was his way to get into the US.. We dont need him ruining our Nationals like he has the GP's. No purse money, and riders fees triple to what is paid in the Nationals. He is a clown, even the Euro guys agree with that.
The USA should field a team of Privateers. Roger and KTM will give them 350/250 to race.
you clowns! your all guessing but I know we will smoke everyone! yes its true, RV loves to go when go time is required he feeds off the pressure so expect awesomeness during the nations and hold your breath YOU WILL BE AMAZED !!
The following quote is from the article ... and it is a good read because Coombs wrote it instead of one of the hacks.
" ... if all those guys show up healthy and ready to go for broke in France in September, it could be a battle for the ages."
My opinion is that the USA will need to put together the best possible team if they want to win it this year. I am thinking Dungey, Villo and Bags.
Any comments?
What Mike. said is interesting. Our country is much larger than European countries. I think to be fair they should change the rules and we should have to send teams based on which state the riders live in. We could send a Florida team. That means we could also send a California team.....no wait, Mike would say California is way bigger than most European countries...... We would have to split California into Southern and Northern California just to be fair................
Damn, looks like a possible podium sweep so far.
Hey, maybe we could send teams from every state....sure would be interesting.
@Mike
USA did totally destroy Euros at the 2007 MXoN and they could do it very well again this year. They had an almost perfect score with a 1-1-1-2-3. Has Europe had that good of an result?
If the US gets Hodaka to step up to the plate w/ a few bikes with desert tanks, no body touch em at the nations.
Meh. I think the US will win. But there could be some competition for moto wins from other countries. it seems far fetched that another country can deliver the 1-2-3 punch of the states at this time. But you never know, the Russians are coming!
@joemotocross589, I don't think the world is ready yet for a second coming of Hodaka Super Rats, maybe in the next life buddy. Besides that a real man would want to race a 501 Maico, one with 3 inches of travel and vibrates worse than an old washing machine at high speed spin cycle. So by the time he finishes the first moto, they would have to pry his hands off the handle bars. Lets bring back the Europeans for a retro Trans-AM series! Top world riders, 1 rider takes all for a World Crown. DC said he will flip the bill for all of it.
@PEDRO,
It seems the jairtime comments were censored because it would have hurt the feelings of the "mexicans". Gives you an idea of what Americans think of you "mexicans".
Yes, "mexico" has a lot of resources, but can you name one thing you created independently with those the resource in the last 10,000 years? No, of course not.
The only jobs "mexicans" have are cleaning toilets. How many "mexicans" engineers are there in Silicon Valley? Zero. Maybe 50% or so are Chinese. How can that be when so many "mexicans" live in California and "mexico" is next to California and China is an thousands of miles away?
Maybe "mexico" should hold the leaf blower world championship. "mexicans" seem to be gift left blowers.
This American would do just fine without the Mexicans AND Chinese. How about you both stay the hell in your own countries, and leave this one alone?
BD200, you are right about Luongo. He´s a bastard who has stuffed the GP´s up. Only Ciarolli makes a decent living, and that´s only because he´s Italian, and Youthstream (an Italian company) need him around, so they make sure he´s getting plenty.
Luongo´s excuse is, it´s not his job to pay the riders. He´s has a contract with the FIM to promote the series, which he claims he´s doing. It costs a GP rider 30,000 Euro´s to enter the series for 1 year, and there is zero prize money. No wonder guys like Roczen want out. Anyway, if it was a true W/C series and he was doing his job properly by attracting ALL the worlds top riders, then I couldn´t argue with him. Thing is, the top American boys aren`t stupid enough to fall for his crap, so he´s failing miserably in doing what he claims he´s doing, which is running a true world championship.
Until the series becomes financially attractive I really hope you Yanks keep giving him the finger. For gods sake, don´t let him have anything to do with your AMA series. That would be the death knell for the sport in the USA.
Having said that, there are rumours around that Red Bull are considering an alternative series which, because it will go back to paying riders to compete, as well as offer big prize money, it should be the end of Luongo´s crap. It won´t be able to be called the world championship, but who cares. It´s not really that now anyway.
The Red Bull World Series of MX has a nice ring to it, don´t you think?
BD200, you are right about Luongo. He´s a bastard who has stuffed the GP´s up. Only Ciarolli makes a decent living, and that´s only because he´s Italian, and Youthstream (an Italian company) need him around, so they make sure he´s getting plenty.
Luongo´s excuse is, it´s not his job to pay the riders. He´s has a contract with the FIM to promote the series, which he claims he´s doing. It costs a GP rider 30,000 Euro´s to enter the series for 1 year, and there is zero prize money. No wonder guys like Roczen want out. Anyway, if it was a true W/C series and he was doing his job properly by attracting ALL the worlds top riders, then I couldn´t argue with him. Thing is, the top American boys aren`t stupid enough to fall for his crap, so he´s failing miserably in doing what he claims he´s doing, which is running a true world championship.
Until the series becomes financially attractive I really hope you Yanks keep giving him the finger. For gods sake, don´t let him have anything to do with your AMA series. That would be the death knell for the sport in the USA.
Having said that, there are rumours around that Red Bull are considering an alternative series which, because it will go back to paying riders to compete, as well as offer big prize money, it should be the end of Luongo´s crap. It won´t be able to be called the world championship, but who cares. It´s not really that now anyway.
The Red Bull World Series of MX has a nice ring to it, don´t you think?
The MX Ryder cup like in golf is a good idea. Top 20 from WC and AMA would make a good race.
Same debate, different year. It is still a team event, and no country in the world can field a team strong enough to go head to head with the USA. What I do like is that its a motorsport event, and as we all know, luck also plays its part. Remember the race in the UK...about 3 years ago I think...France had that sown up if it was not for a mechanical..and that is when JS and co were competiting. I personally think nothing will come out of all this AMA and FIM crap. Both championships will continue and the top talent from the GPs will still go to the US.
If France really wanted to, they could field an amazing team...I see them as being the top 3 man team to trouble the US. Individual performances of Cairolli, desalle and rozken might even work out unfavourably for France...cause you can be guaranteed that if RV, RD and Bagget go...they will be fighting for the individual moto wins.
I already posted this in 250 words but.....
Since 1981 USA has won it 21 times in 29 years
We didnt send a team in 2001 and in 2004
The 7 we didnt win, I believe there were a few races we had some injured riders or top guys that didnt go. Of course we just got beat in a few moto's
But winning 21 out of 27 we attended is pretty dominant by any standard....just saying. Please check my facts just in case.
Leaf blower world championships!!! hahahahaha!
I know its "part of racing" but remember Dungey had a 25 second lead with 2 laps left at Freestone when he ran out of gas....that 25 points back and he is your points leader right now with 271 points to Reedys 268.
@MIKE, Yes your right, he has ruined a great series there in Europe in my opinion. Money is a big reason why the GP's lose some of the bet racers to come from Europe. And in my opinion its the riders who make the Nationals the best. The Euro riders would stay if they could make a good living there, and it depleats the GP's. depth. And we definately do not want Luongo over here running ours into the ground. Maybe Red Bull will be the saviour over there, and run him out. We can only hope..
Track conditions has been another reason for USA not taking it. In 97 it was Emig Dowd, Lamson finished 8th in Belgium. Then (it's hard to believe) in 98 Dowd Henry and RC finished 5th at Foxhill, but what I remember about that year was it rained and the track was muddy, then they watered it to make sure it was a mess. It was like a enduro race.
JS is the hardest rider in MX to pass, he farts soot.
@hank seefus -
I think what you saw was exhaust coming out the back of the bike. Honest mistake.